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I finally got the ability to buy levels in DW8, I instantly spent 4/5 of my maxed out money to bring pretty much everyone to at least level 30. Maybe now money will start meaning something again. Also fuuuuck these trophies. Do more than 50 Shosei battles back to back? Finish all six billion scenarios on the highest difficulty level?  Hahaha, oh those little devils.
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It's from Mitsuyoshi Sonoda's Record of the Three Kingdoms manga, as far as I know the most famous one. That line and picture are a long running meme on the Japanese internet. The whole exchange is something like: Cao Cao: I'm going to build my palace so it reaches all the way to the sky! Sima Yi: A big palace is fine but you're getting up there in age, be careful you don't end up going all the way up to heaven. Cao Cao: Hahaha, oh you little devil! Sima Yi: Hahaha Edit: wait no, there's another Three Kingdoms manga by Mitsuteru Yokoyama that's equally famous I think, it has this from it:  Sima Yi: Wait! Hold it! This is Kong Ming's Trap! It kinda fills the position that Admiral Akbar does on the English internet. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Mar 15, 2013 |
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Mar 15, 2013 09:30
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Question about DW8. Is there any bullshit system where you're limited in how many attacks you can perform fresh out of the gate? Like, how in DW7, you have to spend skill points to unlock the fifth and sixth normal and charge attacks? I hate crap like that. VVVVVVVV EDIT: Good to hear; sounds manageable enough. Orb Crabmelt fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 15, 2013 |
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Mar 15, 2013 17:35
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GANDHITRON posted:Question about DW8. Is there any bullshit system where you're limited in how many attacks you can perform fresh out of the gate? Like, how in DW7, you have to spend skill points to unlock the fifth and sixth normal and charge attacks? I hate crap like that. It's tied to character level this time, but the requirements are pretty low. Seemed like from the third stage of any kingdom's story mode on everyone available would be at a level that let them use all of their charge attacks. You finish unlocking things for a character at level 26 with their last musou and proficiency star.
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Mar 15, 2013 18:01
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tooooooo bad posted:It's tied to character level this time, but the requirements are pretty low. Seemed like from the third stage of any kingdom's story mode on everyone available would be at a level that let them use all of their charge attacks. You finish unlocking things for a character at level 26 with their last musou and proficiency star. Not surprising to hear about. It's a core mechanic of the proper iterations of the DW games to have a levelling system in which you earn, either by pure levelling or by paying in skill points / paying in money for better weapons, to get your extra attacks. I was actually surprised when in DW7:E I noticed right from the start, you get complete access to all attacks. My favorite thing about DW7:E at this point, was discovering all the custom, 4th-wall breaking generals are out there to recruit. I delighted at seeing nods to A Game of Thrones, but I had to pause the game for a good five minutes when Your Mom requested to join my kingdom.
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Mar 15, 2013 18:08
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tooooooo bad posted:It's tied to character level this time, but the requirements are pretty low. Seemed like from the third stage of any kingdom's story mode on everyone available would be at a level that let them use all of their charge attacks. You finish unlocking things for a character at level 26 with their last musou and proficiency star.
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Mar 15, 2013 18:09
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Samurai Sanders posted:Oh yeah also, in DW8, when you start using a character that you haven't used before in a story mission other than the first, it automatically and permanently adjusts their level upwards so its appropriate for that stage. So like, you've ignored Liu Bei through almost all of the Shu storyline, and then use him for the last stage, he'll suddenly jump from level 1 to level 30. Though Liu Bei's weapon situation may be pretty dire since you won't find a character's EX weapon in shops until you've played as them once.  e: I used Xiahou Dun in the first stage of Wei and then once more in the last stage, expecting that I'd be able to buy some nice three dot weapons for him before the stage began. Only to discover that there's no merchant before Wei's last stage. 
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Mar 15, 2013 18:22
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tooooooo bad posted:Though Liu Bei's weapon situation may be pretty dire since you won't find a character's EX weapon in shops until you've played as them once. edit: or you can get the weapon shop in Shosei mode up to a high enough level and just buy them there. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Mar 15, 2013 |
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Mar 15, 2013 18:23
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tooooooo bad posted:In further "DW8 IS OBVIOUSLY HAPPENING" news, Yaay, English VAs are back  Oh, and I got the downloader working. Don't know why it didn't work before.
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Mar 16, 2013 15:40
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 The 2010 Three Kingdoms TV show is the best thing ever.
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I always liked the Red Cliff flims by John Woo. The first one is full of politicking and the second is the actual battle of Chi Bi in all its glory. It focuses more on Wu than anything else and we get a pretty great portrayal of Sun Quan dealing with living in the shadows of greatness of his father and older brother.
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Jimbot posted:I always liked the Red Cliff flims by John Woo. The first one is full of politicking and the second is the actual battle of Chi Bi in all its glory. It focuses more on Wu than anything else and we get a pretty great portrayal of Sun Quan dealing with living in the shadows of greatness of his father and older brother. I liked Red Cliff a lot. Of particular note, the part where Xiaoqiao goes to Cao Cao's camp to get him drunk off his rear end on the night of the fire attack made her DW7XL stage a bit more tolerable, since it reminded me that stories of her somehow being involved in the battle is apparently A Thing and not just some stupid amine crap.
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Patter Song posted:
I mentioned this before. I've been watching it all week at work since all of the episodes seem to be on YouTube for free. I was hooked after the first couple episodes and am at the part where Lu Bu is about to kill Dong Zhao over Diao Chan. Cao Cao is my favorite character so far, though.
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Charles Martel posted:I mentioned this before. I've been watching it all week at work since all of the episodes seem to be on YouTube for free. I was hooked after the first couple episodes and am at the part where Lu Bu is about to kill Dong Zhao over Diao Chan. Wait until you see how he deals with Yuan Shao. One of the high points of that series.
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Jimbot posted:I always liked the Red Cliff flims by John Woo. The first one is full of politicking and the second is the actual battle of Chi Bi in all its glory. It focuses more on Wu than anything else and we get a pretty great portrayal of Sun Quan dealing with living in the shadows of greatness of his father and older brother. SirPhoebos posted:I liked Red Cliff a lot. Of particular note, the part where Xiaoqiao goes to Cao Cao's camp to get him drunk off his rear end on the night of the fire attack made her DW7XL stage a bit more tolerable, since it reminded me that stories of her somehow being involved in the battle is apparently A Thing and not just some stupid amine crap.
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Been playing ROTKXI and I got to say the tutorials are pretty well thought out, especially with giving Liu Bei the " 'I'm a Master Strategist!'" schtick.
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SirPhoebos posted:Been playing ROTKXI and I got to say the tutorials are pretty well thought out, especially with giving Liu Bei the " Chortles fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Mar 17, 2013 01:35
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GANDHITRON posted:Wait until you see how he deals with Yuan Shao. One of the high points of that series.  The Cao Cao and Yuan Shao moment is my favorite, and also the time when Zhuge Liang gives a guy such an  that he keels over dead on the spot. 
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Chortles posted:Start here for the lulz. I want to punch that LPer.
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Hooks posted:
When you say it's free on Youtube do you mean officially, or someone just ripped it all and stuck it up there and no one cares because it's China?
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The latter, plus apparently this version has better subtitles than the official translation anyway. Also, have some Mayor Zhang Fei, and part 2, set when Guan Yu leaves Cao Cao. Bonus trivia: Keep an eye on that one guy who tells Zhang Fei of Guan Yu's fate 48 seconds into part 2... he seems to have an absurd lot of identical twins or Chinese magical clones 
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Hooks posted:The Cao Cao and Yuan Shao moment is my favorite, and also the time when Zhuge Liang gives a guy such an Thanks for that .gif! Here's Zhuge Liang vs Wang Lang in the 1993 series, which I'm fond of for its pure hamminess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-W06fiwlo&t=80s
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It just occurred to me, I don't think I've ever played a stage in a musou game at below normal difficulty. What's it even like? On normal they hardly ever attack you and even when they do they can never hit you when you're moving, I basically never finished stages at anything other than full hit points. On the lower difficulty levels are the enemies somehow even less dangerous?
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Hooks posted:
I love the part where Li Ru comes to Sun Jian's camp to propose a marriage between Dong Zhuo's daughter and Sun Quan. His face once Sun Quan walks in is absolutely priceless.
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Been playing Sengoku Basara on PS3 and its feeling much more repetitive than DW7 or WO3, is there's anything more or should I just stop?
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RBX posted:Been playing Sengoku Basara on PS3 and its feeling much more repetitive than DW7 or WO3, is there's anything more or should I just stop?
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RBX posted:Been playing Sengoku Basara on PS3 and its feeling much more repetitive than DW7 or WO3, is there's anything more or should I just stop? I actually felt the same way. Basara's way more repetitive to me - just on the grounds that there's so much filler. I wanted to try all the characters but it got way too obvious I was just going through the same stages over and over with no real change or chance for variation. Basically to me, it feels like Dynasty Warriors blended with Megaman. A character's stage is ALWAYS going to be that. There's no variation, no change in strategy. You make your way to the boss and beat them. Basically, it's no different than choosing your stage in Mega Man except you can play as other characters besides Mega Man- except it doesn't change the fact that Metal Man's stage is exactly the same. A standard DW/SW/WO stage has at least the minor chance that something could play out differently. If the Morale RNG favors the CPU, you have Red swarming your commander. A different strategy (I clear out the north instead of the west first) can make the battle flow differently. Slightly slow on rescuing someone? Battle's harder. It's more of a sandbox than a theme park.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is he saying "hee hee hee heee! WOOOO!!" as he runs away? Please tell me he is, even if it isn't true.  The whole scene seems to begin around midway through episode 27.If I recall correctly, 2010's version was basically the first to actually be done as a "proper" TV show while the famous 1993 version (1986 actually?) was essentially the filming of a stage version of the novel?
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Samurai Sanders posted:It just occurred to me, I don't think I've ever played a stage in a musou game at below normal difficulty. What's it even like? On normal they hardly ever attack you and even when they do they can never hit you when you're moving, I basically never finished stages at anything other than full hit points. On the lower difficulty levels are the enemies somehow even less dangerous? The last DW-style game I played was Warriors Orochi 2 on the PS2, so it may have changed since then. In any case, on Easy what a lot of enemies will do is run up to you, stop, circle around you, occasionally throw out a single attack... then circle around you some more. Sometimes they won't even attack you and instead continue to circle around you. Generals are slightly more aggressive but only the head coammander(s) in a stage tend to make any effort to actually attack you. Also, the AI might as well not even know blocking exists for how little it gets used. Lastly, just about the only way you can lose is by literally doing nothing at all the whole time. Hell, if memory serves, the Yellow Turban Rebellion stages in DW3 were so easy on Easy that you could put down the controller when the stage started and the allied AI would still be able to do everything short of finish the stage for you. In short, Easy is what you set the game on if you're introducing someone to the series for the first time and you want to be sure nothing resembling a dangerous situation occurs.
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Falconer posted:The last DW-style game I played was Warriors Orochi 2 on the PS2, so it may have changed since then. In any case, on Easy what a lot of enemies will do is run up to you, stop, circle around you, occasionally throw out a single attack... then circle around you some more. Sometimes they won't even attack you and instead continue to circle around you. Generals are slightly more aggressive but only the head coammander(s) in a stage tend to make any effort to actually attack you. Also, the AI might as well not even know blocking exists for how little it gets used.
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SirPhoebos posted:I liked Red Cliff a lot. Of particular note, the part where Xiaoqiao goes to Cao Cao's camp to get him drunk off his rear end on the night of the fire attack made her DW7XL stage a bit more tolerable, since it reminded me that stories of her somehow being involved in the battle is apparently A Thing and not just some stupid amine crap. Red Cliff is in my top ten movies. The battle of Chi Bi is amazing, and the point in the first movie where Guan Yu shows up as reinforcements BY HIMSELF is goddamn epic. Is the 2010 series worth getting? I've not heard too much about it.
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The 2010 series has been linked a few times in this thread on Youtube. I'm on episode 10 right now and I've really come to like Lu Bu, he's played pretty sympathetically so far. The past few DW interpretations have moved him gradually from "powerful warrior" towards "intangible maelstrom of pride and power" so it's refreshing to have a slightly more human portrayal! Red Cliff was an excellent movie (or two) and I spent the entire thing in love with Zhuge Liang and his quirky smugness. It was also nice to see Zhao Wei as Sun Shangxiang - I'd watched 14 Blades the night before and it was nice to have an actor I was already familiar with.  e: I bought Samurai Warriors 2 on XBL the other day as something to play while my other half does her Warcraft daily quests and dear lord does ever it scratch that oldschool Warriors itch. Collecting weapons, cinematic character introductions, free mode and the added bonus of not knowing any of the characters and their stories takes me back to the days of good old DW3/4. I miss a lot of DW7's modern touches but the gameplay and systems are so familiar I can wear my nostalgia goggles on a brand new game. Teratrain fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Mar 17, 2013 |
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"Intangible maelstrom of pride and power" is the best way to describe him in DW I have heard yet, even when you're playing as him. I just played the one story mission he has in DW8, and all I remember is "RAAARGH!!" and plowing people through the ground with his spear. And I was the one freaking controlling him. edit: kinda like playing as Kratos in GoW come to think of it, except that Lu Bu has somewhat more variety in how he can kill people. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:"Intangible maelstrom of pride and power" is the best way to describe him in DW I have heard yet, even when you're playing as him. I just played the one story mission he has in DW8, and all I remember is "RAAARGH!!" and plowing people through the ground with his spear. And I was the one freaking controlling him. Lu Bu is probably the biggest reason I'm glad that there'll be English VAs for DW8, assuming they keep Jaimeson Price. Well, him, Sima Yi, and Zhang Jiao. Those three are like a cornicopia of hammy VA. 
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Sima Yi's English DW7 VA felt underwhelming... while his Japanese VA recently took a spill and passed away days ago.Enallyniv posted:The 2010 series has been linked a few times in this thread on Youtube. I'm on episode 10 right now and I've really come to like Lu Bu, he's played pretty sympathetically so far. The past few DW interpretations have moved him gradually from "powerful warrior" towards "intangible maelstrom of pride and power" so it's refreshing to have a slightly more human portrayal! I should add that its depiction of Wang Yun is less nice compared to the novel -- near the end of episode 7, he finds out that Lu Bu and Diaochan have been seeing each other since the retreat from Luoyang to Chang'an, and in episode 8 he first agrees for Lu Bu and Diaochan to wed, then he tells Diaochan the part about giving her to Dong Zhuo...
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SirPhoebos posted:Lu Bu is probably the biggest reason I'm glad that there'll be English VAs for DW8, assuming they keep Jaimeson Price. Zhang Jiao was definitely awesome in DW7 and he almost sounds like Dr. Orpheus so I just imagine him leading the YTR.
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Jibo posted:Zhang Jiao was definitely awesome in DW7 and he almost sounds like Dr. Orpheus so I just imagine him leading the YTR. I just loved how he speeded up near the end of every sentence. "This is AMIRACLEOFTHEHEAVENS!"
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Darth Walrus posted:I just loved how he speeded up near the end of every sentence. "This is AMIRACLEOFTHEHEAVENS!" Also half his lines being screamed.
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