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The first edited equality picture I saw on Facebook was the twin-AR picture; I replied with enthusiasm that: "all gun purchases SHOULD be equal; background checks for everyone, no exceptions. A Good Picture." The whole picture and corny thread was deleted. So job done.
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King Dopplepopolos posted:I haven't seen much anti-gay nonsense on my FB feed. The most prolific nonsense, however, has been of this variety. That's what I thought when it came across my wall. yaleforks posted:I don't even....  It's the old canard "democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for lunch" and made racist and sexist, holy gently caress.
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Mar 28, 2013 05:16
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yaleforks posted:I don't even.... 4 votes to 1 the group decided to go with black jackets instead of grey. A good picture?
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Dradien posted:So I kind of got dragged into this facebook argument with a guy that's an utter gun freak. He plays the victim all the time, and sticks gun related images into whatever he can. I'm sure you've all seen the equality profile picture going around? Well, he has one with two guns. Well, you've got a lot of potential angles you could focus on because he kind of scattershot a handful of arguments at you. It helps to break them down and address them individually, though if you want to save time you could focus on one particular aspect of avoid the minutiae and focus on the broader premise. I'll separate the points out more or less from his last post: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to arm people in order to prevent future tyranny. Good luck fighting a tyrannically controlled military in possession of unmanned drones and tanks with your handgun and rifle I guess? The second amendment seems to do a piss poor job of protecting people from whatever nebulous undefined form of tyranny your friend is afraid of in the modern day, so I'd probably just ask him to specify what indicators he thinks would be enough to justify a violent uprising against the U.S. government as supported by his Second Amendment rights to fight tyrants. A CDC comparison of how often firearms are used for self-defense versus for murder. I'd ask for a source on this before going any further, because I'm not finding much in regards to CDC reports. There are a number of studies on this issue that conflict in methodology, sampling and conclusions, so this definitely doesn't seem to be clear cut. A comparison of rifle deaths versus knives, hands, feet, and clubs. Correct, rifles make up a small section of weapons used in homicides. All those other weapons are also generally only lethal within a distance of a few feet. This distinction matters when we're talking about protecting innocent lives in public places, though I would agree that rifles would probably not be my first priority with regards to firearms restrictions, because... Handguns make up the majority of firearms deaths, a majority of these deaths being gang related.  I can't vouch for the gang related aspect and you should definitely ask for a source on that one, but the numbers are pretty clear; it's almost a total majority of homicides for just handguns, not simply among firearms but among all methods. This would probably be where I would personally suggest we should focus our efforts as a nation: reducing handgun violence, however we can. What part of 'shall not be infringed' don't people understand? Should felons be allowed to keep and bear arms then? What about people who are mentally ill? Shall not be infringed, right? yaleforks posted:I don't even.... Reminds me of this comic: 
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Mar 28, 2013 05:40
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yaleforks posted:I don't even.... This is it. The right-wing has come full circle and is now letting their racism and sexism override their propaganda about  FREEDOM . Expect open praise for authoritarianism and dictatorship to follow.
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Mar 28, 2013 05:42
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yaleforks posted:I don't even.... What is this trying to say? Am I not seeing it because I'm on my phone?
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Mar 28, 2013 05:42
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myron cope posted:What is this trying to say? Am I not seeing it because I'm on my phone? " Oh sure, they'll say that's not what it means if you call them on it, but it's clearly what the dogwhistle is. Amarkov fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Mar 28, 2013 |
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Mar 28, 2013 05:47
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It's the old "two wolves and a sheep vote on what's for dinner" thing, except with rape. e:fb. Maybe they really just want to buy the nice lady some of those pretty flowers, and then get some delicious waffles at that breakfast place. Lonely Swedish fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Mar 28, 2013 |
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Mar 28, 2013 05:48
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Basically it's using racism to try to prop up the "We're a Republic, not a democracy!:byodame" statement, which is a favorite of conservatives/libertarians when the public is beginning to disagree with their viewpoints.
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Mar 28, 2013 06:09
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:4 votes to 1 the group decided to go with black jackets instead of grey. A good picture? Fuckin Steve is always a grey jacket holdout, it's most likely just because his family owns a grey jacket store though.
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Mar 28, 2013 06:13
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yaleforks posted:Another from the same wall... For some reason I'm skeptical that he ever said that.  I much prefer an actual quote by Krugman: From this Op piece in 2011. Bonus points if you actually get people to discuss John Rawls or the philosophical concepts he elaborated on in the context of society today.
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Mar 28, 2013 06:40
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Well, I don't have pics because she deleted it, but my sister posted a Joe Arpaio bit to facebook, and I managed to show her how awful he is (the dog-killing story.) She deleted it because she doesn't want to support people who do terrible things. 
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Mar 28, 2013 07:18
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Mo_Steel posted:For some reason I'm skeptical that he ever said that. Thanks a ton for posting this. Rawls was my favorite guy I ever read in the political philosophy-ish class I took in law school. Of course I then immediately forgot everything about him.
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Mar 28, 2013 08:00
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Got another, not such a happy ending... (Im cat-pic.)  Just glad he wasnt my friend...
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Mar 28, 2013 12:15
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Agents are GO! posted:Got another, not such a happy ending... That's just a thumbnail, dude. edit: Not sure what's going on, but it appears to be something with the Great Firewall of China. Doesn't work in Firefox or Chrome unless I use a proxy. But the host doesn't appear to be blocked. Weird. VideoTapir fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Mar 28, 2013 |
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Mar 28, 2013 12:20
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VideoTapir posted:That's just a thumbnail, dude. Works fine for me - try clicking for the full size (might depend on your browser)
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Mar 28, 2013 12:28
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Yeah, I used the timg tag, just click it.
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Mar 28, 2013 12:29
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Agents are GO! posted:Got another, not such a happy ending... Oh man, he even said "are country" That's gold.
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Mar 28, 2013 12:33
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Until I saw this thread I had no idea there's a anti-equality facebook image too. I guess the people on my friend list aren't that bad after all..
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Mar 28, 2013 12:56
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Troll Bridgington posted:Oh man, he even said "are country" I didnt even notice that, wonder if he's trolling?
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Mar 28, 2013 13:03
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Does anyone have a handy reply for that "you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots" list? I told the guy it was bullshit, and he actually seemed to want me to show him why, but I am also incredibly lazy. Here's the list, for reference: quote:1. If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally,… you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.
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quote:1. If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally,… you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots. People get arrested and deported all the time for illegal immigration. quote:3. If you have to show identification to board an airplane, cash a check, buy liquor, or check out a library book, but not to vote, … you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots. You don't need a picture ID to get a library card, and I'm going to guess everything I got that he supported the Department of Homeland Security after 9/11, which is why you need ID to board airplanes. quote:4. If the government wants to ban stable, law-abiding citizens from owning gun magazines with more than ten rounds, but gives 20 F-16 fighter jets to the crazy new leaders in Egypt, you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots. The intricacies of international politics aren't exactly gonna be accessible to Joe the Plumber. Also domestic gun control doesn't have anything to do with Egypt. quote:10. If hard work and success are met with higher taxes and more government intrusion, while not working is rewarded with EBT cards, WIC checks, Medicaid, subsidized housing, and free cell phones,… you might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots. gently caress whoever wrote this. Also, some of the Founders were pretty looney. They're not biblical figures or anything. Ugh.
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Agents are GO! posted:Got another, not such a happy ending... I just wanted to point out that I have been to the middle east for two years of my life, and those dudes are always kissing and holding hands. Man-love Thursdays is a real thing over there, but I never saw anyone get stoned to death.
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I made it through almost all of yesterday without a single post from anyone I know against gay marriage; but then my Uncle must have decided to log on. My wife changed her FB photo to the equality symbol, and being that her dad is gay it's a given that she's sympathetic to gay rights. Here's the resulting discussion:My Wife posted:Profile Pictures SomeGuyMyWifeGamesWith posted:So what is that symbol? My Wife posted:Equality for marriage. My Uncle posted:Legal marriage is for a man and woman only. The rest should be tolerated but not endorsed by society. Natas Dog posted:And here I thought i was going to make it through the whole day without seeing a bigoted post over this decision on Facebook. Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity My Uncle posted:The sanctity of marriage is a gift from god. What is being argued comes down to what are we as a nation willing to endorse both spiritually and financially as a society. How people choose to live is entirely their business. To each his or her own. Its when someone's else's vision of what's right or wrong becomes the argument that we find ourselves intolerant of thoughts outside our own. Natas Dog posted:Much like your views on gay marriage, I believe that brand of bigotry should be tolerated but not endorsed by society. Bigotry hiding behind the Bible is still bigotry.
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U.S. Barryl posted:I just wanted to point out that I have been to the middle east for two years of my life, and those dudes are always kissing and holding hands. Man-love Thursdays is a real thing over there, but I never saw anyone get stoned to death. I am relatively certain that the Gulf is the gayest place on the planet. Not that they're not hideously repressive towards homosexuality, just that they have a really weird and specific definition of what it is.
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Agents are GO! posted:Got another, not such a happy ending... Attention citizen, you have reached your allotment of freedoms for your lifetime. You must wait till the national zeitgeist changes on its own before receiving additional freedom. I hate it when people say we should be grateful for what we have. That may be true but it doesn't preclude you from working for more.
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U.S. Barryl posted:I just wanted to point out that I have been to the middle east for two years of my life, and those dudes are always kissing and holding hands. Man-love Thursdays is a real thing over there, but I never saw anyone get stoned to death. Rocked to death. 
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Mar 28, 2013 16:05
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Radical Griff posted:You don't need a picture ID to get a library card, and I'm going to guess everything I got that he supported the Department of Homeland Security after 9/11, which is why you need ID to board airplanes. That particular measure was introduced after the Bojinka Plot http://www.justiceblind.com/airplanes.html quote:In 1996, President Clinton established new security mechanisms at the nation's airports. They included not allowing passengers to board planes without a government issued photo ID that matched the name on the ticket, increases in random passenger and cargo searches, a temporary ban on parked cars near terminals, and temporary discontinuation of curbside check-in. Also Vice President Al Gore would head a Commission on Aviation Safety and Security that would recommend permanent changes to airport security. According to Richard Clarke this Commission requested and got funding for programs involving baggage screening, carry on luggage checks, passenger profiling, screener training, research on aircraft hardening, and to hire more FAA security agents. It did not agree to recommend that the federal government assume the role of airport passenger and luggage screening ... It was clear even at the time that the Gore Commission had not been sufficiently ambitious about the job of airport security and passenger screening (p. 130).
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AKA Pseudonym posted:That particular measure was introduced after the Bojinka Plot Goodness, I stand corrected. How was Clinton such a good President, nobody even talks about him anymore. The guy was kicking rear end, if anyone deserved a little adultery, it was him. Wish I could've voted for him 
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1stGear posted:Attention citizen, you have reached your allotment of freedoms for your lifetime. You must wait till the national zeitgeist changes on its own before receiving additional freedom. Not to mention the fact that pretty much all of the freedoms that people 'should be grateful for' currently are the result of tons of hard work and struggle in the past. Black people not being slaves took a war. Women being able to vote took a serious social movement. Black people having equal rights to white people took one of the largest civil society movements in history. And at every point there were people like that guy saying "Black people should be happy we're giving them food and shelter; women should be happy they live in a country where they're not still literally property; black people should be happy they're not slaves anymore" and so on.
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Mar 28, 2013 17:52
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Radical Griff posted:Goodness, I stand corrected. Clinton began the whole "new democrat" thing where taking swings at New Deal programs is okay, Clinton kind of sucks, but as always, the alternative is terrifying.
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Mar 28, 2013 18:08
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Amused to Death posted:Clinton began the whole "new democrat" thing where taking swings at New Deal programs is okay, Clinton kind of sucks, but as always, the alternative is terrifying. Crime rates plummeted (and were at a 26 year low by the time he left office) and his gun control policies decreased gun crime by 40% by 2001. He also retooled the military to post Cold-War effectiveness, and if Bush had paid attention to any of the Clinton administration's terrorism reports, 9/11 would have almost certainly been prevented. He wasn't perfect, but he's probably the best Democrat in Presidential Office in recent history.
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Radical Griff posted:Crime rates plummeted (and were at a 26 year low by the time he left office) and his gun control policies decreased gun crime by 40% by 2001. He also retooled the military to post Cold-War effectiveness, and if Bush had paid attention to any of the Clinton administration's terrorism reports, 9/11 would have almost certainly been prevented. He stumped for Three Strikes laws, which are pretty much The War on Drugs on steroids. Your move!
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Mar 28, 2013 18:49
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He loving gutted welfare in a way that makes Reagan seem compassionate, but who cares that only affected minorities.
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Radical Griff posted:Crime rates plummeted (and were at a 26 year low by the time he left office) and his gun control policies decreased gun crime by 40% by 2001. He also retooled the military to post Cold-War effectiveness, and if Bush had paid attention to any of the Clinton administration's terrorism reports, 9/11 would have almost certainly been prevented. His gun control plan didn't do dick to the gun crime rate, unless 40% of gun crime was drive-by bayonetings. Also it helped the Republicans take over in the house.
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I used to be afraid of living in a vacuum chamber of only talking to people who share my same opinion on things, but I have no problem defriending people who say gay people shouldn't get married. "Let me know when the police start fire hosing them down the streets and releasing k-9 police dogs on them. then you can start comparing the two." See ya!
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ultimateforce posted:I used to be afraid of living in a vacuum chamber of only talking to people who share my same opinion on things, but I have no problem defriending people who say gay people shouldn't get married. I stick around to call them bigots at every opportunity; it's more fun for me that way.
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