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ImpAtom posted:There were some old PC games that went in that territory. I remember at least one where you could end up blind and basically completely hosed because of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuIgzFW7B2I
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So just for the heck of it I decided to try and fire up multiplayer last night but it's completely dead already isn't it.
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Yodzilla posted:So just for the heck of it I decided to try and fire up multiplayer last night but it's completely dead already isn't it. I tried it and just ended up getting spawn camped by dudes with very accurate and damaging weapons. The closest analog I had to their guns was my bow and arrow which requires a charge up period during which my aim is thrown off by being shot with bullets. I think I killed 1 guy with my bow and 3 guys with my pistol the whole round. I stopped playing the multiplayer after 1 round.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Oh, no, I didn't mean that. I think it's a decent game actually, don't get me wrong. While I have no doubt some contingent of people could be found for almost any type of game, one has to weigh that against the cost of developing the game and how big that fan base is. MOST people would not want to play that game.
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Yodzilla posted:So just for the heck of it I decided to try and fire up multiplayer last night but it's completely dead already isn't it.
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The idea of establishing base camps was an extremely stupid one, you NEED dynamic and swapping spawns or its just campfest, having an unlock system with guns that are clearly better than the ones you start out was also a really bad idea, I'm almost certain the upcoming DLC for this game is multi based as well which is retarded, it also makes me wonder if they plan to address any of the current issues the multi is having. Honestly just give me a coop horde mode and I'll be happy.
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DeathChicken posted:That would be Robinson's Requiem. The same game where you could amputate your own legs. Palpek posted:Was it Robinson's Requiem by any chance? Yeah, that was the one I was thinking of. Also the original Deus Ex where you could jump off a cliff and break your legs and had to crawl around.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Oh, no, I didn't mean that. I think it's a decent game actually, don't get me wrong. GTA4 is a good example of this because Saints Row 2 came out at the same time and proved a good contrast on the issue. The was pretty much no disparity whatsoever between the gameplay and story of Saints Row 2. You're a crazed, hypercapable, hyperambitious mad(wo)man hell-bent on power and revenge, and the cutscenes never suggest you are not. I really felt like Saints Row 2 came out as a better game from it, with some really incredible moments, and it made the impact of the two events you can't stop (the deaths of Carlos and Aisha) much stronger because the whole of the game had a consistency throughout. Sure, the story wasn't deep or meaningful, but it worked and it was good, and ultimately I think that unless you are a really good writer, your action game should have an action plot; it's hard enough to mix and match genres in media where the writer has much tighter control, nevermind one like this where the writing is often a secondary concern. If as a deloper you want to make video games' answer to The Godfather, you can't make your gameplay like GTA. I don't know what you'd need to make the game like, but I'd sure as hell play it if you could make the story interesting and have the gameplay flow seamlessly from it. But all that said, I don't think Tomb Raider is particularly bad for this, convenient spike injury aside. The survival horror angle does actually progressively slide away as Lara gets thrust into more and more situations where she has to kill people. The initial section right after you get the handgun, and then the section as you climb for the radio tower don't really work with how they construct the narrative up to that point, but I felt there was a definite change in the narrative flow at the end of the radio tower section, which conludes Lara's first act of true heroism and follows it up with a commitment to put her life on the line to save others. Past that point I didn't feel there was much dissonance at all, and certainly not after Lara's "I'M COMING FOR YOU" speech when Sam's radio is discovered. After this, I felt Lara was portrayed as highly competent and determined in cutscenes, which matched up okay with the gameplay, and while it wasn't perfect, there have been games more critically acclaimed than this that were much worse on that point. Reveilled fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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The Entire Universe posted:The part where he's climbing up the train has the hilarious line "I'm always climbing poo poo" grunted as he's about halfway up. I had bought the 2-game GOTY pack and the sheer amount of poo poo he did indeed climb (such as around the outside of an entire loving morro fort) was fresh in my mind, not to mention all the poo poo he climbed in the second game leading up to the actual non-flash-forward train part. If there's one criticism I'd level at TR personally, it would be that I'd love to have had more climbing in the game, and far more intricate climbing. I like running around in 3d spaces Prince of Persia style where a wrong move is certain death, but I also like free-roam to ascend areas the way I want to (Assassins Creed). One understated fact of this game is that a lot of areas are a lot more open than you would expect. I recall seeing multiple paths to the same places on many occasions, which is something desperately needed in games these days. Freedom of movement in games is a lost art, so it's nice to end up in an area by taking one of a couple different paths. I just wish there was more poo poo to climb, period. Near the middle end of the game when You take the gondola down to the suspended ship, I was excited to explore something like that. But it was just an action set piece instead.  If this reboot means a sequel, I hope they really flesh out the climbing mechanics.
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ImpAtom posted:I can't imagine this not getting a sequel unless the sales numbers are really surprisingly bad or something. It's been received really positively for a reboot. I want it to sell tons just so we can out of this "female characters" don't sell horseshit.
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ImpAtom posted:I can't imagine this not getting a sequel unless the sales numbers are really surprisingly bad or something. It's been received really positively for a reboot. Some quick googling suggests its outselling both the new SC2 expansion and the new god of war.
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Dan Didio posted:As much as I want to believe that's true, that sounds...unlikely. I blame google. VGChartz (heh) guesses around 1.1 million for all platforms. EDIT: I took that from here: http://www.inquisitr.com/577387/tomb-raider-takes-top-sales-spot-for-second-straight-week/ I shouldn't skim stuff.
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Alteisen posted:I want it to sell tons just so we can out of this "female characters" don't sell horseshit. This has never happened before, I don't see it happening now either, even if games with female protagonists have sold really well in the past.
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I have a couple quick questions about the PC version before I take the plunge. These have probably been answered elsewhere in the thread but the thread is huge and I'm trying to go into this game as blind as possible. 1. Can you remap keys? I'm the one guy on the planet who doesn't play with WASD, and games that make me use their key bindings really bug me. 2. Have the issues with NVIDIA cards been fixed yet? I know they released a patch to fix them but are they really fixed? Thanks.
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Knormal posted:1. Can you remap keys? I'm the one guy on the planet who doesn't play with WASD, and games that make me use their key bindings really bug me. 1. Yes, you can indeed rebind keys in the options menu. 2. It's worth playing now as I cleared the game before the release of the fixing patch on a Nvidia card and didn't have any issues to speak of. However that was in my experience and yours may vary.
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Dan Didio posted:As much as I want to believe that's true, that sounds...unlikely. Yeah, it might outsell the new GoW but no way in hell is anything going to be outselling the SC2 expansion.
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User0015 posted:If there's one criticism I'd level at TR personally, it would be that I'd love to have had more climbing in the game, and far more intricate climbing. I like running around in 3d spaces Prince of Persia style where a wrong move is certain death, but I also like free-roam to ascend areas the way I want to (Assassins Creed). One understated fact of this game is that a lot of areas are a lot more open than you would expect. I recall seeing multiple paths to the same places on many occasions, which is something desperately needed in games these days. Freedom of movement in games is a lost art, so it's nice to end up in an area by taking one of a couple different paths. This was one of my favorite little things about this game and honestly one of my bigger reasons for liking it more than Uncharted. In many cases, there are tons of different ways to get from point a to point b, and while it doesn't really change the gameplay, it adds a lot to the illusion that this is a real place and not just an interconnected series of set pieces. It's still not perfect and I kind of groaned when they introduced the special wall material for climbing with an axe, but it's still leagues above the set design in most games. Also, would it really be that difficult for a multi-console title to outsell the new SC expansion, considering that Wings of Liberty had a pretty mixed reception and is PC only? I would think that the multiple platform angle could give Tomb Raider the boost it needs. edit: I'm really glad that it's outselling GoW, if that's true.
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Knormal posted:I have a couple quick questions about the PC version before I take the plunge. These have probably been answered elsewhere in the thread but the thread is huge and I'm trying to go into this game as blind as possible. You can remap keys just fine. Nvidia released new beta drivers a few days ago specifically for Tomb Raider, version 314.21. I just got the game and it looks and plays fantastic on my 660Ti.
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The very end the game directly tells you there will be a sequel so if it sells enough I don't see it not happening. It already received critical acclaim and is a known brand.
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I hope the survivors of this game end up being Lara's crew in the next. I always thought it was a weakness of the previous games that she didn't really have any supporting characters that persisted from game to game until Legend, and even then they popped up out of nowhere.RatHat posted:Yeah, it might outsell the new GoW but no way in hell is anything going to be outselling the SC2 expansion. Watch the digital sales on SC2. Video game sales charts still have a tendency to ignore anything that didn't happen in a brick-and-mortar store, so I wouldn't be shocked if TR crushes SC2 in physical copies, but SC2 blows it away on digital.
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Wanderer posted:I hope the survivors of this game end up being Lara's crew in the next. I always thought it was a weakness of the previous games that she didn't really have any supporting characters that persisted from game to game until Legend, and even then they popped up out of nowhere. And they too were awful stereotypes. I hope they do keep them around as her backup so they can make them actual characters, but my guess is everyone else will be too traumatized from the experience and Lara will have new sidekicks, if any. My favorite thing would be someone along the lines of the female lead from Temple of Doom, only as a guy. A good writer would have a fun time with the gender switch.
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DrNutt posted:My favorite thing would be someone along the lines of the female lead from Temple of Doom, only as a guy. A good writer would have a fun time with the gender switch. Agreed this is would be a good reversal, although not if it means the next game has an escort mission... Also they could have done this pretty effectively with Alex in this game, instead of hastily cramming in all his character development and subsequent death into half an hour near the end. Honestly I felt that way about most of the characters except for Lara and Matthias really.
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DrNutt posted:And they too were awful stereotypes. I hope they do keep them around as her backup so they can make them actual characters, but my guess is everyone else will be too traumatized from the experience and Lara will have new sidekicks, if any. God no. Kate Capshaw is 80% of the reason why I like Temple LESS than the other Indy movies. Yes, including Crystal Skull. I do think the idea of Lara maybe having a boat to work from instead of the mansion, could be neat, and fits the ending of this game quite well.
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Gaz-L posted:God no. Kate Capshaw is 80% of the reason why I like Temple LESS than the other Indy movies. Yes, including Crystal Skull. That's certainly, well, an opinion. I didn't necessarily mean exactly like that, but something along those lines. I thought her portrayal was great though, and a fun contrast to Karen Allen's character in the first movie. I would be down for a boat base vs the mansion as long as they bring back the homebase puzzle stuff. I loved the chillax nature of taking a break from shooting tigers and raiding tombs to solve a home mystery.
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I absolutely loved this game and now I wanna play the other CD tomb raiders. How are the PC ports and can I play them with a controller?
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The PC ports are cool. Personally I only really got into Anniversary but all three are good in their own way. I remember Underworld worked fine with a 360 gamepad but don't know about the others.DrNutt posted:And they too were awful stereotypes. I hope they do keep them around as her backup so they can make them actual characters, but my guess is everyone else will be too traumatized from the experience and Lara will have new sidekicks, if any. Weren't each of these guys her backup at varying points throughout the series? I could have sworn some of them were around in Tomb Raider II or maybe even Angel of Darkness or a newer one. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Mar 19, 2013 |
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^I don't think any of the guys in the new game were ever in the old school titles, but I've only played 1 and 2, and the other CD titles.^Zaggitz posted:I absolutely loved this game and now I wanna play the other CD tomb raiders. How are the PC ports and can I play them with a controller? Go in with lowered expectations and you'll be fine. The PC ports are all excellent and you can play them with a PC gamepad; I use a wired 360 controller with mine. They've all got their strengths but just remember that they're going to be a hell of a lot different than you one you just played. Oh, and the camera in Underworld kind of sucks.
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Wanderer posted:I hope the survivors of this game end up being Lara's crew in the next. I always thought it was a weakness of the previous games that she didn't really have any supporting characters that persisted from game to game until Legend, and even then they popped up out of nowhere. I feel like that is what they were going for but maybe I'm wrong. The survivors are a pretty solid basic cast of support characters and could be fleshed out pretty easily.
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DrNutt posted:^I don't think any of the guys in the new game were ever in the old school titles, but I've only played 1 and 2, and the other CD titles.^ Yeah I double checked. There are rough analogs of them in minor roles but not the same folks.
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DrNutt posted:^I don't think any of the guys in the new game were ever in the old school titles, but I've only played 1 and 2, and the other CD titles.^  Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean.
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Xenomrph posted:I'm pretty sure Zip was introduced in TR Chronicles and then carried over to the CD games. Oh, I meant in the reboot. None of those guys are the same characters as in previous games.
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Orgophlax posted:Which one did they have Lara die in, and how did they bring her back? The Last Revelation and Chronicles. Chronicles was everyone getting together to tell stories about Lara and it ended with them finding her alive.
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Oh, I thought it was some magic hocus pocus stuff. I really wish there was a way to patch the old games to change the controls to modern mechanics instead of tank controls. How was that ever thought to be a good idea?
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Orgophlax posted:Oh, I thought it was some magic hocus pocus stuff. Just do me a favor and never play III, Last Revelation, Chronicles or Angel of Darkness.
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Orgophlax posted:Oh, I thought it was some magic hocus pocus stuff. Nah, she's trapped in a cave-in at the end of LR and everyone is like 'she's dead' and then the sequel comes along and nope.
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Neo Rasa posted:Just do me a favor and never play III, Last Revelation, Chronicles or Angel of Darkness. Whats wrong with the Last Revelation?
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ImpAtom posted:Nah, she's trapped in a cave-in at the end of LR and everyone is like 'she's dead' and then the sequel comes along and nope. 1st rule of video games: If there's no body or a funeral they're not confirmed dead.
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