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The wacky adventures of President Juice and VP Goon Prospect could almost redeem the series. REDWOOD ORIGINAL
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Donny Brook posted:I hate to say it, but I would have been okay with Opie dying if he got to take Clay with him. See, Opie's death would have made PERFECT sense if he's gone out killing Clay, if he'd killed Clay and then met "Mister Mayhem" (I can not believe they show horned that in in season 5), or if he had somehow betrayed the club. His standing up for the club would have made more sense if he'd been there, 100% engaged in the episodes leading up to his death, instead of chopping wood. Basically, they straddled the line poorly and pissed every possible watcher off.
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Feb 7, 2013 08:42
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Opie's entire run on this show was just depressing. Everyone he cares about dies, leaves or changes on him and then he dies in a really stupid and meaningless way for a friend that probably eventually would have used him to save his own rear end anyway.
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Feb 7, 2013 09:49
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Opie's entire run on this show was just depressing. Everyone he cares about dies, leaves or changes on him and then he dies in a really stupid and meaningless way for a friend that probably eventually would have used him to save his own rear end anyway. Meaningless is the best way to describe Opie's death, and I remember at the time how hard Sutter tried to back sell it as an 'honorable, warrior's death.' Pretty sure that's a direct quote from an interview actually. lmao
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Feb 7, 2013 16:56
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1st AD posted:What is Kurt Sutter's deal? I try not to judge the show too harshly on it's treatment of women and minorities because of the setting and characters, but goddamn this is a really misogynistic and racist show. My "nope" moment came around the time that Tig called two (I think Salvadorean?) "jizz-buckets" (Tig's or someone's words) of his who burned alive when the black bad guys burned down the Son's arms depot refried beans. That was the pilot. I'm literally amazed anyone else kept up after that.
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Feb 7, 2013 17:57
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Opie's entire run on this show was just depressing. Everyone he cares about dies, leaves or changes on him and then he dies in a really stupid and meaningless way for a friend that probably eventually would have used him to save his own rear end anyway. It's a fitting commentary on the show itself. Mexcillent posted:My "nope" moment came around the time that Tig called two (I think Salvadorean?) "jizz-buckets" (Tig's or someone's words) of his who burned alive when the black bad guys burned down the Son's arms depot refried beans. That was the pilot. I think the problem is the show mismatches the tone a bit. They're a 1%er gang; they're supposed to be a bunch of irredeemable racists and misogynists in addition to career criminals. But they're also the lovable scamps who get out of their weekly pickle with Boss Hogg. Is this supposed to be a serious examination on the role of a criminal gang in preserving a small town from the encroachment of the modern corporate monoculture while slowly sucking the life out of it, or is it the A-Team on motorcycles? Sutter seems to jump back and forth between the two at random. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Feb 7, 2013 |
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Feb 7, 2013 20:31
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Mexcillent posted:My "nope" moment came around the time that Tig called two (I think Salvadorean?) "jizz-buckets" (Tig's or someone's words) of his who burned alive when the black bad guys burned down the Son's arms depot refried beans. That was the pilot. Oh, I remember that scene vividly. I don't mind it so much when it's one character that's repugnant, there's one in many shows, but in 5 seasons of this show Tig has managed to become among the most likeable simply due to other characters falling all over themselves to wring every last drop of stale sweat from Satan's loincloth on their souls. Chibs is about the only decent person left in Samcro with Unser being a sympathetic character as well (despite being total doormat); though Unser was chief of police that has since become the Sons bitch and has been terminally ill with cancer for what'll be going 6 seasons now. But your "nope" moment, which was something I originally construed as a trait for one particular character, in time revealed itself to be a trait of the head writer, producer and showrunner, Kurt Sutter; and it has since permeated to virtually every character on the show. At this point many of us in the thread are actively rooting for the antagonists because they're actually more likeable (i.e. less rotten) than the people we're intended to be siding with.
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Feb 7, 2013 20:58
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I don't think Juice is an awful person. He makes questionable choices as the result of internal turmoil. He's definitely out for himself, but he's mostly a decent human.
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Feb 7, 2013 21:06
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Juice has demonstrated several times that he'd sell anyone out to save himself, but within the context of the show he could feasibly be wearing a halo.
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Feb 7, 2013 21:17
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Getting rid of Hale was a huge mistake. He was the moral heart of the show that saw both the good and bad aspects of both sides.
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Feb 7, 2013 22:09
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Remember when Juice used to hack stuff? That was cool. Now he just cries a lot.
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Feb 7, 2013 22:24
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While we're picking apart the show, what's with all these bikers that aren't snorting coke like 24/7? It really takes me out of the moment that every scene doesn't start or end with someone's nose on a mirror.
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watt par posted:Is this supposed to be a serious examination on the role of a criminal gang in preserving a small town from the encroachment of the modern corporate monoculture while slowly sucking the life out of it, or is it the A-Team on motorcycles? Sutter seems to jump back and forth between the two at random. I first watched this show when I did a binge through it around November. Since then, I did another run through the series. What you just said here has made this show so much clearer. I wasn't sure what the gently caress Sutter/the show's problem was. But this, I think, nails it so perfectly. One episode can be pretty drat solid, i.e. the season 3 finale. Then another episode comes along and I find myself laughing at how loving absurd it is. See: Jax and Gaelen fist fighting outside of a barn before the Mexican cartel(C.I.A.  shows up). What the gently caress. And now we have a former U.S. Marshal/Green Beret to look forward to in season 6. Is Kurt Sutter trying to fit his every Mary-Sue/Stu ever into this show.
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Feb 7, 2013 22:47
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harlequin baby posted:
If I watch next season, it'll be purely out of my loyalty to Donal Logue (  Terriers) and to watch his character torment Samcro before 
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Feb 7, 2013 22:59
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harlequin baby posted:I first watched this show when I did a binge through it around November. Since then, I did another run through the series. What you just said here has made this show so much clearer. I wasn't sure what the gently caress Sutter/the show's problem was. But this, I think, nails it so perfectly. You watched the entire series twice in three months?
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Junkenstein posted:You watched the entire series twice in three months? Yes. I am pretty ashamed of myself. Though, to some extent, the second time around some episodes were more white noise on the other monitor than me actually engaged in watching it. I'm sure you all can parse which episodes those were. Ghostpilot posted:If I watch next season, it'll be purely out of my loyalty to Donal Logue ( I'll be watching the hell out of season 6. I think this is the only show I have ever hate watched. Then again, it isn't really hate watching when I find myself laughing more and more each episode at the most inappropriate moments. (Is that indicative of some sort of mania?) Then there is Season 7, which is rumored to have the Bilderberg group hiring the Sons for protection from Alex Jones. 
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Junkenstein posted:Getting rid of Hale was a huge mistake. He was the moral heart of the show that saw both the good and bad aspects of both sides. Anybody paying a little attention will note that the episode they killed Hale in was the very last time the show was consistantly good. a few minutes later, Jax is on his way to Ireland. gently caress you Kurt Sutter.* *From now on, I'm ending all my SoA posts with "gently caress you Kurt Sutter."
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Feb 8, 2013 06:14
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Donny Brook posted:Anybody paying a little attention will note that the episode they killed Hale in was the very last time the show was consistantly good. a few minutes later, Jax is on his way to Ireland. More opportunities to say "gently caress you Kurt Sutter." quote:FX has closed a deal to develop Lucas Stand, an action/horror drama from Sons of Anarchy's creator/showrunner Kurt Sutter and former Hell on Wheels showrunner John Shiban. No, it's not about motorcycle wheels. It actually follows the quest of a former special ops soldier who travels through space and time to kill demons. http://www.vulture.com/2013/02/fx-is-developing-a-new-show-from-kurt-sutter.html
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That sounds so ridiculous it may be entertaining. I guess pretty much like SOA.
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Feb 27, 2013 07:53
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solovyov posted:More opportunities to say "gently caress you Kurt Sutter." Just 'cuz I haven't said it in a couple of weeks: gently caress you, Kurt Sutter.
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Feb 27, 2013 18:16
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gently caress you Kurt Sutter. That show actually sounds pretty cool.
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quote:Jimmy Smits is set to return to FX‘s flagship drama Sons Of Anarchy, reprising his role as Neron “Nero” Padilla, a former gangbanger whose exit strategy is trumped by his partnership with Jax (Charlie Hunnam). Smits appeared in 12 of the 13 episodes from Anarchy‘s fifth season. He has now signed on to do all episodes from Season 6, which is shaping to be even more intense and volatile. Production begins in late spring for a September premiere. Emmy winner Smits, repped by UTA and Brillstein Entertainment and Tom Hoberman, is coming off a successful run in Motherf**ker With The Hat at Chicago’s Steppenwolf Theatre. On Anarchy, produced by Fox 21 and FX Prods, he is joined by Donal Logue, who also is coming back after making his debut on the show last season. Sons of Anarchy is the highest-rated series ever on FX, and its recent fifth season ranks as the series’ highest-rated yet with first-run episodes averaging 6.37 million total viewers and 4.35 million adults 18-49, a +16% increase in both categories vs. Season 4. Nero is officially back. Also how do the ratings for this show keep going up as the quality goes down?
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Nero is officially back. Also how do the ratings for this show keep going up as the quality goes down? 
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Nero is officially back. Also how do the ratings for this show keep going up as the quality goes down?  I DON'T WATCH TELEVISION TO THINK! Another prime example being The Walking Dead.
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rejutka posted:
The Walking Dead has actually been getting better (this latest episode is perhaps my favorite of the series). Not to say that it doesn't have its flaws (it has many) but I don't think compares as aptly as say...Dexter. But speaking of SoA, this article came up in my Twitter feed. Netflix Sends Message to Check on Customer Who Watched an Entire Season in One Sitting Sure it's an Onion article, but I'd believe it if it happened. 
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Mar 5, 2013 23:23
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Goons tend to exaggerate the downfall of shows a lot
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I don't understand how SoA can be the highest-rated show ever on FX when The Shield is a show they also had. Makes no loving sense.
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here's the sad truth of F/X - in terms of original programming, The Shield MADE F/X but it was practically the lowest rated show which aired on it's own network when it was producing new episodes. The other dramas of the time - with the exception of Lucky, which ran one season - all got better ratings.
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I just started watching this show on netflix. Finished the first season and it seems pretty awesome. But then I wandered into this thread, apparently the show sucks now? Bummer!
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Sanzuo posted:I just started watching this show on netflix. Finished the first season and it seems pretty awesome. But then I wandered into this thread, apparently the show sucks now? Bummer! What did you enjoy about the first?
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niethan posted:What did you enjoy about the first? I went in pretty much for Ron Pearlman. I am enjoying the "Sopranos only bikers"-style drama. Some things seem a bit silly and over the top but hey it's a tv show. Edit: Are people turned off because the characters are despicable people? Yea there is a lot of misogyny are racism in this show but I mean the show is about these scumbags, right? Sanzuo fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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Sanzuo posted:Edit: Are people turned off because the characters are despicable people? Yea there is a lot of misogyny are racism in this show but I mean the show is about these scumbags, right? No. I'd prefer not to spoil your enjoyment by providing details though.
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Sanzuo posted:I went in pretty much for Ron Pearlman. I am enjoying the "Sopranos only bikers"-style drama. Some things seem a bit silly and over the top but hey it's a tv show. No-one has a problem with them being dicks, the writing and motivation and the things that happen just get really dumb. But season two is still decent
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JohnSherman posted:No. I'd prefer not to spoil your enjoyment by providing details though. Don't worry about it! I was hoping to get in on the discussion regardless. I'm not someone who really cares about spoilers and since I'm WAY behind everyone else I'm not expecting you to reign in your discussion on the show's present state. My thoughts after the first season are the massive body count. I have a hard time believing with all the death in and around Charming we wouldn't see even more drastic measures from the authorities. That being said, the ATF lady and crazy stalker guy seemed cartoonishly evil and corrupt.
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It's good mindless entertainment-- just don't think about it too hard (or at all) or it gets pretty easy to rip apart.
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Sanzuo posted:I just started watching this show on netflix. Finished the first season and it seems pretty awesome. But then I wandered into this thread, apparently the show sucks now? Bummer! The climax of the show brings tears to Kurt Sutter's eyes.
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Sanzuo posted:My thoughts after the first season are the massive body count. I have a hard time believing with all the death in and around Charming we wouldn't see even more drastic measures from the authorities. That being said, the ATF lady and crazy stalker guy seemed cartoonishly evil and corrupt. Cartoonish is the best way to describe where the show goes.
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cornface posted:The climax of the show brings tears to Kurt Sutter's eyes. Oh zing! I, I don't know what to say about that but good job! So, when are they going to kill off Clay. Well, let's be honest, that'll be the last year.
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niethan posted:What did you enjoy about the first? Be fair. The first two seasons were really good. Do yourself a favor Sanzuo, give up after season 2, except maybe catch the premier episode of season 3. Unless you want to become bitter like the rest of us. Most seasons have a bright spot or two, but everything went downhill since season 3. SpannerX posted:So, when are they going to kill off Clay. Well, let's be honest, that'll be the last year. Don't kid yourself man. He'll be the last one standing.
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Donny Brook posted:Be fair. The first two seasons were really good. Do yourself a favor Sanzuo, give up after season 2, except maybe catch the premier episode of season 3. Unless you want to become bitter like the rest of us. Most seasons have a bright spot or two, but everything went downhill since season 3. I asked because depending on what he like in the first he might like the newer seasons or not. E.g. if he like chases set to thematically appropriate music (are you chasing mexicans? play mexican music. chasing blacks? play rap.), then he'll love the later seasons just as much as the first.
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