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Wasn't my intention, if that's how it felt. It just had little to do with anything.
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Nephilm posted:Wasn't my intention, if that's how it felt. It just had little to do with anything. Maybe you could be a little more informative, instead of throwing out one liners. On a related note, why is that different? I've forgotten the beginning.
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Mar 18, 2013 23:40
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Shroud posted:Maybe you could be a little more informative, instead of throwing out one liners. On a related note, why is that different? I've forgotten the beginning. Because Cardiac and Fried Chicken are talking about the implementation of terror tactics (spec. Night Lords), whereas what Mowglis brought up is product of social anarchy in the aftermath of a catastrophe. By way of analogy, it's as if we were discussing on whether Daemons eat, and someone brought up how they read in a book that kroot eat meat. Sure, it's talking about eating, but otherwise completely unrelated.
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Mar 18, 2013 23:48
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Thanks, I'd honestly forgotten the first part of The First Heretic - I was too excited for the roller coaster to start moving.
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Mar 19, 2013 00:33
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Mowglis Haircut posted:In the First Heretic it happens to Cyrene too after her city is bombed. Yeah. So that's what, out of 3 main characters that are women, 2 have rape as at least a part of their backstory and development? I haven't read Cadian Blood, and I guess you could argue that the Inquisitor in Emperor's Gift is a main character so that would be 2 out of 4 (more if there is a main woman in Cadian blood), but that is still kind of sketchy.
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Mar 19, 2013 02:21
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Was there any rape in the SoB books? I can't remember and it seems like when your subject is fetishized battle nuns that would hardly be a difficult way to go. Maybe I'm just a bad person but I don't get immediately offended if rape occurs in a story and it's not just completely exploitative and creepy. Basically, rape as character building device = potentially ok if cliched, rape as jack off material = universally bad.
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Mar 19, 2013 02:25
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berzerkmonkey posted:It has been mentioned that they are "chemically castrated" though. To be honest though, I don't know if that is still a current thing, or if it is one of those crazy Space Marine era things that really doesn't apply anymore though. I would think that castration would stop the testosterone production, and I don't imagine that is something that would be desired in a nine-foot killing machine. I think that's no longer canon. One of the devs from Relic's Space Marine had this to say elsewhere: quote:All of our art, and possibly our audio, went to GW for approval. I believe our writers also collaborated with GW to ensure the story fits within the universe. After all our work on DoW, GW has come to trust Relic somewhat with the story so we were given some leeway - for example, to create the Vengeance Launcher.
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Fried Chicken posted:Yeah. So that's what, out of 3 main characters that are women, 2 have rape as at least a part of their backstory and development? I haven't read Cadian Blood, and I guess you could argue that the Inquisitor in Emperor's Gift is a main character so that would be 2 out of 4 (more if there is a main woman in Cadian blood), but that is still kind of sketchy. What, are you trying to list all female "main characters" in 40k fiction? Because the only books in which female characters are explicitly the protagonists are, I think, Pariah and the Shira Calpurnia series. For the rest you're looking at dozens and dozens of female characters that can be considered main. Off the top of my head: - Every female member of Eisenhorn's warband. - Ditto Ravenor. - Cyerene and Octavia as mentioned. - Euphrati Keeler - That serf from Battle of the Fang - If you're arguing that the Inquisitor from Emperor's Gift, then you open floodgates vvv - Loyalist from Wrath of Iron. - The mechanicus liason too. - The mechanicus chick from the opposite faction in Titanicus. - The captain from Betrayer. - The princeps from Betrayer. - The adjuntant from Helsreach. - That woman from Brother's of the Snake. - Every loving book I have forgotten or haven't read.
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Mar 19, 2013 03:38
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orphean posted:Was there any rape in the SoB books? I can't remember and it seems like when your subject is fetishized battle nuns that would hardly be a difficult way to go. I read Faith and Fire. A psyker breaks one Sister's mind. A Confessor (or whatever you call them Ecclesiarch priests) is implied to have abused his charges. In one scene, some navy crew give the Sororitas dirty looks, but that's about it. But don't read Faith and Fire. It's bad.
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Mar 19, 2013 03:42
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Nephilm posted:By way of analogy, it's as if we were discussing on whether Daemons eat, and someone brought up how they read in a book that kroot eat meat. Sure, it's talking about eating, but otherwise completely unrelated. Speaking of eating, ADB has also had both the Night Haunter and Angron commit cannibalism.
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Sevatar too. Or was he just feeding people to crows? I forget.
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Nephilm posted:What, are you trying to list all female "main characters" in 40k fiction?
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Mar 19, 2013 15:30
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Arbite posted:Speaking of eating, ADB has also had both the Night Haunter and Angron commit cannibalism. I don't remember Angron doing it though. I can see him doing that once he is possessed and residing in his prison but I don't remember it.
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Mar 19, 2013 16:48
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berzerkmonkey posted:Happens in the new Ahriman book as well - a Space Wolf eats a witch's brains. But Space Marines are made to do that. They eat part of someone (usually the brain) in order to gain the target's thoughts and memories. It's like eating your opponent's heart to gain his bravery. I think it was in there second hand, like one of the dudes is on the radio and he's like "and now he's late again because he was busy eating the enemy. Yeah great, boss, real mature."
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Mar 19, 2013 18:59
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Cream_Filling posted:I think it was in there second hand, like one of the dudes is on the radio and he's like "and now he's late again because he was busy eating the enemy. Yeah great, boss, real mature." Betrayer spoiler: Nah, after he's possessed he scarfs down some Librarians he kills. It's right there.
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Mar 19, 2013 19:43
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Cream_Filling posted:I think it was in there second hand, like one of the dudes is on the radio and he's like "and now he's late again because he was busy eating the enemy. Yeah great, boss, real mature." I remember it happening right at the end when he's killing all the librarians and the dreadnought.
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ADB posted:Kharn resisted the urge to sigh."Where's Angron?" This earlier in the book, while fighting on Armatura. White Noise Marine fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Mar 20, 2013 |
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I actually finished rereading betrayer a few days ago. He does, indeed, eat the dead at the end in the last battle, and at the part quoted above me. On a slightly WH40k related note, I started to read the Flashman Papers, since I love everything about Cain. I am surprised that Cain isn't more like Flashman, since Flashman is absolutely a terrible human being. In the grim darkness of the future, you think they would have the more dastardly one, not the British Empire circa 1840's.
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Impaired Casing posted:I actually finished rereading betrayer a few days ago. He does, indeed, eat the dead at the end in the last battle, and at the part quoted above me. Actually, from reading both, I can really say that the style of the Cain memoires, and the coward/hero dynamic is Flashman, but other than that, I real get a more Blackadder feel from him. Also, stylistically it made sense. Whereas in the time, Victorian men were expected to be celibate, or at least faithful to their wives, heroic,religious or at least spiritual, honourable etc, you get Flashman who isn't. Meanwhile in the 40th millenia you're supposed to a horrible person, yet Cain is a decent one.
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The inquisitor books like Eisenhorn and the Gaunt's Ghosts books have some wild stuff but I'm repeatedly amazed at the things space marines get into in WH40k like brain eating and the like. 
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Trast posted:The inquisitor books like Eisenhorn and the Gaunt's Ghosts books have some wild stuff but I'm repeatedly amazed at the things space marines get into in WH40k like brain eating and the like. That is an aspect of Space Marines that authors should focus on more, actually; how divorced they usually are from baseline humanity. The net effect of a towering guy with aggressive tendencies amped up to 11 but held back most of the time by psych-conditioning, who can live to be 400, has 19 additional organs stuffed inside him, no interest in sex or romantic affection with any gender, eidetic memory and the ability to gather data from eating someone's flesh should be more than "He's just a sci-fi soldier everyman able to kick 200% more rear end".
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Sephyr posted:
EDIT: Ok, that varies, depending on the author. Apparently the BA Codex mentions Blood Angels as living up to 1000 years, barring them falling to the Red Thirst. Though there have been references to SMs living far longer than that. berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 22, 2013 |
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Yeah, I think Dante is supposed to be what- 1100 or 1200 years old? I think he's the oldest non-chaos, non-dreadnought SM. With the way poo poo's going though, they'll eventually kick out a bunch of magical 10,000 year old dark angels or grey knights that have to eat psychic toddlers every day to stay young. You know, for the emperor. The grimmest, darkest emperor.
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Space Marines can effectively live forever, its the constant being shot at by aliens and other space marines that stop them.
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Jerkface posted:Space Marines can effectively live forever, its the constant being shot at by aliens and other space marines that stop them. They do age, though. There eventually comes a point where they aren't as fast or vigorous as when they became full battle brothers, and it only slowly but progressively gets worse from there on.
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In the Eye of Terror book a Dark Angel (Not Fallen) is 10k years old. Though he survived the heresy up to the 41st by being mostly in suspended animation and travelling through space unhindered.
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How fast the ageing process is seems to vary between chapters. For instance, Logan Grimnar is seven hundred years old and looks it, whilst Dante could easily pass for thirty despite being five centuries older.
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Darth Walrus posted:How fast the ageing process is seems to vary between chapters. For instance, Logan Grimnar is seven hundred years old and looks it, whilst Dante could easily pass for thirty despite being five centuries older.
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The mask dispenses Oil of Olay. From the neck down, he's a wrinkled, leathery mess.
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:The mask dispenses Oil of Olay. From the neck down, he's a wrinkled, leathery mess. Of course, this being grimdark, the oil of olay is made from baby fat. As in the fat from actual babies. (Didn't I read that the juvenat drugs that give the Imperial rich and powerful long life are made from babies somewhere?)
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Jerkface posted:Space Marines can effectively live forever, its the constant being shot at by aliens and other space marines that stop them. Bjorn the Fell Hand says what ever to that and to wake him next time Magnus needs to be oval office punted back into the warp. Granted Bjorn might be the exception to the rule as he might be one of the last surviving people who have actual seen and walked with the Emperor.
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EyeRChris posted:Bjorn the Fell Hand says what ever to that and to wake him next time Magnus needs to be oval office punted back into the warp. I'd really like some development on the whole Cypher storyline, honestly. Bjorn is loving awesome, and never has he been more badass than in The Emperor's Gift when everyone basically falls over backwards to tell him how honoured they are and he just goes "oh loving poo poo dude, stand up, you're embarrassing me."
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You know, I hadn't really read much Space Wolves stuff- it wasn't that I didn't like them but their really outspoken furry fans just turned me off. I liked the idea of the Grey Knights but then the new codex and stupid fluff bullshit came out about them and I'm guessing as others here have speculated- ADB was probably frustrated with their changes as well. Going into The Emperor's Gift, I was interested to see how he'd handle their new superdupergrimness and I think he did the best he could with them but as someone mentioned a couple of pages ago- between the facemelting amazingness of Logan Grimnar and Bjorn, I came out the other end of the book just wanting an entire Wolves' novel by ADB and not really caring if I read anything else about the GK again.
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:You know, I hadn't really read much Space Wolves stuff- it wasn't that I didn't like them but their really outspoken furry fans just turned me off. I liked the idea of the Grey Knights but then the new codex and stupid fluff bullshit came out about them and I'm guessing as others here have speculated- ADB was probably frustrated with their changes as well. Going into The Emperor's Gift, I was interested to see how he'd handle their new superdupergrimness and I think he did the best he could with them but as someone mentioned a couple of pages ago- between the facemelting amazingness of Logan Grimnar and Bjorn, I came out the other end of the book just wanting an entire Wolves' novel by ADB and not really caring if I read anything else about the GK again. Read Prospero Burns and Battle for the Fang.
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:You know, I hadn't really read much Space Wolves stuff- it wasn't that I didn't like them but their really outspoken furry fans just turned me off. This was my exact same thought before I read Prospero Burns. Abnett did a really good job rebranding the Space Wolves from wolf fetishists to Space Vikings. Well, at least in the 31st millennium they didn't take the wolf part too literally.
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Demiurge4 posted:I'd really like some development on the whole Cypher storyline, honestly. This story is pretty fun, if not necessarily official fluff: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Bjorn
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Nephilm posted:Read Prospero Burns and Battle for the Fang. Yeah, I think I'm going to have to do that.
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I thought the Ragnar series of Space Wolves books weren't that bad, I was entertained. Definitely not up to the HH books though.
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EyeRChris posted:Granted Bjorn might be the exception to the rule as he might be one of the last surviving people who have actual seen and walked with the Emperor. There's an entire Eye of Terror full of individuals who saw and (metaphorically) walked with the Emperor, it's just that most of them won't tell you the things that loyalists want to hear about that. 
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Just finished Death of Antagonis. It was basically bolter porn about a schism that happens in a company of an unknown chapter that has some weird mutations. I started it expecting it to be bad like Soul Drinkers, but it was surprisingly okay, and decently written. It's not on the level of Abnett/ADB, but still a cut above your average bolter porn. It was decent enough that I'm moderately curious to read some other stuff from the same author. If you don't have much reading time you can skip it. If you're at a dearth for 40k novels and have already read everything Abnett/ADB have put out, it's all right.
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