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AlphaDog posted:Which rear end in a top hat cats are you referring to? When the illusion cats show up to save Dresden in Cold Days, Harry has some mental monologue about how cats are basically apex urban predators that give no fucks and etc.. Also, Mister was an rear end in a top hat throughout the series. Constantly knocking Mouse's food bowl over and swatting him on the nose, I'm sure there are other remarks about how Mister just doesn't give a poo poo about anyone else in the apartment and how he just puts up with them, as well.
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Wade Wilson posted:When the illusion cats show up to save Dresden in Cold Days, Harry has some mental monologue about how cats are basically apex urban predators that give no fucks and etc.. And that's all pretty typical cat behavior.
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Wade Wilson posted:When the illusion cats show up to save Dresden in Cold Days, Harry has some mental monologue about how cats are basically apex urban predators that give no fucks and etc.. Wade Wilson posted:Also, Mister was an rear end in a top hat throughout the series. Constantly knocking Mouse's food bowl over and swatting him on the nose, I'm sure there are other remarks about how Mister just doesn't give a poo poo about anyone else in the apartment and how he just puts up with them, as well. As already mentioned: that's all pretty typical cat behaviour. Sure, you have cats that are the nicest, friendliest, cuddliest things imaginable (who still can and when given the chance probably will cheerfully murder any bird they spot). But you also have cats that are disdainful and act like they own the world. Raygereio fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Mar 6, 2013 |
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Mar 6, 2013 17:19
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I never said Jim Butcher was wrong or that it was a bad thing. 
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Mar 6, 2013 20:08
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So I've been thinking a bit, and I think I figured out how Harry will get Molly out of the cold. He'll trade the blackstaff to mother Winter for Molly's freedom. Possibly his own as well. What happens to the winter lady mantle after that, I don't know.
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Wade Wilson posted:I never said Jim Butcher was wrong or that it was a bad thing. Yeah but this guy with his cat murder apologist views started the whole thing: 404GoonNotFound posted:So cats are assholes in pretty much every Butcher book? I know he's a dog person, but wow The Birdocaust is real and it's happening right now man.
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Honestly I was just riffing on Sir Stuart's "Cats can see you, they just don't give a poo poo" comment and it somehow spun out of control when I wasn't looking.
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OBi posted:The Birdocaust is real and it's happening right now man. I'm fine with this, birds are the real assholes anyway.
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Mar 7, 2013 04:05
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For those that care, Daniel O'Malley has submitted the first draft of the sequel to The Rook.
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Ornamented Death posted:For those that care, Daniel O'Malley has submitted the first draft of the sequel to The Rook. oh poo poo oh poo poo oh poo poo oh poo poo Yessssssssssssss
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Haven't read the thread. I'm new to the series, read up through White Knight and took a break, then my buddy got me a copy of Cold Days, signed by Butcher. Excited, I resumed the series to catch up before I got Cold Days in the mail. I just finished Changes. I feel like I was kicked in the stomach.
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Dienes posted:I just finished Changes. I feel like I was kicked in the stomach. Yeah, that'll happen. It's a good kick though. Very well executed. Just keep reading.
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Dienes posted:Haven't read the thread. I'm new to the series, read up through White Knight and took a break, then my buddy got me a copy of Cold Days, signed by Butcher. Excited, I resumed the series to catch up before I got Cold Days in the mail. One of us. One of us!
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Dienes posted:Haven't read the thread. I'm new to the series, read up through White Knight and took a break, then my buddy got me a copy of Cold Days, signed by Butcher. Excited, I resumed the series to catch up before I got Cold Days in the mail. Changes isn't the last stomach kick Butcher is going to give you. A certain future part caused me to put the kindle down and walk around my apartment grumbling despondently.
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mikeycp posted:Changes isn't the last stomach kick Butcher is going to give you. A certain future part caused me to put the kindle down and walk around my apartment grumbling despondently. Don't get all broken up about that, he gets a new duster later and everything.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Don't get all broken up about that, he gets a new duster later and everything. I meant kicks post-Changes.
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mikeycp posted:I meant kicks post-Changes. Yes, that's what 404 was talking about, too.
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I wonder if having tools made from materials he gathers on Demonreach will have any effect on Harry's magic.
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Wade Wilson posted:I wonder if having tools made from materials he gathers on Demonreach will have any effect on Harry's magic. I'd bet money on it.
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Ornamented Death posted:For those that care, Daniel O'Malley has submitted the first draft of the sequel to The Rook. Yessssss. Out of a few different authors/series I tried when I ran out of Dresden, I think The Rook might've been my favorite.
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I started Kat Richardson's Greywalker. Seems pretty cool. Blaine appears to be a lot like a lady version of Dresden, personality-wise. I'm a couple of chapters in and there's already been awkward flirting, but it does seem to be written that way intentionally.
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AlphaDog posted:I started Kat Richardson's Greywalker. Seems pretty cool. Blaine appears to be a lot like a lady version of Dresden, personality-wise. I'm a couple of chapters in and there's already been awkward flirting, but it does seem to be written that way intentionally. She's not as bad as Dresden, but is still slightly on the awkward side of center. She's a lot more confident and has far fewer autistic tendencies. pseudonordic, you're the one who pushed me to the series. Can you tell me if the second book is the low point? Because I liked the first but the second was a muddled mess.
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ConfusedUs posted:has far fewer autistic tendencies. Oh thank God I found this thread. I mentioned to my friend (the one who bought me Cold Days) that Harry had a lot of ASD-typical behavior and he called me nuts. But its all there! Lack of eye contact, lack of social skills including failure to recognize and/or value facial/affect cues, ritualistic behavior, resistance to change, arguably the presence of splinter skills, often socially ostracized (warts/hexing tech), and perseverative interests. Do you think that's just a fluke of how he's written, or do you think Butcher did it intentionally?
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Dienes posted:Oh thank God I found this thread. I mentioned to my friend (the one who bought me Cold Days) that Harry had a lot of ASD-typical behavior and he called me nuts. But its all there! Lack of eye contact, lack of social skills including failure to recognize and/or value facial/affect cues, ritualistic behavior, resistance to change, arguably the presence of splinter skills, often socially ostracized (warts/hexing tech), and perseverative interests. It's totally intentional. Some of the most memorable short stories are those taken from non-Harry points of view, where other people directly think just how goddamned weird Harry can be.
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ConfusedUs posted:She's not as bad as Dresden, but is still slightly on the awkward side of center. She's a lot more confident and has far fewer autistic tendencies. Books 2 and 3 are a bit muddled but slowly showcase Blaine's exploration of her powers. Books 4 and 5 are a single plot. BTW, currently reading Stephen Blackmoore's Dead Things. Good so far.
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ConfusedUs posted:It's totally intentional. I'm also convinced that Harry's weirdness is an intentional choice, especially given the stories from the other point of view. I think a lot of people are just used to really bad writing where the protagonist's lovely traits are a reflection of the author's lovely traits. But it absolutely makes sense for a modern day wizard to be a weird awkward shut-in who lives in a basement. Harry even refers to wizards in general as the weird nerds of the supernatural world (can't remember the exact phrasing, but that was the gist of it).
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Harry is even more of a nerd than most. His job is magic and his hobby is also magic. Locking himself in the basement and not showering for a year after Susan got vampired is just icing on the cake.
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As a counterpoint, I ask this: tell me you would not spend all your time doing magic things if you were a loving wizard.
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Thomas and Murphy PoVs on Harry I recall, were pretty funny. He's just a weirdo until poo poo goes down and then he's an rear end kicking, problem solving monster.
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veekie posted:Thomas and Murphy PoVs on Harry I recall, were pretty funny. He's just a weirdo until poo poo goes down and then he's an rear end kicking, problem solving monster. I also like that he's kind of scary to normal people.
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More like creepy to regular people. It's those who know what he can do that are terrified because this clearly unbalanced dude has a hell lot of power.
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And I love that we, as readers, know that his weird behavior and his terrifying cosmic power are basically entirely related. Like yeah, he's a big goober who can't look anyone in the eye, and he wears that doofy loving coat no matter how hot it is outside and he can do complex math in his head but doesn't understand cell phones or computers. But the reasons for all of that are directly tied in to magic. It's just a nifty point of view IMO, and a good use of "what the audience knows" vs "what the characters know".
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veekie posted:Thomas and Murphy PoVs on Harry I recall, were pretty funny. He's just a weirdo until poo poo goes down and then he's an rear end kicking, problem solving monster. If I recall correctly, doesn't Murphy even directly use the term autistic to describe Harry in Aftermath?
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veekie posted:What about the mouthing off? That's all Harry, which is why I didn't mention it. Besides, if Harry was otherwise a normal dude, mouthing off wouldn't be a big deal anyway. (See also: Vince Graver)
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Doesn't Thomas describe him as redbull Gandalf on crack at one point?
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AlphaDog posted:Just a thought, but is every main character in Dresden Files obsessed with something to the point that it fucks with their lives? Harry, Michael, Molly, and Murphy all fit that. Of those, Michael is the closest to having had a normal life outside of his calling, and even there, it's very clear he's much happier post-retirement as a full-time family man than he ever was as a Knight of the Cross. So I think you're probably on to something.
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Dienes posted:Oh thank God I found this thread. I mentioned to my friend (the one who bought me Cold Days) that Harry had a lot of ASD-typical behavior and he called me nuts. But its all there! Lack of eye contact, lack of social skills including failure to recognize and/or value facial/affect cues, ritualistic behavior, resistance to change, arguably the presence of splinter skills, often socially ostracized (warts/hexing tech), and perseverative interests. I think it's both. I think Butcher basically came up with Harry as a personal avatar, then came up with in-universe rationalizations for all of Harry's (Butcher's) weird quirks. Which is more than most authors ever manage to do.
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SerSpook posted:If I recall correctly, doesn't Murphy even directly use the term autistic to describe Harry in Aftermath? Yeah, and not just the lack of eye-contact. It surprised me to see him others describing him as being quiet and moving carefully and deliberately (because of his size). He would only transform when into super intense and confident when poo poo hit the fan.
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