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Patter Song posted:The World Stage website is now down. Those of you that didn't already grab World Stage might be out of luck. Aw shucks  Is this the end of Paradox letting modders make games off their engine? I'd hate to see it end like this. I think the modders just need to be vetted more. Maybe some kind of psychological exam.
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Actually, there is still a working link to the demo; http://www.world-stage.net/Downloads/Demo.aspx Click the link there and after a few hours you'll have 500 MB of crap.
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Apr 5, 2013 18:21
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DrProsek posted:Actually, there is still a working link to the demo; The site seems to be back in general. Guess he was just overwhelmed by the number of people trying to download this masterpiece.
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Apr 5, 2013 18:27
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Patter Song posted:The site seems to be back in general. Guess he was just overwhelmed by the number of people trying to download this masterpiece. Someone must be watching this thread because now the link I provided is down too  . Paradox why are you trying to suppress this work of art, are you afraid?(NOTE: This is a joke)
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Apr 5, 2013 18:29
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Do I get rights to the Clausewitz engine if I download the demo? I've always wanted to be a game developer.
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Apr 5, 2013 18:33
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Keisari posted:Do I get rights to the Clausewitz engine if I download the demo? I've always wanted to be a game developer.
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Apr 5, 2013 18:44
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Don't worry Keisari, I'll be able to get you the rights to Clausewitz as soon as my lawsuit to give me sole ownership of Steam goes through and I'll have all the moneys ever! I mean, I don't recall the Steam EULA saying I DON'T own Steam....
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Apr 5, 2013 18:50
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Westminster System posted:I'm sure the potential successes (Like Darkest Hour) more than outweigh the risks involved. Yeah I'm pretty sure they've said (Maybe even in this thread) that whatever problems MMtG caused, they've had a lot of success with things like Darkest Hour and don't plan on stopping the policy itself. I do imagine they'll be a bit choosier though.
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ZearothK posted:Pretty much, here are the juicier bits translated by a human machine.  Didn't Ubik never have any rights to anything? I mean, his entire company was created by Paradox and they just gave all this poo poo to him for free and for a specific reason. Does Ubik even have a controlling interest over "his" company? Fister Roboto posted:Jomini Engine would be more apt, wouldn't it? ThePutty posted:Still holding out that snake Bohemia/Poland/Lithuania won't happen in EU4. Maybe Wiz will work his magic on the AI. I'm also afraid of clicking on the new EU4 DD because Anna Karenina. I had to read that poo poo in three days in college. Not even once.
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Apr 5, 2013 19:28
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Turns out that when your country consists of one lightly-defended city under siege and in terrible danger of annexation, you're an underdog in trade. 
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Patter Song posted:Turns out that when your country consists of one lightly-defended city under siege and in terrible danger of annexation, you're an underdog in trade. I'm surprised that Ubik didn't use a set of similarly obscure adjectives to describe the blockade level.
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Patter Song posted:Turns out that when your country consists of one lightly-defended city under siege and in terrible danger of annexation, you're an underdog in trade. I love how all the incredibly important variables in World Stage are only expressed with vague adjectives. Was the mod Magna Mundi actually any good, or was it just good in that it fixed some of the problems with early-mid EUIII that Paradox later fixed themselves? People seem to be saying the latter.
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brocretin posted:Was the mod Magna Mundi actually any good, or was it just good in that it fixed some of the problems with early-mid EUIII that Paradox later fixed themselves? People seem to be saying the latter. Even up to HTTT, Magna Mundi improved on vanilla in a lot of ways. It had a pretty good concept behind it (make EU3 behave in more historically-plausible ways) and integrated lots of different features that improved the game in various ways. It also included a few terrible and/or very poorly-implemented features (FRAMED!, three different piracy systems, pointless province decision micromanagement, etc.). Not coincidentally, those tended to be the features Ubik was individually responsible for (most of the good parts of Magna Mundi were the work of other people, Ubik just gets credit for integrating and managing everything). That said, even at its best it could be a bit of a bloated mess. I played Magna Mundi over vanilla for quite some time, but nowadays I vastly prefer Wiz's EU3+ and would really have a hard time going back to Magna Mundi.
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Fintilgin posted:This. I posted about in the old thread, but he literally used to keep a file of quotes on anyone who criticized him or Magna Mundi and would mock them in a special thread on the Paradox forums. Magan Mundi Sucks!!  I'm honored to have been quoted in that thread. Riso posted:Paradox gamers are not grognards They existed. The general population certainly wasn't, but if you played a shitload of HoI2 back in the day as I did, you'd probably have seen the works of a one Blue Emu who is as close to a grognard as any paradox gamer will ever be. Hyord fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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elf help book posted:Is there a recommended beginner's guide to EU3? If you're not adverse to LPs this is a really good beginners guide by our very own Kersch. http://lparchive.org/Europa-Universalis-III-Divine-Wind/
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brocretin posted:I love how all the incredibly important variables in World Stage are only expressed with vague adjectives.
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Apr 5, 2013 21:23
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Flython posted:If you're not adverse to LPs this is a really good beginners guide by our very own Kersch. No problem with LPs if they are good ones, that's cool with me. Thanks.
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James The 1st posted:The faction and HRE stuff were some pretty good ideas. Pretty much most other stuff was tedious crap.
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brocretin posted:Was the mod Magna Mundi actually any good, or was it just good in that it fixed some of the problems with early-mid EUIII that Paradox later fixed themselves? People seem to be saying the latter. Everything that was taken from all the other mini mods was fantastic. the HRE mod Sacra Romanum Imperium was fantastic, the religious mod Dei Gratia was excellent, Strannik's map made the game pretty, and numerous other little things made the mod pretty revolutionary when it was first released, if not a bit of a bloated mess. Now that nothing it does is revolutionary anymore, its just a bloated mess. Paradox definitely took a LOT of their improvements in expansions from ideas that were in Magna Mundi. This is not to say Ubik has contributed anything to EU3, because all the GOOD work from Magna Mundi was done by people like dharper and Helius.
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So I'm playing EUIII+ as Italy and have been best buddies in the whole wide world with Burgundy for quite some time. I'm due to have a personal union with them that'll make the rest of the game laughably easy in a couple of months. Should I console command up an heir to their throne, or begin my ascent into stupid-high levels of power? (I kind of want to focus on conquering the Balkans and wiping out the last bits of Catholicism there rather than just conquering everything)
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James The 1st posted:The faction and HRE stuff were some pretty good ideas. Pretty much most other stuff was tedious crap. The religious/reformation events were neat too, I helped on them a bit before it was part of MMtM. Dunno if this was noticed amid the stuff I can't talk about, but the paradox webshop has HoD steam codes for sale now, although of course it won't activate until the 16th.
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Will I get extra paradox cred if I buy the code through you guys?
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Baloogan posted:Will I get extra paradox cred if I buy the code through you guys? You get to own the game engine.
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brocretin posted:Was the mod Magna Mundi actually any good, or was it just good in that it fixed some of the problems with early-mid EUIII that Paradox later fixed themselves? People seem to be saying the latter. Darkrenown posted:Dunno if this was noticed amid the stuff I can't talk about, but the paradox webshop has HoD steam codes for sale now, although of course it won't activate until the 16th. Shorter Than Some posted:You get to own the game engine.
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Patter Song posted:Turns out that when your country consists of one lightly-defended city under siege and in terrible danger of annexation, you're an underdog in trade. Hyord posted:Now that nothing it does is revolutionary anymore, its just a bloated mess. Hyord posted:Paradox definitely took a LOT of their improvements in expansions from ideas that were in Magna Mundi. This is not to say Ubik has contributed anything to EU3, because all the GOOD work from Magna Mundi was done by people like dharper and Helius.
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:Early Magna Mundi was alright. Magna Mundi Platinum was only playable when Wiz rebuilt it from the ground up and released it as fun2mmp (under protestation and cries of "Plagiarism!" from ubik). Keep in mind that Magna Mundi started from humble origins as an aggregate of smaller, sensible mods. I don't even think ubik started it, he just kind of force projected himself onto the top of the heap because who cares about this stuff? Actually, just this once, it wasn't Wiz who created a good Paradox mod. It was Riso. I remember ubik becoming absolutely LIVID about someone daring to excise his cancerous 'contributions' from Magna Mundi, to the point where he threatened legal action. It was absolutely ridiculous, and of course nothing came of it. As always with him. Although in hindsight, if you apply ubik-logic here... Wouldn't the release of fun2mmp have made Riso the owner of Magna Mundi (the mod)? He's not even good at playing by his own, arbitrary rules.
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Gimmick Account posted:Actually, just this once, it wasn't Wiz who created a good Paradox mod. It was Riso. I remember ubik becoming absolutely LIVID about someone daring to excise his cancerous 'contributions' from Magna Mundi, to the point where he threatened legal action. It was absolutely ridiculous, and of course nothing came of it. As always with him. Yeah the hilarious thing about fun2mmp is that the main thing it did was remove Ubik's work. ps. Frionnel posted:Click Wallpapers on that page for a surpriiiiiise! I told you all it's all about the wallpaper, but did you listen? No! Alchenar fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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One thing to remember is that EUIII as it currently exists is very literally a different game then release date EUIII 1.0. I don't want to say it was 'bad', but it was unbalanced, insanely blobby, lacking the vast majority of features it has now, and was about as historically plausible as Renaissance Risk. I doubt we will EVER see another Paradox game change as much as EUIII changed from 1.0 to the current 5.2 beta. For a while some of the big overhaul mods like MM did provide a serious improvement over vanilla gameplay, but with all the expansions improving the game immeasurably, and the fact that the longer the big mods exist the more bloated and overdeveloped they get, I think they're pretty unnecessary/undesirable now. Shorter Than Some posted:You get to own the game engine. I'm formally declaring Clauzwitz to be Open Source. Paradox never explicitly said I couldn't, so I can. No takebacks. I'm starting a new project as Idea Guy. Who wants to be my coder? I'll also need a couple graphics guys and event scripters. Zybourne Universalis. EDIT: Imagine four factroys on the edge of a cliff... Fintilgin fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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When the mod enters the timestream, EU begins to correct itself. Let me use this example: Imagine four factroys on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the factroy nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of factroys and takes the place of the first factroy. The formerly first factroy becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff. Ubik works the same way. (edited to match up with Fintilgin) Alchenar fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Apr 5, 2013 |
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Riso made fun2mmp? Oh dip, my bad. (In my defense, I'm on some pretty heavy painkillers from some dentalwork.) I better remember the time that came after, when practically everyone in this thread had their own EU3 mod. I still wish MiscMods and Fantasyland were being brought into the great leap forward. I'd kill for crazy bullshit scenarios like that right off the bat in EU4. Did I get the "didn't reuse code" part right? I (think I) remember that it was something of a point of honor that no line of code was actually being reused from MMP.
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:I better remember the time that came after, when practically everyone in this thread had their own EU3 mod. Some of us still have our own eu3 mod  It's hilariously unbalanced, but if I restrain myself I can avoid taking over the world as Antilles.
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Baloogan posted:Will I get extra paradox cred if I buy the code through you guys? Since the fun jokes are used already I'll just go serious answer: Nope, it's just a pre-order for a steam code. You get a copy of V1 complete thrown in for good measure, but that's it.
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I'm just going to continue assuming Ubik is completely batfuck crazy, but this post from a former MM team member implies something was funny or wrong about the contract:quote:The contract was in English and at least from the one I originally saw, which may not have been the actual one, PI's lawyers dropped the ball with a copy-paste contract from likely Majesty. In fact, I originally spotted it, the irony of which is not lost on me, given how the die was cast. And now it is going to cause further grief. I doubt it's a serious attempt at a commercial release, but rather an attempt to build recognition and support other goals such as building a track record to attract private investment in his new project (see Page 6 of http://www.ccdr-alg.pt/ccdr/paramete...os_Fev2013.pdf), but I could be wrong. Maybe he is going to make a go of it. A little weird that the link to the 'demo' hasn't been killed from the forum if it is, as seems probable, flat out copyright infringement. 
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Darkrenown posted:Since the fun jokes are used already I'll just go serious answer: Nope, it's just a pre-order for a steam code. You get a copy of V1 complete thrown in for good measure, but that's it.
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"Our Most Reasonable Demands" vs. "Their Outrageous Extortions" is both an excellent aping of how Paradox games tend to present themselves to the player, and also encapsulates Ubik's perspective with stunning precision.
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Well Paradox should have known better than to deal with Ubik after all of the threats of legal action against people like Riso who altered his mod. I didn't manage to get a copy of his demo, and I'd like to mess around with it. Can someone mediafire it or something? I don't mind that if I play it I am signing over the rights to my computer's operating system.
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Wolfgang Pauli posted:Actually, I have a relevant question: is HoD getting a non-Steam release? I got my copy of Vicky 2 and AHD off of Amazon and they're non-Steamworks versions.
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