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Colonial Air Force posted:So you're saying it's not the proper green for American outfits in July 1942? Yeah but I dont really give a poo poo because they're well painted and look good. I have just been personally hassled by neckbeardy trollmen at games stores about the scheme on my SS stuff not being historically accurate.
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LintMan posted:Turns out I am now the proud owner of a Perry 28mm Samurai army for Impetus. Now to paint it all for a tournament in June. Which Tourney?
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Yeah but I dont really give a poo poo because they're well painted and look good. I have just been personally hassled by neckbeardy trollmen at games stores about the scheme on my SS stuff not being historically accurate. Thanks. I just find it hard to imagine a social interaction where someone would hassle a person because of the color of his miniatures. Kind of makes me wish I painted them all hot pink and orange. Edit: Then again, there isn't much of a wargaming culture here so it's probably because I'm an awkward shut in.
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No Pun Intended posted:Which Tourney? Southcon in Dunedin over Queens birthday weekend. Impetus looks like the new ancients ruleset most of the local club is looking to use in both 15mm and 28mm.
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Hellbeard posted:Thanks. I just find it hard to imagine a social interaction where someone would hassle a person because of the color of his miniatures. Kind of makes me wish I painted them all hot pink and orange. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Mar 18, 2013 |
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LintMan posted:Turns out I am now the proud owner of a Perry 28mm Samurai army for Impetus. Now to paint it all for a tournament in June. High five! Do you have any plans for how you are going to paint them?
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Pierzak posted:Hot pink and fluo green, with yellow smiley faces as insignia. Run it every time someone bitches at the "historically accurate" colors of your normal army. Don't worry I have a Sherman I started to paint in Imperial Fists livery for this purpose. The best marines are space marines!
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Historicals tends to attract a crowd of people who play them just for the historical accuracy. And when you base your life around painting tiny tiny Nazis the only way you can feel good about yourself is by being a huge fuckin' elitist. I think a lot of them feel really threatened. Historicals used to be a very insular hobby full of the kind of people who play a lot of ASL. But now with the fairly rapid expansion of the miniatures hobby in recent years its starting to get full of people who just want to recreate their favorite WWII movies or have some Vikings kill some Normans. It doesn't help that GW has been jettisoning huge amounts of people due to being a lovely company who's bad at things. And once you diversify into things like Infinity, Malifaux, DUST and Warmachine the draw of historicals becomes even higher of only because of the promise of looser model restrictions and lower price tags.
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No Pun Intended posted:Don't worry I have a Sherman I started to paint in Imperial Fists livery for this purpose. And here I was wondering what the proper colours for German Armour in early '45 wwere. Now, thanks to you, I have a better solution.
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I think all the grognards around here died or gave up, or at the very least do not trouble us with visits to LGS's.
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I don't mean to white knight les grognards, but (in rare cases) they may be legitimately attempting to be friendly ...but have way sub-par people skills. When a guy says you used the Wrong Green he may just want to talk about greens. And for some people, that's a conversation they'd enjoy. Maybe nobody's shared the good news about Right Green - and it's time to address that. This guy could be your go-to rainman for paint chat, and maybe he's telling you this because that's a very small and lonely circle. But yeah - for most people, Wrong Green is still code for "I'm way more into this hobby than you are" or "You hosed up your models, son." Those guys are assholes. That said, I've still considered trolling these guys with an army painted in sepia tones or black & white greyscale.
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I'm kind of in-between (although much more threadcounter/color nazi than I used to be before getting in to reenacting). I'd like them to be generally about right, but I'm not gonna sperg about every stupid shade.
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moths posted:. That'd be legitimately cool for different reasons. Although you could say you used period photos as a reference.
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lilljonas posted:High five! Do you have any plans for how you are going to paint them? Currently no idea. I plan on hitting up the local library for inspiration over the weekend. Google just isn't giving me enough results.
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I really dont get where you guys get this idea that historical players are terrible. Ive been wargaming for 30 years near enough and Ive found the historical wargaming crowd way more friendly and less full of dicks or awkward weirdos than the GW crowd, and thats by a long way. I play with a couple of large gaming groups and attend many conventions a year and Ive met very few people I wouldnt want to play a game with and have a beer with. Everyone I talk to is keen for new players to enter the hobby and would love for more people to make the switch from GW etc to historical wargaming. Ive never seen any evidence that anyone feels threatened by new and younger players entering historical wargaming. Maybe this is a cultural thing, and my experiences are purely about British wargamers. It has to be said that when you visit sites like TMP you can almost guarantee the few posters there being utter dicks and elitist to others are Americans, but then again its an American based site and most posters are from the US. Maybe its the lack of decent wargaming clubs in the US? Maybe the only people who wander down to LGS to play are those people that other people dont want in their clubs/gaming groups, so they are not representative of most players. People being dicks to others wouldnt be tolerated in the gaming groups I play in. Im with Moths, maybe they were trying to be helpful and wondered if you were unaware of the colours of the uniform. To be quite honest I find it a bit loving weird, bordering ont he 'woohoo look at me Im so whacky', that someone would buy an army that is remebered in living memory where we have overwhelming evidence of what colour their uniform/armour etc was and then chose to paint it a totally different colour. Sure Romans or Persians, Vikings, etc, knock yourself out, paint them as you want, but WW2, Napoleonics etc, why would you do that? Sure they are your minis and paint them as you want, but you have to expect people who have an interest in military history and wargaming to ask why you chose to paint them those colours. I dont think thats being a dick. Serotonin fucked around with this message at 09:01 on Mar 19, 2013 |
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moths posted:That said, I've still considered trolling these guys with an army painted in sepia tones or black & white greyscale. There was a really great WWII diorama like that, but now I can't find the drat thing. I did find some other things, though:   
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Serotonin posted:...on grognards. Really it's the "bad apple" syndrome. One guy with awkward social skills can really ruin things. Being in the US, the gaming groups I've encountered are centered around either a LGS or a college campus. This includes role players, tcg players, et al. It seems to me that most 'gaming clubs' in the US are generally groups of friends who have met through one of the other two means, and are typically not apt to including new people. Either because they don't want strangers to rock the boat, or because if they do try to advertise themselves it's either on Yahoo!Groups or some clunky, outdated social network website that never gets updated. That being said, our local "not proper green" grognard is actually a pretty cool guy, retired history teacher, who spends hundreds of dollars painting up some beautiful FoW models, but doesn't actually play. I like the guy and I like talking with him, though some of the other guys don't like how he tells stories about everything. (Seriously? This guy is a history teacher, it's like having a walking History Channel archive minus the aliens and sasquatch). The grognard I don't like is the guy who demands to use the FoW V2 random terrain chart. But I was 'on holiday' for 5 months and apparently he's removed himself thanks to World of Tanks. Otherwise, some of the older players get a little huffy puffy when I talk about using non-Battlefront models that the LGS can't order for me (I actually had one of the other players get offended by me ordering PSC models because SUPPORT YOUR LGS!) However, when I hear stories of the UK gaming clubs, it does make me a little jealous, imagining being able to go to a hole-in-the-wall pub and have a game of FoW (though that's probably romanticizing it a bit). But historicals, and miniatures in general, are more prevelant in the UK than the US (either that or we're just spread out too thin for the most part and an LGS is easier to find than trawling Yahoo!Groups). Lastly, all historical players are terrible people - we're all manchildren playing with our plastic toy soldiers. PEW PEW.
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That one might be a photoshop, I think I remember seeing that table (with those exact shots) in full color.
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The UK has the advantage of clusterization as well. If you drive for 3 hours (or take the train for slightly more) you can be within distance of thirty or more clubs depending on your area (including pubs with miniatures and board games scenes). In the US for a similar amount of time invested you're only going to be within the distance of maybe half a dozen clubs and many of them will be based around things like college campuses (and therefor dead during a third of the year). This tends to create fanatically loyal fanbases to local stores and those kind of atmospheres breed grognards and spergs. It doesn't help that a lot of the military and historical wargaming clubs in the US are or were offshoots of historical modeling groups and in some cases reenactment societies. Some places have really good historicals groups but they tend to not be terribly long reaching (even the biggest Warhammer club is pretty much only the Northeast).
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Pierzak posted:That one might be a photoshop, I think I remember seeing that table (with those exact shots) in full color. No, I've seen it in action at a con here in Sweden. It's done by an awesome German bloke, and it's actually sort of a mix between a boardgame, a tabletop game and a roleplaying game. It's a Dracula game, with one player being Dracula (with the goal of seducing Mina Harker), while the other player leads the attempt to stop him. It's very much a movie set in sepia, and if you see the actual board in person you will find tons of small easter eggs, such as a full colour director and camera crew. Several of the details are actually useful clues for winning the game! e: own image as proof 
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LintMan posted:Currently no idea. I plan on hitting up the local library for inspiration over the weekend. Google just isn't giving me enough results. Just give a shout-out if you need ideas, or references (both online and books)
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Hey guys, on another topic, how about this thing for fully immersive Saga? 
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lilljonas posted:No, I've seen it in action at a con here in Sweden. It's done by an awesome German bloke, and it's actually sort of a mix between a boardgame, a tabletop game and a roleplaying game. It's a Dracula game, with one player being Dracula (with the goal of seducing Mina Harker), while the other player leads the attempt to stop him.  )?
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I think the UK exists in its own universe in regards to Traditional Gamming.Serotonin posted:Sure Romans or Persians, Vikings, etc, knock yourself out, paint them as you want, but WW2, Napoleonics etc, why would you do that? Most people are fine with getting something that looks close enough and getting on with having fun. Some people just want armies that are "theirs" and thus they paint them in a non-historical scheme or even a flat out silly one. They didn't do anything wrong by any objective standard, but to a Grognard who want's everything to be "correct" this is cause to be a massive rear end in a top hat.
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lilljonas posted:Just give a shout-out if you need ideas, or references (both online and books) If you have some good online references that would be great. How are the Osprey books for this period? I find some of their WWII series either too much detail or not enough or their colour art being the exception not the rule. Email is at moosemoose316@gmail.com I have them all cleaned up and stuck to bases. Just need to glue the many sashimono to their backs then prime.
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No Pun Intended posted:Don't worry I have a Sherman I started to paint in Imperial Fists livery for this purpose.
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To put in perspective, that's in the neighborhood of playing a My Little Pony in Vampire or a magical schoolgirl princess in Call of Cthulhu. There's nothing wrong with it if that's the shared expectation, but it's the Specialist Snowflake otherwise.
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Arquinsiel posted:My friend's Soviets are Imperial Fists. It generates so much rage. I would like to see these
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I'll annoy him into taking pics sometime.
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Pierzak posted:Yep, that's what I remember. It seems the light threw me off or something. Have you got any links/more photos (especially of those easter eggs It was before I got my camera, so I only have some really crappy pics: http://imgur.com/a/kBeqG LintMan posted:If you have some good online references that would be great. How are the Osprey books for this period? I find some of their WWII series either too much detail or not enough or their colour art being the exception not the rule. The best reference for heraldry is this thread on the Samurai Archives forums: http://forums.samurai-archives.com/viewtopic.php?t=1638 The research done by the artist is several notches higher than what you will find in an Osprey book (he points out several errors in them) when it comes to heraldry. Generally, most armies were made up by several contingents led by different generals with different heraldry. So if you make a miniature army you could go all out with one clan and use their heraldry for the entire army. You could also paint up every unit as a different clan. Or you could use made up heraldry all together. For example, I've seen a really awesome Takeda army, where the entire army used Takeda heraldry. But myself, I'm basing my armies around the battle of Sekigahara with units from the Kobayakawa, Tokugawa, Ii etc. Both are very valid ways of doing an entire army. But with hindsight I think that a single clan might look more visually impressive if you are doing 28mm. When it comes to the actual uniforms, there are almost no known uniforms in this period. Most samurai had to supply themselves and their levied troops with equipment. Black laquer was by far the most used for armour, followed by red and a rusty brown laquer colour. Richer samurai could have armour where differently coloured lacing made patterns, while most just had simpler armour with less and single coloured lacing. Clothing could be very colourful for the rich samurai (I've seen a silk jacket where the left half was gold, and the right half was baby blue!), often with complicated patterns. Ashigaru were more likely to wear more drab colours such as browns, natural greens and blues, with simpler patterns such as stripes or dots. I think that the Osprey books on the subject are of varying quality, but I did like the book on ashigaru. I have a bunch of Japanese books from Gakken (a big publisher of Japanese history books) with pictures of real armour, I could see if there are any that are easy to scan if you are interested. One good inspiration could be to check out some of the contemporary battle screens. The Sekigahara screen :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Sekigahara_Kassen_By%C5%8Dbu-zu_%28Gifu_History_Museum%29.jpg
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moths posted:To put in perspective, that's in the neighborhood of playing a My Little Pony in Vampire or a magical schoolgirl princess in Call of Cthulhu. There's nothing wrong with it if that's the shared expectation, but it's the Specialist Snowflake otherwise. Okay, that's it. I'm running rainbow SS and talking with a lisp.
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Does anyone know any good rule-sets for skirmish level American Civil War games? I've been interested in getting into miniatures wargames but I don't really have the cash to spend on anything too huge so I thought skirmish level confrontations would be a good start and maybe I could eventually work my way up from there.
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lilljonas posted:
Thanks for that link. Looks like I have decided on Uesugi Kenshin's force during the 4th Battle of Kawanakajima. Each "group" of units would be from 1 of the 28 generals who took part. I don't have 28 groups so I will pick the ones with the heraldry shown in the link. Will post pics as I get them painted.
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Pierzak posted:Please post pics of your "alternative" painting schemes Yeah- the fantasy gaming thread is over that a-way. In other non silly news, Too Fat Lardies are bringing out a platoon level WW2 skirmish game, Chain of Command, and have made a couple of preivew/rule explanation videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiT70m6CJO8 Rich Clarke seems a little stilted on video compared to his podcast performances and how he runs games that Ive been lucky enough to play in.
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Bob Quixote posted:Does anyone know any good rule-sets for skirmish level American Civil War games? I've been interested in getting into miniatures wargames but I don't really have the cash to spend on anything too huge so I thought skirmish level confrontations would be a good start and maybe I could eventually work my way up from there. Too Fat Lardies has an expansion for Sharp Practice called Terrible Sharp Sword.
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Colonial Air Force posted:Too Fat Lardies has an expansion for Sharp Practice called Terrible Sharp Sword. Thank you for this, I tried looking online for free rulesets for the ACW but couldn't find any for skirmish level battles.
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Sharp practice and Terrible Sharp Swprd are a lot of fun. If you click on my link a couple of posts above to the video of their new WW2 game, on their channel are a few older videos with some rules playthroughs of Sharp Practice. Should give you an idea of the rules mechanics.
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LintMan posted:Thanks for that link. Looks like I have decided on Uesugi Kenshin's force during the 4th Battle of Kawanakajima. Each "group" of units would be from 1 of the 28 generals who took part. I don't have 28 groups so I will pick the ones with the heraldry shown in the link. The Osprey book on Kawanakajima is pretty good for a general grasp of the campaigns, but it doesn't have that much candy if you are just looking for painting guidance.
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