Canadian internet access gets shittier

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iLikeMidgets: Jan 3, 2005; insert witty title here

teethgrinder posted:

No one else has answered, and I don't use DD-WRT, so I Googled this for you: http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r28071953-

By console, meant you could run the commands by connecting to your router with SSH or apparently Telnet, but the above instructions look simpler.

That's how I did it as well. Was just about to post instructions but was at work all day.

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# ? May 21, 2024 05:50

Dudebro: Jan 1, 2010; I TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS

teethgrinder posted:

No one else has answered, and I don't use DD-WRT, so I Googled this for you: http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/r28071953-

By console, meant you could run the commands by connecting to your router with SSH or apparently Telnet, but the above instructions look simpler.

Thanks! Youtube wasn't slow for me before, but seems to be even faster now, not sure.

# ? Mar 14, 2013 00:43

Septimus: Aug 30, 2003; Wasabi? Why not!

Sassafras posted:

You should probably be using -j REJECT rather than -j DROP but I can't say whether the difference between the two in user experience is appreciable. (With REJECT, connections to those IPs will fail immediately rather than timing out which could take a while.)

Isn't REJECT and DROP the same other than the key difference being REJECT responds with an error packet to the originator? It would increase traffic across the interface to use REJECT. DROP is more like a black hole.

# ? Mar 14, 2013 03:27

titaniumone: Jun 10, 2001

Out of excitement for the upcoming package changes, I've started piecing together a new router. I use an embedded system right now which has 100mbit ports, and I plan to go full retard and get the 150/10 package, so I'm going to build a dual-gigabit mini-itx system.

Hooray for our internet finally getting a little less lovely!

# ? Mar 14, 2013 18:04

Sassafras: Dec 24, 2004; by Athanatos

Sassafras fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Nov 26, 2013

# ? Mar 15, 2013 05:36

Ziploc: Sep 19, 2006; MX-5

I have Bell 25/10. I've had it for about 2 months now.

It's had some problems. But after a first fix, I had amazing service at 25/10 consistently.

Now, after a second tech fixed it I'm getting 25/3 and now two days later 25/5. I'm 1km away from the 'slab' and there is a device extending service to other customers between me and the 'slab'. The tech told me this will affect upload negatively.

Old-ish neighborhood. I could either get 25/10 Bell Fibe. Or 30/2 Cable. Since I hate slow upload, I went with bell.

Is this BS? Or is this something I get to live with?

# ? Mar 16, 2013 00:34

iv46vi: Apr 2, 2010

Is that on a wired connection to the bell modem or wireless? For me the wireless in bell modem would be fine for a few days, then the service would degrade severely. Using a separate router results in consistent speeds.

# ? Mar 16, 2013 05:43

Ziploc: Sep 19, 2006; MX-5

iv46vi posted:

Is that on a wired connection to the bell modem or wireless? For me the wireless in bell modem would be fine for a few days, then the service would degrade severely. Using a separate router results in consistent speeds.

Wired.

# ? Mar 16, 2013 14:50

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

So, I have something interesting happen the past few days.

I noticed this past weekend that my Steam downloads would top out at approx 1.5MB/sec. Normally, I'd get 2.3-2.6 on my 25/2 DSL... and have always either with Telus or Teksavvy (who I am with now).

I thought it might be a Steam server issue, so I changed servers and no difference.

I did some speedtests and noticed some interesting results. During the day (like now), I'd get my "normal" 22-23ish/2.8

However, during the evenings I'd get wildly different speeds.. ranging generally around 10-ish/2.8. Teksavvy on DSL reports asked me to do some speedtests through their mini server:

http://speedtest.teksavvy.com/ (which is based out of Toronto I believe)

Results are not good

Speedtest.net servers gave wildly different speeds too... anywhere from 7-20 down.

This is my tracert to the teksavvy speedtest server last night

code:

C:\Windows>tracert speedtest.teksavvy.com
  
Tracing route to speedtest.teksavvy.com [206.248.140.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dsldevice.Home [192.168.1.1]
  2    40 ms    39 ms    39 ms  erx01.van.teksavvy.com [76.10.191.6]
  3    42 ms    39 ms    39 ms  76-10-191-28.dsl.teksavvy.com [76.10.191.28]
  4    39 ms    41 ms    49 ms  v504.core1.yvr1.he.net [64.71.138.205]
  5    50 ms    49 ms    50 ms  10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.sea1.he.net [184.105.
222.1]
  6    75 ms    75 ms    75 ms  10gigabitethernet3-1.core1.den1.he.net [184.105.
213.42]
  7   107 ms    99 ms    99 ms  10gigabitethernet7-1.core1.chi1.he.net [184.105.
213.85]
  8   121 ms   111 ms   120 ms  10gigabitethernet3-3.core1.tor1.he.net [184.105.
213.149]
  9   109 ms   115 ms   109 ms  gw-teksavvy.torontointernetxchange.net [206.108.
34.67]
 10   112 ms   161 ms   132 ms  2110.ae0.agg01.tor.packetflow.ca [69.196.136.44]
  
 11   109 ms   125 ms   112 ms  speedtest.teksavvy.com [206.248.140.50]
  
Trace complete.

Modem has been rebooted and it is not unique to my PC. I have tried it in safemode and done speedtests with the other 3 PCs in the house both wired and wireless.

All show similar results. Linestats from the other day are:

code:

Link Power State: L0
Mode: VDSL2 Annex A
VDSL2 Profile: Profile 8b
TPS-TC: PTM Mode
Trellis: U:ON /D:ON
Line Status: No Defect
Training Status: Showtime
Down Up
SNR (dB): 27.2 9.0
Attn(dB): 0.0 0.0
Pwr(dBm): 2.1 -8.6

VDSL2 framing
Bearer 0
MSGc: 26 90
B: 237 46
M: 1 1
T: 50 36
R: 16 16
S: 0.2883 0.4785
L: 7077 1070
D: 2 2
I: 255 64
N: 255 64

Counters
Bearer 0
OHF: 56437971 218803
OHFErr: 1 0
RS: 2821885200 1413679
RSCorr: 467 31
RSUnCorr: 4 0

ReXmt: 1034 3114
ReXmtCorr: 966 1642
ReXmtUnCorr: 4 1960

Bearer 0
HEC: 4 0
OCD: 1 0
LCD: 1 0
Total Cells: 1709972633 0
Data Cells: 356330157 0
Drop Cells: 0
Bit Errors: 0 0

ES: 1 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 22 22
AS: 204153

Bearer 0
INP: 36.00 19.00
INPRein: 0.00 0.00
delay: 10 6
PER: 3.61 12.97
OR: 70.77 59.21
AgR: 26317.99 3130.89

Bitswap: 9471/9471 26004/26191

Total time = 1 days 8 hours 42 min 55 sec
FEC: 467 31
CRC: 1 0
ES: 1 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 22 22
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Latest 15 minutes time = 12 min 55 sec
FEC: 2 2
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0
LOS: 0 0
LOF: 0 0
LOM: 0 0
Previous 15 minutes time = 15 min 0 sec
FEC: 0 0
CRC: 0 0
ES: 0 0
SES: 0 0
UAS: 0 0

Now, I do have Teksavvy looking into it, but does anyone have any ideas what could be going on? It's almost like congestion but that still doesn't explain why Steam would only download at 1.5/sec even when I get good bandwidth speedtests like right now at 23/2.8

# ? Mar 20, 2013 17:47

Nitr0: Aug 17, 2005; IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

You should pick a closer speedtest server. For example here's a test on a 200Mb line in toronto teksavvy.

Here's vancouver

Obviously you're testing with lower speeds but latency and distance can do funny things to a speedtest. Have you tried testing with any other means when you're having these problems?

# ? Mar 20, 2013 17:54

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Oh yes, I realize that the remoteness will certainly effect it. A closer server I get anywhere from 7-23 (23-ish being what it should be).

BUT, I JUST HAD A BRAINWAVE :psypop:

Remember those posts a week or two ago about making rules in the cmd prompt to get rid of IP ranges for making youtube run better? I am wondering if that could have anything to do with it.

How do you see what rules are in force via the command prompt and delete all of them?

# ? Mar 20, 2013 18:07

teethgrinder: Oct 9, 2002

Are you using Windows? They should just show up on the regular Windows Firewall gui.

But I strongly doubt that's affecting your speeds. (No harm in trying of course.)

# ? Mar 20, 2013 18:11

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Well, I just turned the firewall right off in the GUI instead of poking around. Got a spike of 1.8 mb/sec on steam but settled around 1.5 as before, so you're probably right.

Any ideas?

# ? Mar 20, 2013 18:26

Nitr0: Aug 17, 2005; IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

What server do you have picked in steam? is it seattle?

# ? Mar 20, 2013 18:27

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

I've tried Seattle, Seattle Comcast, Denver, Vancouver and San Jose.

Peak at 1.5~ish on all.

edit:

Current speedtest.net

is pretty much what it should be, but Steam is still about 1MB/Sec lower than it should be.

slidebite fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Mar 20, 2013

# ? Mar 20, 2013 18:34

Nitr0: Aug 17, 2005; IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

How fast does this download for you?

http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test

# ? Mar 20, 2013 18:54

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Getting expected speeds of approx 2.5 mb/sec which coincides with my "normal" speedtest results. I'll bookmark and test again later.

Is there some stupid Steam setting or something I'm missing?

slidebite fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 20, 2013

# ? Mar 20, 2013 19:50

John Capslocke: Jun 5, 2007

slidebite posted:

Getting expected speeds of approx 2.5 mb/sec which coincides with my "normal" speedtest results. I'll bookmark and test again later.

Is there some stupid Steam setting or something I'm missing?

Steam itself has ups and downs, or the content server you're on could be congested.

Go to Steam > Settings > Downloads + Cloud, and change the server to something geographically close to you

# ? Mar 20, 2013 23:13

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Yeah,

slidebite posted:

I thought it might be a Steam server issue, so I changed servers and no difference.

I've changed to 5 or 6 servers and they're all the same for me.

Are there any other settings I might be missing? Other than my server, my settings are the same as your screencap.

edit:
Holy poo poo, Steam pulls from a lot of places

slidebite fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 21, 2013

# ? Mar 21, 2013 01:46

Nitr0: Aug 17, 2005; IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

seems normal to me, maybe it's your router? What is it?

# ? Mar 21, 2013 03:41

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

It's a Teksavvy sourced Zyxel 1432 which worked like a champ for everything including Steam but yeah, I'm starting to run out of options and I'm stumped.

But you know, just as I made this screen shot, it's spiked up to 1.8 a few times (holy poo poo slow down I know)

Maybe it's just a glitch. I'll just check it periodically.

Edit: If I uninstall my steam client and reinstall a new one, would that gently caress up the games I have somehow?

double edit: Uninstalled and reinstalled. Same thing

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slidebite fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Mar 21, 2013

# ? Mar 21, 2013 04:27

Nitr0: Aug 17, 2005; IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE

pick seattle instead of vancouver, I don't even see those on the list

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/content/?l=english

# ? Mar 21, 2013 16:27

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Way ahead of you. Seattle, Seattle Comcast, Vancouver, Denver, San Jose, doesn't seem to make any difference.

I am genuinely confused since I can get full capacity in firefox (like that test you linked to earlier).

Edit: This is interesting. A dude on the Teksavvy forums of DSLR in the Shaw service area says he is having a similar problem. I wonder if there is something going on? :raise:

Can other Teksavvy people here help a brother out and check this too if you use Steam?

slidebite fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Mar 22, 2013

# ? Mar 22, 2013 00:47

Zigmidge: May 12, 2002; Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.

My steam downloads have always sucked, I don't know why. I've tried all the above in the past.

# ? Mar 22, 2013 05:18

DarkJC: Jul 6, 2010

Same here, across both Rogers and Teksavvy. I just assumed it was on Steam's end, never really had much time to spend to bother troubleshooting all of that. It's fast enough for me to not really care.

# ? Mar 22, 2013 07:13

Dudebro: Jan 1, 2010; I TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS

Haven't had a problem with getting top speeds on Steam. I use Distributel right now. You guys trying out different server locatoins on Steam?

# ? Mar 22, 2013 15:06

ZShakespeare: Jul 20, 2003; The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

I'm on teksavvy cable (shaw) in Burnaby and I routinely download from steam faster than my advertised 25Mbit on average.

# ? Mar 22, 2013 15:19

Squibbles: Aug 24, 2000; Mwaha ha HA ha!

ZShakespeare posted:

I'm on teksavvy cable (shaw) in Burnaby and I routinely download from steam faster than my advertised 25Mbit on average.

I pretty much cap out my 100mbps on shaw using Steam. Maybe Rogers is doing some throttling for Teksavvy?

# ? Mar 22, 2013 23:57

Zigmidge: May 12, 2002; Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.

Mine is Rogers TSI as well. On Bell TSI I was able to max out my pathetic connection at ~500KB/S but here the bandwidth monitor will jump from 0 to two digits KB/S for a few seconds, hit maybe 1MB/s for a quick moment and then drop to 0 for a while more to repeat the cycle.

# ? Mar 23, 2013 00:03

Powershift: Nov 23, 2009

I'm on shaw in red deer on 100mbit, and will only hit about 6MB/s on steam, and maintain 10MB/s on usenet.

# ? Mar 23, 2013 00:08

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

Not that anyone probably care a ton, I did a complete C: wipe and fresh windows reinstall (not due to this - been meaning to for other reasons). Still the same thing.

So, I guess that means it is likely network related. Oh well, not going to put any more time into it although if someone has an epiphany I'd be :allears:

# ? Mar 24, 2013 21:10

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

I SOLVED IT!!!!!! :w00t:

I have my windows updates set to manual, and I just remembered doing a "recommended driver update" for my wireless card about a couples weeks ago. Since I did a fresh re-install today, I paid close attention to all of my updates and one of them was for my Wireless ASUS card. Since I did all my windows updates before installing my software I didn't try Steam without it.

However, on a absolute hunch (because I tried everything else) I rolled back the driver to generic MS Railink driver 3.0.0.41 from Feb 2009 which was the default driver on Windows 7. And VOILA! Kick rear end downloads again! (well, for my ISP package!). My wifes PC has a similar wireless so I need to roll hers back now too.

It makes me wonder how many other people are in the same boat?

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# ? Mar 25, 2013 05:07

DarkJC: Jul 6, 2010

I had an unrelated problem recently (corrupted images in my browser as if they were only partially downloaded and corrupted downloads among other things), doing that same thing completely fixed my issue as well. Those new drivers are terrible.

# ? Mar 25, 2013 06:29

Dudebro: Jan 1, 2010; I TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS

gently caress wireless. I'd rather get a powerline adapter than go through the hassle of wireless, at least for my main computer and gaming one. But maybe I'm only saying this because my new place has given me a ton of problems with unstable wireless (my wireless was fine in my old place).

# ? Mar 25, 2013 15:53

slidebite: Nov 6, 2005; Good egg

DarkJC posted:

I had an unrelated problem recently (corrupted images in my browser as if they were only partially downloaded and corrupted downloads among other things), doing that same thing completely fixed my issue as well. Those new drivers are terrible.

You know, it's funny you mention that. I was noticing a similar thing too. I actually thought maybe my GTX 570 was starting to flake out, but I didn't have problems in games. I wonder if that's what it is too? If so, holy poo poo yeah, what terrible drivers.

Dudebro posted:

gently caress wireless. I'd rather get a powerline adapter than go through the hassle of wireless, at least for my main computer and gaming one. But maybe I'm only saying this because my new place has given me a ton of problems with unstable wireless (my wireless was fine in my old place).

Other than this I've actually had awesome luck with wireless. That said, I use a powerline adapter for my PS3 because, well, PS3 wireless is loving awful.. and I've had good luck with that. It works really well.

The most I see is 25-ish down so I'm not anywhere near the limits of wireless though.

# ? Mar 25, 2013 16:03