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Radical Griff posted:I honestly don't even like using Snopes anymore because they just say "It's run by a Liberal so it's biased and untrue" and then I realize it's a lost cause. Simple solution, use the info from snopes without saying where you originally got it from, then link to the sources that snopes nearly always lists. Same as using wikipedia: use the article as a starting point and then only show the citations on hte page if anyone calls you on your data.
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myron cope posted:It's the same thing as welfare (or anything else, really) in that anecdotes are more powerful than data. They once knew a union worker who took 3 hour breaks! And his boss couldn't fire him! So clearly ALL union people are that way. Just lazy people sucking money out of the precious job creators ( There's two people in my experience who tend to be especially anti-union, as opposed to feeling that unions need to be reformed in some way due to perceived leeches in the ranks, or believe that the only moral union is their own: business owners who want to get away with paying their workers in beans, and those who work in the tech industry. With the latter, there's some hope. The jobs are still so plentiful and well-paying that many are led think unions aren't necessary. Couple this with a total lack of labor history being taught in our schools (public or private), and you have a whole class of people who completely take their working conditions and employee rights for granted. Education is certainly a helpful way of reminding these people that employers historically don't treat workers fairly out of the goodness of their own hearts.
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Gen. Ripper posted:Vaccines grandpa just posted this: Wait, you mean animals that don't taste sweet, and animals that look for metabolizable chemicals to eat won't eat something designed to be sweet, but indigestible? Shocking!
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Mr Darcy posted:Simple solution, use the info from snopes without saying where you originally got it from, then link to the sources that snopes nearly always lists. Same as using wikipedia: use the article as a starting point and then only show the citations on hte page if anyone calls you on your data. They will just say the researchers had liberal bias. You can't win with these people. It's You know whoever coined the phrase liberal bias sure had a foolproof idea.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Couple this with a total lack of labor history being taught in our schools (public or private), and you have a whole class of people who completely take their working conditions and employee rights for granted. Education is certainly a helpful way of reminding these people that employers historically don't treat workers fairly out of the goodness of their own hearts. I know a couple of anti-union people and their responses for why they dislike unions are one of two things. The first is "Unions used to be good, but they don't serve any purpose now so there's no reason to have them anymore." The second (which sometimes goes along with the first) is "Unions are corrupt and greedy and raise dues when the members get a raise so that the effect of their raise is negated so they're no better off than before." Education doesn't seem to work either as they will invariably fall back on the first response if you show them the good that unions do.
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I've also seen a couple anti-union working Randroids who argue that unions cater to the lowest denominator and that they could totally get better terms if they negotiated a separate contract. I'm not sure how best to answer them other than a)You really should be able to negotiate a separate contract, let me know how it goes, and b) It ain't the union's fault that they can't negotiate a separate contract, blame the Taft-Hartley Act.
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I literally support every piece of bureaucracy he's bitching about, how is that for being a pinko-commie?
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Skeevy Mcgee posted:So, big government and liberal special interest groups save the world from a vengeful God? Government regulations keep people from dying needlessly. Yea, that's about right I suppose.
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Skeevy Mcgee posted:So, big government and liberal special interest groups save the world from a vengeful God? rear end in a top hat Randian God gives you six months instead of 120 years to build an ark? Also he welshes on the whole never flooding the earth thing again. You know, what the rainbow is supposed to represent? Wait a second... is this Noah guy just getting scammed? I bet this "God" commanded him to get rid of all his worthless fiat money and fill the ark with GOLD. Ugh. Being a super-liberal Christian makes you crazy over the silliest inconsistencies.
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This Noah guy got one hell of a giant backyard, but maybe he should hook up with the guys trying to fund an ark over at Kickstarter? You know, to make it some kind of zoo, just without all that natural habitat thing or enough light to make those poor critters' lives bearable.
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13stitches posted:This Noah guy got one hell of a giant backyard, but maybe he should hook up with the guys trying to fund an ark over at Kickstarter? You know, to make it some kind of zoo, just without all that natural habitat thing or enough light to make those poor critters' lives bearable.  Come visit Animal Cruelty Land! Bring your kids! See the exotic wildlife trapped in tiny pens in the dark depths of a giant fake boat! Hear their pitiful cries as they beg for the sweet release of death! This exciting entertainment experience can be yours if people just give us 1.5 million dollars, for which they will receive basically nothing in return!
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Reading that email, I was also very glad that God saw all the horrible government bureaucracy and decided that instead of killing all human beings on the Earth except for the passengers and crew of one single boat, he spared everyone. The email obviously argues that the more suffocating and stultifying bureaucracy that is built up by humans, the greater is the favor of God towards those humans on this Earth.
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Radical Griff posted:I literally support every piece of bureaucracy he's bitching about, how is that for being a pinko-commie? Restricting building height and similar zoning restrictions tend to exist to avoid cheaper and denser buildings such as apartment buildings, which serves to keep out less affluent and otherwise "different" people. I'd argue that this is a case where the free market would produce a far superior result.
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Radical Griff posted:I literally support every piece of bureaucracy he's bitching about, how is that for being a pinko-commie?
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My high school guidance counselor just shared a pro-Joe Arpaio thing  How does this guy have supporters? He's such a hateful cruel man!
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Because he's hateful and cruel towards the 'right' kind of people?
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Exactly. He's hateful and cruel the way they want to be but are too cowardly to express in public (because they still have a shred of decency and/or shame).
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Sir Rolo posted:The week in LL101: The LL101 justification is pretty funny as well. Apparently they think she was taking a lunchtime power walk or something. 
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This isn't an e-mail, but the women in the cube aisle behind me have decided that today is full retard FreeRepublic day. Just nonstop people in real life regurgitating the dumbest poo poo you've ever heard online or saw in Facebook image form. Gems today: ".. and Darwin recanted all of his research and his theory on his deathbed, he didn't even believe it!" "I don't understand how the constitution is a living document that grows to protect cellphone calls and text messages, but the 2nd amendment doesn't protect ownership of new, modern guns" "And I had to explain to my 7 year old about a transsexual man, and it was just like REALLY!?" *group of them erupts in groans and unveiled disgust and hatred* The benefits of home school because of liberal propaganda in schools, pledge of allegiance, and yeah, I have no idea where this came from, I've been here for a year and BAM.
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Saw the below posted on FB today. So tempted to post back and say, "Okay, we spent $50 billion on foreign aid in 2011. So let's put $50 billion back in the budget, and let's go ahead and cut off visas for legal immigrants. Shucks, let's assume we can block all illegal immigrants and triple the cost of all our food, but ignore that for a sec. Are you really telling me that not only will we have enough money now to take care of the social ills you mentioned--but you'll also drop your teaparty bootstraps bullshit instead of asking WHY ARE MY TAX DOLLARS FEEDING LAZY HOMELESS AND CRAZIES?"
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What, exactly, are all these entitlements we are handing out to illegal immigrants?
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I Am The Scum posted:What, exactly, are all these entitlements we are handing out to illegal immigrants? Weren't you reading all the other posts in this thread? If you would have done so you would know that illegal immigrants get Social Security, MediCare and Food Stamps. You know, all those things you could easily get as an illegal immigrant.
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Mar 25, 2013 22:30
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Don't forget they get all the best jobs, like janitors and meat packing plant workers.
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And free college tuition!
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Well one of them DID become president.
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They aren't thrown onto the street when they go to the ER. That's the only actual thing that resembles an entitlement.
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They aren't lynched on the spot. If only the South would have won the war of northern aggression we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Dr Christmas posted:They aren't thrown onto the street when they go to the ER. That's the only actual thing that resembles an entitlement. Real Americans pay cash up front for their heart attacks or kidney stones.
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Internet Webguy posted:Reporterette accuses senatorette of avoiding question. Whenever people add -ette to job titles I can't help but think of this paper: http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html Reporteroon accuses Senatoon of avoiding question. Will Presidentoon Obama finally admit to wrongdoing in Benghazi?
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Whenever people add -ette to job titles I can't help but think of this paper: Holy gently caress is that real? quote:Most of the clamor,as you certainly know by now, revolves around the age-old usage of the noun "white" and words built from it, such as chairwhite, mailwhite, repairwhite, clergywhite, middlewhite, Frenchwhite, forewhite, whitepower, whiteslaughter, oneupuwhiteship, straw white, whitehandle, and so on. The negrists claim that using the word "white," either on its own or as a component, to talk about all the members of the human species is somehow degrading to blacks and reinforces racism.
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katlington posted:Holy gently caress is that real? I've never seen this before and it's absolutely amazing.
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katlington posted:Holy gently caress is that real? Don't read this before finishing the person paper, it's worth reading the whole thing: It's satire. It takes place in a parallel universe where they use terms like Chairwhite/Chairblack instead of Chairman/Chairwoman. If you look, there's absolutely no differentiation between genders in the entire paper. Edit: One of my favorite lines is: Our forebosses who framed the Declaration of Independence well understood the poetry of our language. Dr. Arbitrary fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Mar 26, 2013 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Don't read this before finishing the person paper, it's worth reading the whole thing: All whites are created equal. *record scratch*
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Restricting building height and similar zoning restrictions tend to exist to avoid cheaper and denser buildings such as apartment buildings, which serves to keep out less affluent and otherwise "different" people. I'd argue that this is a case where the free market would produce a far superior result. Sorry for the late response, but I take issue with this. Seeing as how race relations are still as...sticky...as they are in America, I would argue that the free market would make things even worse for minorities. Sure, if one realtor won't sell to a black family, the "free market will correct" (theoretically, I take issue with this too), but a free market in real estate would only serve to re-segregate parts of this country.
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Radical Griff posted:Sorry for the late response, but I take issue with this. One need only look at housing practices in Detroit before white flight really took off to see how a free market system would pan out.
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Radical Griff posted:Sorry for the late response, but I take issue with this. You are jumping to a very different interpretation of free market here though, what I am saying is that building restrictions are a rather unsubtle way of segregating. If it was possible to build apartment complexes in the suburb sprawl it would happen, since busing in cheap labor to tend your lawn is inefficient. I am not suggesting that realtors should be allowed to discriminate. White flight and the like is enabled by regulation, rather than being the result of the free market.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:I am not suggesting that realtors should be allowed to discriminate. Then you're not really talking about the Free Market. Cybernetic Vermin posted:White flight and the like is enabled by regulation, rather than being the result of the free market. It's enabled by racism, which, although it shocks many Libertarians, isn't exclusive to big government. Getting rid of regulations does nothing for the racist bent in this country.
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Radical Griff posted:Then you're not really talking about the Free Market. You are just being dense now, I am saying that competitive forces would do a better job of aiding an egalitarian society in the case of zoning building heights. The fact that I used the term "free market" to express that does not entitle you to a strawman about allowing realtors to ban black peoples from buying houses. Noting that not all regulation is good is not the same as being libertarian.
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