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LAY-ZX posted:Boos are clearly ghosts because their houses are called Ghost Houses. They are ghost houses because of the Eeries, which are dead baby yoshis. Source: FamousGhosts.
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Y-Hat posted:I remember the original Super Mario Bros. instruction manual saying that Goombas were Mushroom Kingdom traitors who joined Bowser's army.
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Mar 12, 2013 16:51
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FinalGamer posted:Indeed! That's some bizarre Original Sin-style background they wanted to put in with Goombas but I don't think anyone really cares anymore. Getting turned into chestnut people still sounds like a pretty bad curse. I seem to remember getting transformed into some cursed form happening in one of the RPG games before.
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Mar 12, 2013 21:55
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Y-Hat posted:I remember the original Super Mario Bros. instruction manual saying that Goombas were Mushroom Kingdom traitors who joined Bowser's army. Didn't that also say that Bowser used magic to turn the Mushroom Retainers (when I was a kid and basically didn't know English I thought it meant containers and I was so confused) into bricks and powerups? You know, the thing that Mario breaks and eats all game. poo poo was messed up.
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Mar 12, 2013 23:07
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Geemer posted:Didn't that also say that Bowser used magic to turn the Mushroom Retainers (when I was a kid and basically didn't know English I thought it meant containers and I was so confused) into bricks and powerups? You know, the thing that Mario breaks and eats all game. There's conflicting stories with that. One said what you said, another said that the Toads were inside the bricks, and rewarded Mario/Luigi with coins or power-ups for freeing them from the blocks (off screen of course).
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Mar 12, 2013 23:20
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Geemer posted:(when I was a kid and basically didn't know English I thought it meant containers and I was so confused) But wouldn't that mean that Mario was just bashing through and munching on Toads friends and family throughout the whole game? That's some grim poo poo, man.
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Mar 12, 2013 23:21
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Zebia posted:There's conflicting stories with that. One said what you said, another said that the Toads were inside the bricks, and rewarded Mario/Luigi with coins or power-ups for freeing them from the blocks (off screen of course). Freeing them from the blocks = freeing them from their mortal coil.
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Mar 12, 2013 23:21
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Might as well just post the relevant Brawl in the Family comic while we're still on the topic.
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Mar 12, 2013 23:23
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He turned the toads into bricks, then used the bricks to build floating blocks. Simple.
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Mar 12, 2013 23:29
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Oh god if that's true, I feel so terrible I might have to go back and do a "No casualties" runthrough of Super Mario World et al and break as few bricks as possible. 
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Mar 13, 2013 00:02
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MarquiseMindfang posted:Oh god if that's true, I feel so terrible I might have to go back and do a "No casualties" runthrough of Super Mario World et al and break as few bricks as possible. Those were Dinosaur Land bricks. They were made from baby Yoshis. Totally different.
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Mar 13, 2013 00:10
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Clearbrook posted:Getting turned into chestnut people still sounds like a pretty bad curse. I seem to remember getting transformed into some cursed form happening in one of the RPG games before. I find it wonderfully ironic.
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Mar 13, 2013 00:34
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The only transformation that I can think of is Geno taking the form of Doll in Mario RPG. And it just occurred to me that Geno might be a Luma.
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Mar 13, 2013 02:25
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All I can think are the paper transformations in Thousand Year door v v.
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Mar 13, 2013 06:20
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I know some enemies in Super Mario Sunshine turn into floating blocks when Yoshi spits at them. Some of which even float upwards, though they disappear after a minute or so. And Petey Piranha turns into... some kind of brown gunk when defeated. Thankfully Sunshine was the only game where transformations were somewhat gross, to my knowledge at least.
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Mar 13, 2013 12:09
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Panzerschwein posted:And it just occurred to me that Geno might be a Luma. If there was a Luma who introduced himself as ♥♪!? and never did anything else he would be my favorite character.
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Mar 13, 2013 12:21
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LAY-ZX posted:If there was a Luma who introduced himself as ♥♪!? and never did anything else he would be my favorite character. Oh wow. How did this not happen?
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Mar 13, 2013 14:40
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Geno is a Luma and nothing anyone says can refute it.  So originally it was Can he still do magic? Or in his slothful indolence does he consider that beneath him, the debased charlatanry of Magikoopa and other minions?
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Mar 13, 2013 14:49
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Mazed posted:Geno is a Luma and nothing anyone says can refute it. I want to answer your question so badly, but it would end with source: Mario wiki, so i'll instead say that it works better when magikoopa does the magic, tonewise.
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Mar 13, 2013 15:28
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Mazed posted:Geno is a Luma and nothing anyone says can refute it. Bowser clearly just expends his vast sorcerous might in really wasteful and ostentatious ways and is tapped out any given time he runs into Mario. Like all those Bowser worlds in 64, or by turning pointlessly giant when he's already much larger than Mario. And I mean really it's not like he's actually trying to defeat Mario, it's like Dragonheart. Bowser 'kidnaps' the princess, she hits the beach for a few weeks, Mario 'defeats' him and 'rescues' her, and everyone wins. And by everyone I mean just the three of them, everyone else eats it in the shorts. Which, since it's a monarchy, is only to be expected.
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Mar 13, 2013 16:25
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Mazed posted:Geno is a Luma and nothing anyone says can refute it. source: super mario galaxy.
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Mar 13, 2013 19:14
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It's not completely out of the realm of possibility that any magic bowser does has been though one of the several magic wands that have been in the games. Heck, he might have once just been a normal person, tried to enhance his own power with magic. It ended up back firing and cursing himself and all his followers.
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Mar 13, 2013 21:53
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In super nerdy DnD terms, Bowser is horribly unoptimized as a caster. Instead of min-maxing in a proper manner, he made INT and WIS his dump stats, and as a result, he sucks at preparing/learning the right spells to use in any situation. You'd think that by now he's learned to pack something other than Fire Breath, Enlarge Person, and Dimension Door, or level in classes that would take advantage of his high STR, CON, and CHA levels, but no, he keeps making the same mistakes and getting stomped into the ground by Mario, Jumplomancer extraordinaire.
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Mar 13, 2013 22:27
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Also remember one of Bowser's on-again off-again minions is that koopa witch\wizard thing that flies around on a broomstick and dicks with you.
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dotchan posted:In super nerdy DnD terms, Bowser is horribly unoptimized as a caster. Instead of min-maxing in a proper manner, he made INT and WIS his dump stats, and as a result, he sucks at preparing/learning the right spells to use in any situation. You'd think that by now he's learned to pack something other than Fire Breath, Enlarge Person, and Dimension Door, or level in classes that would take advantage of his high STR, CON, and CHA levels, but no, he keeps making the same mistakes and getting stomped into the ground by Mario, Jumplomancer extraordinaire. I love you. But seriously, Bowser has a legion of magikoopas. I doubt he himself does magic when he has Kamek and Kammy and all the other Koopas whose names presumably begin with "Kam" can do it. Though there was Super Mario 3 where all the Koopalings did magic but that seems to be from their magic wands because all the random kingdoms you go to are under the iron fisted rule of wizard kings.
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dotchan posted:In super nerdy DnD terms, Bowser is horribly unoptimized as a caster. Instead of min-maxing in a proper manner, he made INT and WIS his dump stats, and as a result, he sucks at preparing/learning the right spells to use in any situation. You'd think that by now he's learned to pack something other than Fire Breath, Enlarge Person, and Dimension Door, or level in classes that would take advantage of his high STR, CON, and CHA levels, but no, he keeps making the same mistakes and getting stomped into the ground by Mario, Jumplomancer extraordinaire.  brilliant.Omnicrom posted:But seriously, Bowser has a legion of magikoopas. I doubt he himself does magic when he has Kamek and Kammy and all the other Koopas whose names presumably begin with "Kam" can do it. Though there was Super Mario 3 where all the Koopalings did magic but that seems to be from their magic wands because all the random kingdoms you go to are under the iron fisted rule of wizard kings.
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It's almost like although Bowser knows how to use magic he doesn't actually have any innate magical power of his own so he needs to get the raw power from somewhere else like Stars or Wands to actually do any real magic.
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Mar 14, 2013 04:26
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Neruz posted:It's almost like although Bowser knows how to use magic he doesn't actually have any innate magical power of his own so he needs to get the raw power from somewhere else like Stars or Wands to actually do any real magic.
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Mar 14, 2013 04:44
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Do Mecha-Bowsers dream of electric yoshis?
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Mar 14, 2013 05:00
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Man everyone forgetting smrpg , where square thought it would be funny to give the powerful summon magic from final fantasy to the pure brute strength guy. But more importantly he had a weapon that was just him throwing mario at enemies, and summoned stuff just by snapping his fingers. In short, who gives a poo poo Bowser is awesome.
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Tengames posted:Man everyone forgetting smrpg , where square thought it would be funny to give the powerful summon magic from final fantasy to the pure brute strength guy. But more importantly he had a weapon that was just him throwing mario at enemies, and summoned stuff just by snapping his fingers. In short, who gives a poo poo Bowser is awesome.  Perhaps in many ways, Bowser is like Mario far more than we could ever imagine. A jack of all trades, but perhaps a master...of one?
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FinalGamer posted:Huh...yeah that actually kinda makes sense! You never see Magikoopas use-oh wait no hang on they DO use wands. Stars however...that's another matter altogether though Mario Galaxy 1 had that Magikoopa who had a Star INSIDE a wand for extra power. Maybe Magikoopas just use wands to help them FOCUS their magic better since they already have it innately, like an easy-to-use device for convenience among warlocks and warlords? Presumably Magikoopers use the wands as a focus and can benefit from Stars just like Bowser can since Stars are clearly massive sources of near-unlimited magical energies. The wands the Magikoopas use probably don't have any actual magic in them on their own or Bowser would be able to use them, so they're probably just focuses or tools that help manipulate magical energies since presumably those wands are mass produced in Bowser's kingdom. Of course if Bowser can get his hands on a magic wand that does actually have magical power in it or something else with magical power in it then he can make good use of it too, but unlike Magikoopas he needs to get his power from elsewhere. It's like, Bowser is actually quite adept at magic and knows all kinds of really complex spells, but he has no innate mana regeneration with which to cast his spells, so he needs to drain other things like Stars for mana to cast his spells. This also explains why he is capable of creating an entirely new universe, but only with the power of the Grand Star.
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Sperg trap sprung, good lord. Keep them videos coming, this threads getting a tad nerdy.
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Mar 14, 2013 05:20
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I know it's not cannon but Bowser did use magic in the Mario anime.
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LateToTheParty posted:I know it's not cannon but Bowser did use magic in the Mario anime. 
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LateToTheParty posted:I know it's not cannon but Bowser did use magic in the Mario anime. That's it. Line crossed 
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Mario anime, you say??? Why, I've never heard of such a thing, please elaborate on it in great detail for the thread. 
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LAY-ZX posted:Mario anime, you say??? Why, I've never heard of such a thing, please elaborate on it in great detail for the thread. I know this is sarcasm, but I feel like doing it anyway. It was this one movie back in the 80's/early 90's with some long title like "THE DESPERATE MISSION TO RESCUE PRINCESS PEACH." Bowser, etc. came out of Mario's TV. The Mario Bros. were grocers. Mario didn't even get the credit for rescuing her, instead it was this new prince character who never showed up in anything else. Overall it was a pretty mediocre one-off thing with no real notable qualities. Kinu Nishimura fucked around with this message at 06:07 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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alcharagia posted:I know this is sarcasm, but I feel like doing it anyway. Pretty much what alcharagia said. It is pretty mediocre but it is an interesting take on the (  I can't believe I'm going to say this) Mario mythos due the movie being made only a year after the release of Super Mario Brothers and Nintendo not having an established universe in the series. What I mean is that the movie had some weird interpretations of Super Mario Brothers such as Bowser being able to change into different forms due to magic, Koopas being giant for some reason, Lakitu's cloud being a weather machine, the power-ups being treated as sacred macguffins needed to save the day, and other weird poo poo. The movie is mostly known for being extremely rare due to having a limited VHS release in Japan and the movie was never ported onto DVD. You can find two versions of the movie on YouTube, one in Japanese with subtitles and the other is a somewhat decent English fan-dub of the movie. Fun fact: the guy who directed the Mario anime also co-directed Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland.LateToTheParty fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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Also Mario's stereotype was all over the place and in one scene if I recall he randomly had a poncho and sombrero and danced around firing guns.
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