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Midorka posted:Edit: Also, I hate that putting 5 gallons into a bucket/carboy means that I'm only going to end up with 4.5 gallons. THANKS YEAST. hellfaucet posted:Makes me even more  when I realize that most of the stuff in my beer is just going to get pissed away in a couple hours and what remains will largely be filtered out anyhow. THANKS LIVER, KIDNEYS, AND THE REST.
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Bad Munki posted:
Take that one step further and think about all that money you are literally pissing away! Wait, no, don't do that.
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hellfaucet posted:Makes me even more I'm only dry hopping an ounce and I'm already worried about the amount of volume lost. I wish I could just do 10 gallon batches. Edit: I'm mostly worried about this because I'm brewing for a record day event. I told the guy I'd get ~120 bottles. He said 150 people would be there but it was okay. I just hope I can at least get 120 bottles out of 2 5.5 gallon batches with 1 ounce dry hopped each. I'm using about 5 ounces of hops total for what it's worth. Midorka fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Mar 13, 2013 |
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Mar 13, 2013 18:28
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The last batch I dry-hopped I kind of just said "gently caress-it" and really sucked the poo poo out of the liquid at the bottom with all the hops. Definitely clouded my beer, but I got more than I would have if I left that poo poo at the bottom like I normally do. Most of the particles were sucked up the first few pints from the keg anyhow.
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Sirotan posted:Take that one step further and think about all that money you are literally pissing away! Well, if you think about the money you save in not buying commercial beer, and how much better homebrew is anyway, then you... Wait: 5 Gal HLT: $70 8 Gal Brew Kettle: $150 10 Gal Igloo Beverage Dispenser Mash Tun w/ False bottom and ball valve: $100 High BTU burner: $40 Kegging setup: $150 5 cu ft Keezer w/ temp controller: $300 Bits, bobs, odds, ends (propane, siphons, carboys, etc): ~$100 So that's ~$900 initial for a quality setup. 5 gallons of beer have you looking at about $15 a batch, versus ~$80 of 5 gallons of equivalent beer. So I start saving on beer after about 15 batches, or 75 gallons. To do a 4 gallon batch of cider, my raw ingredients are ~$25. The same 4 gallons of Woodchuck cider would be ~$70. This means I actually start saving money after about 20 batches of cider, or 80 gallons. Basically, if you drink a lot, making your own is very frugal. That is, until you start buying more extravagant stuff, but who does that?  (if you are doing this to save money, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons)
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I'll just never upgrade any of my gear and I'll save money eventually 
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internet celebrity posted:I'll just never upgrade any of my gear and I'll save money eventually I have found the perfect emoticon for this thread: 
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RagingBoner posted:(if you are doing this to save money, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons) Oh I never said making your own beer was all about about saving money, it's just that I not too infrequently think about all the money I'm literally pissing away while I'm drinking whatever rare/expensive/tasty beer I've grabbed from my beer fridge. I should probably get into collecting art instead...
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Sirotan posted:I should probably get into collecting art instead... Trust me, the beer tastes better.
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Marshmallow Blue posted:Take a swab and grow a petri dish sample of the faucet head all your clean water's coming from. God, I wish I could find it again, but some guy on Reddit (I think) who worked in a lab took samples of all these different types of water and charted bacteria growth for each one and distilled water and water straight from his tap were remarkably similar. I tried my hardest to find it, but I just can't track it down.
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Sirotan posted:Oh I never said making your own beer was all about about saving money, it's just that I not too infrequently think about all the money I'm literally pissing away while I'm drinking whatever rare/expensive/tasty beer I've grabbed from my beer fridge. I should probably get into collecting art instead... I was just doing the math to make myself feel better about my hobby. I also forgot to factor in how nice it is to entertain friends with your hobby, as opposed to being a guy who does model trains or collects junk. My hobby'll get you hosed up! WOOO!!! SPRING BREAK!!! This is the best my crappy animation program can do with that .gif:  Think I might buy it, or pay someone in SA Mart to clean it up so I can upload it.
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RagingBoner posted:
25px max height, I think?  Eh... e: take 2, cropped 
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Mar 13, 2013 19:30
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RagingBoner posted:I have found the perfect emoticon for this thread: I am OK with admitting I am into brewing because its a way to spend money and spending money just feels good. Tap water sanitation can be all over the place even between different faucets in your house. The water is generally nuked with enough disinfectants to do a spiral around the city, sit in a pipe a week, and then still kill junk in your house pipes where the builder accidentally hooked up the city water to the toilet drain. If you can drink your water its generally OK. By the time yeast and bacteria can get through you will generally already be making GBS threads giardia like a poop fountain.
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ChickenArise posted:25px max height, I think? That is perfect, except it is 2kb too big, is there any way you can clip a few frames from the middle to cut the size to below 10kb? Edit: Does this look good? 
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Mar 13, 2013 20:04
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I dunno, I feel like this hobby is one of the less spendy. Cars, for instance is way more expensive. Hell, even quilting costs more than this; my mother's sewing machine was somewhere in the $600+ dollar range, and she had to be 'talked down' from buying a 12' Long Arm machine (which are $10,000+). My grandmother-in-law collects stamps and makes cards, I'd guess she's spent more than the GDP of some small African nations. Speaking of spending loads of money on hobbies. If you on the fence about getting a Thermapen - just get one. I thought people were joking when they said they use theirs all the time. I know the perfect temp of coffee that I like, perfectly cook chicken, sausages, just anything protein based, check on muffins, know the exact serving temp of my beer, pretty much any and everything. It's a fantastic piece of equipment.
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Midorka posted:Edit: I'm mostly worried about this because I'm brewing for a record day event. I told the guy I'd get ~120 bottles. He said 150 people would be there but it was okay. I just hope I can at least get 120 bottles out of 2 5.5 gallon batches with 1 ounce dry hopped each. I'm using about 5 ounces of hops total for what it's worth. 11 gallons with no loss gets you 117 twelve ounce bottles, so you're gonna come up short no matter what. This is why I do 6 gallon batches, throw 5.25 gallons into the fermentor with little to no trub and you end up with a full 5 gallons or a little more when you go to package.
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fullroundaction posted:My favorite fearmongering is when people claim that Brett is not only impossible to kill once it's touched your equipment, but it will infect literally every other beer in your house forever. Quoting this from a bit back, but I didn't see anyone mention is that the reason a brett infection can be noticeable compared to other yeast types is that they can eat sugars that regular sacc yeast can't, so unless your beer is exceptionally high ABV, brett can take hold eventually.
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Josh Wow posted:11 gallons with no loss gets you 117 twelve ounce bottles, so you're gonna come up short no matter what. This is why I do 6 gallon batches, throw 5.25 gallons into the fermentor with little to no trub and you end up with a full 5 gallons or a little more when you go to package. I somehow wound up with 5.75 gallons in the fermenter. I guess I used too much sparge water! I planned for 5.5 gallon batch but I am not going to complain. I think it's funny though that I bought a grain mill because I was pissed at low efficiency from my LHBS. My first batch ended up 65% efficiency, guess I didn't crush the grain fine enough! I guess I'll have a 65 IBU ~6% IPA and a 47 ibu ~6% pale ale. I hope that the grain crush I have gives 75%-80% efficiency for the pale ale. I suppose that I could top off the pale ale with a little bit of water to dilute the ABV down a little, but oh well. I'll just call the IPA a pale ale this time. As for the bottles, oh well. If I end up short then it's no big deal. He shouldn't have given me 5 weeks to brew and have everything bottled. Midorka fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Mar 13, 2013 |
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RagingBoner posted:That is perfect, except it is 2kb too big, is there any way you can clip a few frames from the middle to cut the size to below 10kb? Now I can see his thumb being cut off by the crop. I can play with it more when I get home.
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RagingBoner posted:I have found the perfect emoticon for this thread: I have a few thousand bucks in hardware and such, I would guess (don't make me add it all up, the reality is probably far worse than I realize). But I've also been at it for 20 years, so it kind of feels like that's been pretty well amortized out. But I agree with Jacobey000 - this is way cheaper than cars, or guitars, or shooting, or any of a million other hobbies. Hell, it's way cheaper than my other hobby, high-power rocketry, where expenditures can be measured in hundreds of dollars per second of burn time.
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I still have several thousand dollars worth of Warhammer upstairs, so compared to other hobbies this is cheap as hell.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I still have several thousand dollars worth of Warhammer upstairs, so compared to other hobbies this is cheap as hell. Oh poo poo... yeah I've been hauling around my first edition AD&D books for like 20 years now... Beer > AD&D
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I overemphasize sanitation just because it would be lovely to have a ruined batch. I'm talking anal enough that I have a spray bottle of Everclear. Also, I had to pay a lot of extra money (like 9 bucks) for a stir bar (because Home Brew Mart is a ripoff for everything) and of course, the stir bar didn't even work. I guess the stirplate I have can't spin it for whatever reason because the 1 inch bars just get thrown every time and there was a huge mess of krausen all over my countertop. Le sigh. As for the expense discussion, if someone asked me how to make beer, I could explain how to do it for cheap, expensive and most places in-between. It depends how deep in the rabbit hole you want to go. You could feasibly start doing 2-3 gallon BIAB batches for under 50 bucks invested including the ingredients.
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Marshmallow Blue posted:Take a swab and grow a petri dish sample of the faucet head all your clean water's coming from. I top off with tap water all the time, been brewing for 3+ years, over 40 batches, never had an infection. So, anecdotal, yes, but I personally think invoking the 'people are too anal about sanitation' rule might apply here.
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Angry Grimace posted:As for the expense discussion, if someone asked me how to make beer, I could explain how to do it for cheap, expensive and most places in-between. It depends how deep in the rabbit hole you want to go. You could feasibly start doing 2-3 gallon BIAB batches for under 50 bucks invested including the ingredients. Yeah man, I had a buddy right before Xmas tell me he was interested in brewing and I sold him on the basic bucket kit from Midwest Supplies and invited him over to my place to see what my setup looked like at the time. He got the kit for Xmas and is totally happy with the basic package. Good for him, not everyone winds up sperging out on the nerdy details.
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The guy said the same thing about his tap water, so I guess it's not a big deal. Personally I use those 5 gallon cooler jugs from BJs. They're cheap and double as an emergency source of potable water.
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hellfaucet posted:Good for him, not everyone winds up sperging out on the nerdy details. Spergy details are half the loving fun of brewing. The other half is getting absolutely shitrocked whilst brewing.
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ChickenArise posted:Now I can see his thumb being cut off by the crop. I can play with it more when I get home. Ok, 9.9kb, 42x25. (I'll shave off a few more bytes and edit it in here if I need to since it's >10k bytes technically)  In homebrew news, I am once again wishing that I'd been able to not drink nearly 5 gallons of my IPA while super fresh. I don't know exactly what happened, but it has gone from being massively fruit-forward (hi, I love galaxy hops) to tasting like some of my favorite DIPAs with less alcohol. It's also finally gone totally clear and I know it'll run dry any day now.
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LeeMajors posted:Spergy details are half the loving fun of brewing. The other half is getting absolutely shitrocked whilst brewing. I'm not disputing that, it's all I think about anymore. Just saying that some dudes are content with doing 5gal extract batches in buckets forever. Not me.
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When I built my brewing setup I decided on 15 gallon pots because "maybe I'd want to make a 10 gallon batch now and again". I'm so glad I did because after a few 4.5 gallon results I thought it was a better time investment to make larger batches. Then I found that 5.5 gallon batches tended to have a lot of blowoff so I decided to start doing 8 gallon batches in 2 fermenters, which required a larger fermenting space, which I decided should have room for 4 fermenters. /throws money up in the air  The cost savings was the thing that pushed me over the edge in getting started. $14 for a 6 pack of rogue? That does it! I'm starting my own brewery. With hookers! And Blackjack!
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For the new guy, someone tell me what all this is?
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Crunkjuice posted:For the new guy, someone tell me what all this is? The left pot is a hot liquor tank. I heat up 15 gallons of water here to be my strike and sparge water. Also inside of it is a stainless steel coil for a heat exchanger. The middle pot is the mash tun with a false bottom to hold the grain and let the liquid through. Put your heated strike water and grain in, then recirculate through the coil in the first pot to keep it at your mash temperature or mash step temperatures. The continuous recirculating also vorlaufs the sweet wort, which clarifies it during the starch conversion. Once that's done it gets pumped and sparged to the right pot for the boil, where you add the hops. The little white box below this pot is a flow meter for measuring sparge rates and counting the volume for the boil. When that's done, I add ice packets and water to the first pot, and pump the boiled wort through the heat exchanger to take it back to temperature to pitch the yeast. 10 minutes of cleanup and you've got beer! Takes about 11-14KWh of electricity. More pictures in the Picasa Album.
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Ha, being a poor student brewing has more than already paid for itself (in about two batches) and then some. Half priced beer, gently caress yeah (and using extract as well). I could probably get it down a bit further by going all grain and buying more things in bulk/growing hops/reusing yeast more, but at the moment I'm pretty happy with the price point. If I had money to blow I might get some kegs or extra fermenters, but that would be about it. But setups like Capnbry's do look like fun... Also, has anyone had any experience with the bucket in bucket mashtun method, especially in terms of sealants/fitting a tap/what types of tap to use? I know that the esky method seems the standard way to do it, but I don't really feel like potentially ruining a decent $50 esky. Nanpa fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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Nanpa posted:Also, has anyone had any experience with the bucket in bucket mashtun method, especially in terms of sealants/fitting a tap/what types of tap to use? I know that the esky method seems the standard way to do it, but I don't really feel like potentially ruining a decent $50 esky. There's a guy in our club that does the two bucket mashtun that makes good beer, but he's been doing it that way for 10 years or so. Nowadays I don't see any reason to do that over brew in a bag, especially when it's cheaper to do BIAB. With that being said I think a cooler mashtun is the best thing for a non-heated mashtun. Your efficiency will be lower with BIAB than a cooler, so if you spend an extra $3-5 in grain per batch with BIAB the cooler pays for itself pretty quickly. As for messing the cooler up it's pretty impossible, you just take out the drain plug and install whatever valve and filtration setup you go with, you don't actually modify the cooler in a non-reversible way.
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With a 5-8 gallon boil kettle, the paint strainers with the elastic band work very well for BIAB and are dirt cheap. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BPG5R6/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 The first strainer bag is holding up well after 5 batches with it and carried 10 pounds of grain without complaint.
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LeeMajors posted:Spergy details are half the loving fun of brewing. The other half is getting absolutely shitrocked whilst brewing. Agreed! Except once I get shitrocked I screw up all the spergy details and end up 2 gallons short on volume or forgetting to add hops or some poo poo 
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I first did BIAB because it seemed an easy route to all-grain and at that point I was looking to spend my available hobby money on kegs and a chest freezer. A year later, I'm still "B'ingIAB" because the results I'm getting are more than satisfactory to myself and others who, trust me, wouldn't hesitate to tell me if it were lovely beer.
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BIAB is just a really convenient form of direct fire mashing if your kettles big enough and you have a decent way of sparging the bag. Spergy details end up just being annoying. Let it roll and let the brew god and/or several iterations settle it out.
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Jo3sh posted:If you can make a hamburger that won't kill anyone, you can make good beer. Josh Wow posted:Your efficiency will be lower with BIAB than a cooler, so if you spend an extra $3-5 in grain per batch with BIAB the cooler pays for itself pretty quickly. zedprime posted:BIAB is just a really convenient form of direct fire mashing if your kettles big enough and you have a decent way of sparging the bag. baquerd posted:With a 5-8 gallon boil kettle, the paint strainers with the elastic band work very well for BIAB and are dirt cheap. nmfree fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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Say hello to the : homebrew : smilie! RagingBoner fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Mar 14, 2013 |
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