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Der Shovel posted:Why does it have to be explicitly useful for anyone? Top Gear review cars that cost £500 000 which means nobody is actually getting useful purchasing advice. It's just interesting. It's a relatively talked about thing and here it is, now how is it? I think the issue is that if you review something early, and that causes your review to misrepresent the product that people end up getting, that's a problem. And that's not just a pro-OUYA argument. It's completely possible that OUYA could totally collapse and the servers would be offline two months from now. If someone read that review and decided to buy an OUYA, only to find out that they couldn't actually get any games on it, that's pretty hosed up. By the same principle, the issue that OUYA fanboys bring up about possible improvements to the software and library holds some water, as well. It's just generally bad practice to review a product several months before it's available for purchase, because who knows what will change. In this case, I think that it was actually alright for them to review it early, for some of the reasons you mentioned - but it's still not a good habit to get into, and they should definitely look into the system again at release and do a second review if there have been significant changes. But that's also just my opinion.
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XboxPants posted:I think the issue is that if you review something early, and that causes your review to misrepresent the product that people end up getting, that's a problem. And that's not just a pro-OUYA argument. It's completely possible that OUYA could totally collapse and the servers would be offline two months from now. If someone read that review and decided to buy an OUYA, only to find out that they couldn't actually get any games on it, that's pretty hosed up. This just in; reviewers are honour-bound to continuously update their reviews of consoles to reflect the current state of online connectivity and game availability. The Super Nintendo is a poo poo console; there's nothing at ALL available at Walmart!
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Apr 6, 2013 11:56
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XboxPants posted:I think the issue is that if you review something early, and that causes your review to misrepresent the product that people end up getting, that's a problem. That's true. I have a feeling they'll cover the "launch" in June too, though, and see if things have changed.
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Apr 6, 2013 12:02
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For all we know, the 63000 kickstarter backers are the bulk of their customer base. Of course its fair to review the product they're going to receive. If Ouya didn't want the product reviewed, they shouldn't have gone public with it. Selling a product to 63000 paying customers (at full retail price and above!) is not a closed beta test. Could the product possibly improve in the future? Of course. But these aren't reviews of promises and possibilities -- they're reviews of the actual, existing product.
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XboxPants posted:I think the issue is that if you review something early, and that causes your review to misrepresent the product that people end up getting, that's a problem. And that's not just a pro-OUYA argument. It's completely possible that OUYA could totally collapse and the servers would be offline two months from now. If someone read that review and decided to buy an OUYA, only to find out that they couldn't actually get any games on it, that's pretty hosed up. By the same principle, the issue that OUYA fanboys bring up about possible improvements to the software and library holds some water, as well. 2) When the UYAO company closes shop, the ~64,000 people who bought during 1) are going to be well over half of everyone who ever buys an YUOA. The Verge review is absolutely apt, because they are reviewing the real, actual OYAU for the majority of population that will ever own one.
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Imagine how great college would be if you could do this. I'd like to hand in a paper and say here you go it's done and then when the professor says sorry this is poo poo, turn around and reply with "oh no it's not done! I need another 2 months to finalize it!"
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obithrawn posted:Imagine how great college would be if you could do this. I'd like to hand in a paper and say here you go it's done and then when the professor says sorry this is poo poo, turn around and reply with "oh no it's not done! I need another 2 months to finalize it!"  "This is only the first iteration in a series of term papers, each one an upgrade from the last."
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Apr 6, 2013 14:00
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The fact that there aren't great games announced simply means that there aren't great games coming. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if the console is small, or big, or good, or if the controller is the Stradivarius of controllers or if it's a piece of poo poo. The BUKKAKYA is useful today like it was useful during the Consulate of Publius Cornelius Scipio "Africanus" and Licinius Crassus. -How could Scipio play games on the GOATASS if there was no electric power in 200 BC? -We have electric power but we can't play games on it, either Even the dumbest poo poo has been trumpeted like the second coming of Mohammed in Canada so if there was a remotely decent game coming for it, they wouldn't keep it a secret.
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Cippalippus posted:The fact that there aren't great games announced simply means that there aren't great games coming. Simple as that. It doesn't matter if the console is small, or big, or good, or if the controller is the Stradivarius of controllers or if it's a piece of poo poo. Literally lol if you did not see the sweet visorman multiplayer reveal posted on the last page.
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No one picked up on the fact that XboxPants put Stalagflight on his list of good games? Uhrman's 'favorite' game. So loving nuts that a dinky browser game you get tired of after three minutes is now cast as some big deal for the Ouya.
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I did. Also it would've been funny if "A space shooter for 2 bucks" had its market price raised to 14.99$ due to the expensive games are better Xboxpants' pricing policy of yesterthread.
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I'm not sure which fact is more amusing. The fact that this is just a much worse version of Goldeneye, or the fact that this developer couldn't get one other person to play with him for his multiplayer demonstration.
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Matlock Birthmark posted:I'm not sure which fact is more amusing. The fact that this is just a much worse version of Goldeneye, or the fact that this developer couldn't get one other person to play with him for his multiplayer demonstration. Oh wow, he literally says "It seems to be running well, I could have an enjoyable multiplayer experience I think with this. I have not tested it with anybody else yet tho."  edit: Man, I respect this guys dedication and even what he managed to put together all by himself as a hobbyist. I really do. But this stuff should be on the bottom of a list somewhere on Newgrounds. It´s so depressing. He managed to get 69 pounds on his Kickstarter. 
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MrBims posted:No one picked up on the fact that XboxPants put Stalagflight on his list of good games? I think it's because none of us read his stupid list of games we knew were poo poo. Even in the Flash Launch Game genre Stalagflight is barebones and lovely, have you even played the drat thing, Xboxpants?
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XboxPants posted:I think the issue is that if you review something early, and that causes your review to misrepresent the product that people end up getting, that's a problem. And that's not just a pro-OUYA argument. It's completely possible that OUYA could totally collapse and the servers would be offline two months from now. If someone read that review and decided to buy an OUYA, only to find out that they couldn't actually get any games on it, that's pretty hosed up. By the same principle, the issue that OUYA fanboys bring up about possible improvements to the software and library holds some water, as well. If you have something and its poo poo you review it and its poo poo. In three months when the "real" thing launches if its not poo poo you review it again and the two stories together create the narrative of improvement and if its still poo poo then you were right to give people cause to consider their investments. If something is poo poo now and you just keep quiet and then its poo poo when it releases "for real" you've done everyone a disservice as a consumer journalist or whatever.
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XboxPants posted:I think the issue is that if you review something early, and that causes your review to misrepresent the product that people end up getting, that's a problem. And that's not just a pro-OUYA argument. It's completely possible that OUYA could totally collapse and the servers would be offline two months from now. If someone read that review and decided to buy an OUYA, only to find out that they couldn't actually get any games on it, that's pretty hosed up. By the same principle, the issue that OUYA fanboys bring up about possible improvements to the software and library holds some water, as well. Tell us all about journalistic integrity, please. Without somebody actually getting up on their hind legs and And God knows we can't have that happen.
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Inspector_71 posted:Have you not heard of Yves Behar before? I mean, there's a lot of making GBS threads on it to do, but the design chops of Behar are pretty far outside of that realm. I've never heard of him before this, and I figure if he's that reputable, he wouldn't be slumming it on poo poo like this.
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Yeah this is so hilarious. There was NO indication whatsoever the units going out at the end of March were 'early units.' Every indication was made that it was The Ouya. The final product. The same one that would be available in June. They even made blog posts indicating 'hey guys we're really busy getting the software done for the March launch. ' It wasn't until the reviews rolled in complaining about hardware that they changed their tune to 'well these aren't The Final Product.' It's bullshit and they know it. They are absolutely going to leave the 68k backers hanging in the wind with lovely hardware. The fact they are shipping them as they roll off the line explains why Julie didn't have the final version at SWSW. They literally didn't have them.
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raditts posted:I've never heard of him before this, and I figure if he's that reputable, he wouldn't be slumming it on poo poo like this. I'd guess the OUYA tried once again to make something fantastic and magical that was beyond their means. Aesthetics and indie cred before functionality. You know, their entire MO.
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XboxPants posted:Pretty happy about it, actually. Tons of poo poo but that's not something that's relevant to me at all. I don't really care about what percent of games are good, only thing that matters to me is the absolute number of good games. There aren't any great games, but all of these look like good games: Canabalt is a one button running game where all you do is jump over things and I think slide under other things. I got that for my tablet as part of one of those humble bundles and I was still shocked at what a non-game it was. Like, I didn't even feel like it was worth keeping around as a cheap diversion on something I used for better things. Is this the kind of thing that really sells you on a game console?
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Actually, this whole "it's not the final unit, wait to review in June." thing works both ways. Xboxpants, why do you and OUYA Inc. care about what the Verge said, after all, that review isn't going to hurt OUYA's sales number. It's not for actual sale until June.
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Matlock Birthmark posted:Actually, this whole "it's not the final unit, wait to review in June." thing works both ways. Xboxpants, why do you and OUYA Inc. care about what the Verge said, after all, that review isn't going to hurt OUYA's sales number. It's not for actual sale until June. Verge presented it as the final product which means potential buyers (hah nobody is going to buy this) might change their minds. e: ouya king of dongholes batteries! fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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Let's revoke the freedom of the press so that ouya gets good sales!
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DoubleWelp posted:Verge presented it as the final product which means potential buyers (hah nobody is going to buy this) might change their minds. They presented it as the thing that is being sold right now and has already been sold to ~60 000 people. Which is true.
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Uncle Jam posted:Let's revoke the freedom of the press so that ouya gets good sales! After that, we will execute everyone who speaks ill of the XERXES! No man shall speak ill of The King(of Consoles)!
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Uncle Jam posted:Let's revoke the freedom of the press so that ouya gets good sales! BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT OUYA
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All consoles are equal. Some consoles are more equal than others.
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Der Shovel posted:They presented it as the thing that is being sold right now and has already been sold to ~60 000 people. Which is true. Wait, they're already selling to non-backers? I thought they didn't have an actual inventory.
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Joe Don Baker posted:Yeah this is so hilarious. There was NO indication whatsoever the units going out at the end of March were 'early units.' Every indication was made that it was The Ouya. The final product. Furthermore, they actually had a specific reward for early units*: the dev units that came with the $699 pledge. Having a specific reward for early units kinda implies that the units in the other rewards that will ship later aren't early units or work-in-progress or beta or whatever they're now calling them. * though they called them "first run", which I suppose is on purpose to leave the door open for a "second run" instead of "final"
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DoubleWelp posted:Wait, they're already selling to non-backers? I thought they didn't have an actual inventory. They took preorders on the website.
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MrBims posted:They took preorders on the website. The preorders are being delivered now, alongside the backer units, right? So, people who preordered before a certain point in time were preordering beta versions of the OUYA, or so the dev team now claims.
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DalaranJ posted:The preorders are being delivered now, alongside the backer units, right? Who knows at this point? They're talking so much poo poo that it's hard to keep track of what's what at any given time. But realistically, it's now two months out from "the real launch". They're having trouble manufacturing enough Ouyas to satisfy their existing Kickstarter orders. Does anyone really think they'll be able to make any meaningful changes to the hardware or controller and get enough boxes manufactured in time for June? Because I'm gonna bet it'll be one or the other.
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I don't think Ouya Inc ever said the Kickstarter backer units were retail on their Kickstarter page but otherwise all mentions of these units prior to the negative press seemed to have indicated that these late March backer units were the retail units. Even down to Urhman saying that they're baked and there aren't any hardware changes coming between backer units in March and the June launch. Pretty much the only thing they can realistically change right now is the software. I doubt they have the money to shut down production and get new molds for controllers done. Glue new magnets in I guess is a possibility for the face plates but I have no idea what the back of those look like nor if they have any room for more magnets. Guess homeboy they sent to Taiwan should have gotten 90% in Street Fighter and not a measly 85% 
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I'd wager they shipping out the first wave of DOUYADENUMs to finance manufacturing the rest of the orders. People have been questioning their ability to manufacture 60,000 OUVARIEs with their kickstarter money from the beginning, and those estimate didn't account for design, coding the store, a kicking launch party in San Francisco. or Julie and co. jetsetting around the world. It seems to me they're living paycheque to paycheque, hoping they can sell enough DAVE STALAFIGHTs to afford the next batch. Xboxpants, what would you do if OURREOLYA goes tits up before you receive yours? Please dont do anything rash.
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XboxPants posted:I think the issue is that if you review something early, and that causes your review to misrepresent the product that people end up getting, that's a problem. Misrepresentation of the product people end up getting... Why does that sound so familiar... OUYA! 
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I met a traveller from an antique forum Who said: "Two squishy and useless controllers Lie on the trash heap. Near them on the beans Half sunk, a shattered console lies, whose fan And burnt-out motherboard and molten top Tell that its sculptor did not give a poo poo But yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that scammed. And on the pedestal these words appear: 'OUYA Ouya.' Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The other piles of trash stretch far away."
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FrozenVent posted:Wait, hang on, they used a d-pad and four face buttons game as the benchmark for controller testing? No. Sending a dude to Taiwan until he could get "85% or better in Street Fighter" was the metric used. Yeah, she said that. No I don't know what she's talking about. Also I love mentioning that because anyone that knows even jack poo poo about what they're talking about knows that this makes zero goddamn sense.
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FrozenVent posted:Wait, hang on, they used a d-pad and four face buttons game as the benchmark for controller testing? If it works in my mind it works. If on paper you could argue it works it works. I'm Julie Urhman.
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