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its because older people have been trained to expect the flaws of vinyl as a normal thing, meanwhile younger people never put up with it and besides they aren't getting cds in the first place because its 2013. much like all the idiots who will refuse to watch movies shot above 24 fps
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Install Gentoo posted:its because older people have been trained to expect the flaws of vinyl as a normal thing, meanwhile younger people never put up with it and besides they aren't getting cds in the first place because its 2013. i'm 25, i first heard vinyl at 24.
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Moist von Lipwig posted:i'm 25, i first heard vinyl at 24. oh im sorry you caught early-onset old syndrome
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Apr 10, 2013 21:55
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spankmeister posted:Its because cd's these days are mastered way way too loud. They use dynamic compression to remove any semblance of dynamic range then mix it as near to 0dB as they can get it without clipping. (and sometimes they fail at this and it clips. Notable example is Stadium Arcadium) http://audiogeekzine.com/2010/12/pretty-hate-machine-remaster/
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Apr 10, 2013 21:57
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people getting mad in that link about music that is just going to be listened to even more dynamic range compressed on terrible earbuds on ipods
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I thought they reduced dynamic range just so it would sound good on radio? Bit depth doesn't govern dynamic range, according to this awesome neckbeard (xiph employee  ): http://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml. tl;dw it has a chapter selection too.Ever since I watched this video everyone I read everyone's posts in this thread as his voice.
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radio stations change the sound all on their own. vinyl has a different range of audio that can actually be played back from cd which has a different range from analog fm radio which has a different range from cassettes which have a different range from am radio and so on and so forth analog radio stations are required by law to maintain a certain limited dynamic range in order to ensure that signal is broadcast within acceptable parameters by the way.
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Yah so this is why vinyl sounds better generally speaking because the format does not allow such hard mastering and the vinyl masters are produced with a different target audience in mind. Vinyl as a medium is inferior to CD. In practice Vinyl can be far superior to CD due to different masters. Ill sperg out about this some more tomorrow.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I thought they reduced dynamic range just so it would sound good on radio? Bit depth doesn't govern dynamic range, according to this awesome neckbeard (xiph employee this entire site owns and that video vindicates everything about DSP.
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spankmeister posted:Yah so this is why vinyl sounds better generally speaking because the format does not allow such hard mastering and the vinyl masters are produced with a different target audience in mind. in practice vinyl still sounds like poo poo because its 2013 and if you want that sound you can also apply an audio filter to the music file your purchased
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spankmeister posted:Its because cd's these days are mastered way way too loud. They use dynamic compression to remove any semblance of dynamic range then mix it as near to 0dB as they can get it without clipping. (and sometimes they fail at this and it clips. Notable example is Stadium Arcadium) this is why you buy jvcs remasters, they keep the poo poo as close to the master tape as they can tape hiss and everything 
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Detroit Q. Spider posted:this is why you buy jvcs remasters, they keep the poo poo as close to the master tape as they can microphone in front of a tape deck, the mark of quality
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Apr 11, 2013 01:39
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humans dont hear so good thats why audio is only 3% of the disc while video is the other 96% on a dvd/blu-ray suck it audiohavers
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i loving hate 5.1 and movie mastering people "oh hey let's make the center channel real quiet and RAMP UP THE SOUND EFFECTS WE REALLY NEED THEM TO FEEL LIKE THEY'RE IN THAT EXPLOSION
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Apr 11, 2013 02:06
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uh, thats how a cinema mix works. 12dB of dynamic range.
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ugh, i hate how the only bastion of audio engineers that try to make poo poo sound powerful and impactful are not respecting my 2$ speakers in my laptop and the software makers can't implement dynamic range normalization even though it's in the spec.
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GOD! WHY CANT YOU JUST MAKE IT SOUND GOOD?
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now that sounds so much better
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pagancow posted:uh, thats how a cinema mix works. just because the dynamic range is there doesn't mean it needs to be used constantly smdh
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i'm the ironic -2db attenuation in the 8k range
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Install Gentoo posted:just because the dynamic range is there doesn't mean it needs to be used constantly smdh theres -96dB dynamic range in 16/48K -12dB is nothing.
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pagancow posted:theres -96dB dynamic range in 16/48K if you listen really close you can hear the guy next door grunt as he takes a poo poo through concrete walls during a metal band practice with amps
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Apr 11, 2013 02:16
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i got paradigm studio v100s but i got rid of 5.1 because the mixing annoyed the poo poo out of me 2.0 4 lyfe
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did you hook up an SPL meter on a tripod and point it at each speaker, and make sure each one was the same aparent loudness with proper delays set? then of course it sounded like poo poo pagancow style HT 4 lyfe
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that's a lil too spergy my receiver has a 'good enough' mic that just makes fwap noises and 
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Apr 11, 2013 02:43
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i just have 2.0 cuz gently caress it really. it doesnt even have a remote control (the amp)
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if you aren't using 22.2 channel sound with proper height layering then get the gently caress out  ps thats not a movie theater
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Apr 11, 2013 02:48
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flyboi posted:that's a lil too spergy Those can be surprisingly accurate if you can mount the microphone to something that doesn't vibrate. You need a heavy video tripod to do that. Most are hollow and the LFE gets turned down wayyyyy to low
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Apr 11, 2013 02:52
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pagancow posted:now that sounds so much better please dont post Beats by Dre proprietary information, tia
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the best thing is people who complain that beats by dre doesn't have accurate audio reproduction.
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Install Gentoo posted:ps thats not a movie theater this but whispered at the moment of climax
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https://vimeo.com/63653873
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I have 2 ears hence
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Install Gentoo posted:in practice vinyl still sounds like poo poo because its 2013 and if you want that sound you can also apply an audio filter to the music file your purchased That defeats the purpose they should just do it right the first time filters can smd. Also lol if you don't have a setup like this you are a poor 
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literally where gdw masturabtes alone every night forever
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pagancow posted:They both look rigit compared to Traditional WB/Disney stuff from the 90s when everything was done by Hand before being scanned into the comptuer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EogJVdJwFjo&t=120s Also this episode had a lot more effort put into the animation than most episodes of Animaniacs, though they clearly skimped on the backgrounds in comparison to Animaniacs. So yeah ~tradeoffs~. Unless you were just talking about entirely digitally drawn animation versus the hand painted cels which were then digitally scanned in and digitally painted animation of the 90's? Assepoester fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Apr 11, 2013 |
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surprisingly good quality from Google street view. ~my clipped whites~
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Cardboard Box A posted:Ummm... everything in the first Teen Titans vid was done by Hand. None of the puppeting or flash tweened animation people were complaining about. Did you just watch the intro and nothing past that? I'm pretty sure it's computer assisted, as in some of it is drawn by hand, but then animations are tweened and repurposed. It's how they are able to get proportions to stay really nice throughout the entire animation, but it feels rigid and souless for the most part. There are some custom animations in there that do feel hand drawn, but a run cycle or anything that loops is manipulated in the computer to save time. Traditionally, every animation had to be drawn by hand, and any looping was done in editing, because digital compositing was not time efficient back then. Today it is, and I see bits and pieces of it in the video sample you gave me.
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Install Gentoo posted:the best thing is people who complain that beats by dre doesn't have accurate audio reproduction. well according to Rec. ITU-R BS.708 they don't though really etymotics are pretty much the only things that bother trying to comply anyway
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spankmeister posted:Its because cd's these days are mastered way way too loud. They use dynamic compression to remove any semblance of dynamic range then mix it as near to 0dB as they can get it without clipping. (and sometimes they fail at this and it clips. Notable example is Stadium Arcadium) californication also did this really badly, i think it might be a rhcp thing
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