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So like, is it supposed to be possible to roll through attacks? I've been intuitively rolling and attacking through attacks and I want to make sure that it's even possible, or I'm just getting lucky and dodging super close.
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dvorak posted:So like, is it supposed to be possible to roll through attacks? I've been intuitively rolling and attacking through attacks and I want to make sure that it's even possible, or I'm just getting lucky and dodging super close. Rolling gives you a couple frames of invulnerability so, yes, you can successfully roll through attacks.
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Apr 11, 2013 03:44
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Brett824 posted:It's not 10 minutes (if you think this, you have a really weird perception of time) and if you fail a capture mission (which you know beforehand, because they're a different color icon even) when you can bring 4 potential traps I don't know how badly you're misplacing them. It's also not too hard to get a feel for when a monster is going to leave a zone. Stop trying to make games too easy by exaggerating how hard they are. People who like carefulness being rewarded aren't "elitist". If you fail a capture mission more than once because of misplacing a trap, or consistently misplace traps when attempting to capture something in a hunt mission, you need to learn what you're doing wrong and adapt. Also, if you attack lynians, they will often drop EZ Shock Traps. The Veggie Elder red old goblin can also sometimes give you them if you bother him. The real problem here is spider webs!
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Apr 11, 2013 03:44
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Locke Dunnegan posted:I don't really get the "traps are perfect the way they are because wasting ten minutes of your time or completely failing the capture mission due to time for making the mistake of not knowing exactly what a monster is going to do while weakened is justice for you being bad, baddie" argument. Hell, if you want to keep it as annoying and fairly ridiculous as possible, just make it so traps only last like one or two minutes tops. What percentage of traps do you lay down for capturing are successful after that time? It appeases the elitist Monster Hunter fans by making the game MORE punishing, since you have less of a window for using the trap, but it lets you use a new trap even sooner if needed. Traps only lasting 1-2 minutes would actually make things EASIER when trying to trap a monster, because if you gently caress up that's way less time waiting for the trap to despawn. When you're trying to trap a monster, wait until you see it limping, or for it to go into rage mode very easily after getting out of it. If you kill the monster so fast that you don't notice either of these, then you're probably so powerful that it'll take ~5 minutes to kill it, and thus doing the quest again is a mild annoyance but not much worse. The main problem when trying to trap a monster is when you place a trap down, and then a monster leaves the area shortly after. When you place a trap, simply wait in a spot so that the trap is between the monster and yourself - don't wait on top of the trap, cus then the monster can hit you and knock you down before getting stunned (or worse, trigger the trap and then you can't tranq it fast enough because you just got knocked down). Eventually the monster will rush at you, and then get caught. Or, the monster will fly/swim/limp away to another area, at which point you curse profusely and wait the five minutes or however long for the trap to vanish. The answer to this is pretty simple: if you think a monster is low enough to be caught, then take into consideration how long the monster has been in the area. Did it just get there? You can try trapping it fairly safely. If it's been a while, expect it to move soon, and just be patient. If a monster limps away, DON'T TRY TO TRAP IT IN THE IMMEDIATE NEXT AREA. Sure, you -could- get it into the trap, but most monsters will limp through 2-3 areas while on the way to their resting spot. Many times in these in-bewteen areas, a monster will leave very quickly, because they're desperate to get to their rest zone. Yes, even if you're actively fighting them. Following these rules, I never use more than a single trap in 90% of my hunts where I intend to trap the monster. Yet, I ALWAYS carry trap tools and thunderbugs in the rare event a monster avoids a trap. Trap tools are cheap - you can buy thunderbugs from the old lady if you're high rank, and if not you can get the DLC 5k town points, and use all those to cultivate shittons of thunderbugs at the farm.
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Killed Ceadeus over three runs. 2x deep dragon gems, 1x tail, and 1x elder dragon blood. Not bad right?
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CaptainPoopsock posted:Rolling gives you a couple frames of invulnerability so, yes, you can successfully roll through attacks. You can even roll through roars too, although I've never been able to get the timing down. The important thing about rolls is understanding that monster attacks with a small, fast-moving hitbox are easier to roll through than big, slow-moving ones. Nargacuga is the textbook example for this. Once you get the rolling rhythm down you can solo him naked all day long.
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Apr 11, 2013 05:05
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dvorak posted:So like, is it supposed to be possible to roll through attacks? I've been intuitively rolling and attacking through attacks and I want to make sure that it's even possible, or I'm just getting lucky and dodging super close. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63sBcfdMT8
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Apr 11, 2013 05:07
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So far I've been doing okay offline using mainly the hammer and longsword ( after starting off with sword and shield ) but I'm getting the impression that these two are going to be unpopular online when used by a new player, especially when they're not very subtle about it. So far I've won most of my fights by waiting for an opening then smashing the monster in the head or body as hard as I can pretty much with mostly hammer X attacks or Longsword combos. I can imagine I'm going to be having trouble not sending people flying all over the place especially after the longsword note in the OP. Can anyone suggest a fairly newbie friendly weapon which is going to be less likely to launch other players while I learn the ropes? I've been thinking about lance / gunlance ( I should probably learn to block more anyway rather than dodging )or maybe warhorn, although the latter looks a bit smashy as well. I guess that might be less of a problem with the larger monsters. Is it worthwhile keeping on going right to the end of offline mode first to make sure I have decent gear for multiplayer? I've just got to offline high rank, so the last thing I've beaten is pink Ludroth. I'm still using upgraded Wroggi armor from low rank for the poison resist and  hat.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Traps only lasting 1-2 minutes would actually make things EASIER when trying to trap a monster, because if you gently caress up that's way less time waiting for the trap to despawn. When you're trying to trap a monster, wait until you see it limping, or for it to go into rage mode very easily after getting out of it. If you kill the monster so fast that you don't notice either of these, then you're probably so powerful that it'll take ~5 minutes to kill it, and thus doing the quest again is a mild annoyance but not much worse. The main problem when trying to trap a monster is when you place a trap down, and then a monster leaves the area shortly after. As you and Brett824 seem to be making a lot of assumptions about my personal skill and experience about the game, even though I never claimed to have issues with repeatedly failing missions for whatever reasons you posit, I feel I need to say that I have played every Monster Hunter game released in the US, as well as Portable 3rd. I have no real problem capturing monsters myself, but am pointing out that the various restrictions on placing traps gives unneeded difficulty to a game that is about actively fighting huge monsters. Responding with "you shouldn't have [BLANK]" is side-stepping the issue of what I consider to be a poor design decision. If you can only carry an absolute maximum of four traps, why can one only lay a single trap at a time? Which sounds like a better and less frustrating gaming experience after misplacing a trap: standing around for five minutes* waiting for a timer to place another trap (if you have one [that works on the monster and location you are aiming for]), or being able to do it immediately? Literally the only difference is the time wasted waiting for the trap to explode for seemingly no reason, since because of some sort of Hunter's Honor you can only lay down one trap at a time. *I am terribly sorry for my grave mistake from a previous post. I haven't missed a monster with a trap since back in MHFU, so when someone either earlier in this thread or perhaps on another board said the timer was 10 minutes, I didn't think to go into my own game and sit there for ten minutes myself to check that person's veracity. I beg forgiveness. Also, even five minutes is a long time to stand around.
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Apr 11, 2013 05:46
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Xenosmilus posted:So far I've been doing okay offline using mainly the hammer and longsword ( after starting off with sword and shield ) but I'm getting the impression that these two are going to be unpopular online when used by a new player, especially when they're not very subtle about it. So far I've won most of my fights by waiting for an opening then smashing the monster in the head or body as hard as I can pretty much with mostly hammer X attacks or Longsword combos. I can imagine I'm going to be having trouble not sending people flying all over the place especially after the longsword note in the OP. The Long Sword and Hammer aren't too bad if you don't spam the R attacks, but they're basically the only ones that are really a problem unless you deliberately try to launch people. Don't use pellet shot but that's about it. People know to give you space and either a monster is big enough or mobile enough to spread out the opportunities. If you're going online multiplayer you don't really need a new armor set, although people soloing the guild will want as good gear as they can get.
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Apr 11, 2013 06:00
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I do multiplayer to see cool monsters and watch pubbies die, it's kinda hard to find a solid group to just straight up grind for gear. So I grind for gear offline, seems to work for me. If you just go through multiplayer key-quest only rooms you'll end up at a high rank but flat out garbage gear unless you spend some time to farm.
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Locke Dunnegan posted:As you and Brett824 seem to be making a lot of assumptions about my personal skill and experience about the game, even though I never claimed to have issues with repeatedly failing missions for whatever reasons you posit, I feel I need to say that I have played every Monster Hunter game released in the US, as well as Portable 3rd. I have no real problem capturing monsters myself, but am pointing out that the various restrictions on placing traps gives unneeded difficulty to a game that is about actively fighting huge monsters. Responding with "you shouldn't have [BLANK]" is side-stepping the issue of what I consider to be a poor design decision. If you can only carry an absolute maximum of four traps, why can one only lay a single trap at a time? Which sounds like a better and less frustrating gaming experience after misplacing a trap: standing around for five minutes* waiting for a timer to place another trap (if you have one [that works on the monster and location you are aiming for]), or being able to do it immediately? Literally the only difference is the time wasted waiting for the trap to explode for seemingly no reason, since because of some sort of Hunter's Honor you can only lay down one trap at a time. Traps are very powerful tools. They're a lot of time worth of free damage, often lead to easily broken parts, and usually lead to a chain of stuns and staggers after their duration ends. They also are pretty cheap to make material wise. It's not "unneeded difficulty" to make placing those a more strategic decision. By making there a cost and a risk associated with poorly planning out a trap, it's not "unneeded difficulty", it's actually making the game interesting. The risk of the monster leaving the zone is what makes placing a trap something with actual weight, instead of being a (very powerful) mindless tool. It's not like there's (significant, at least) RNG in effect -- if you placed a trap that was a waste, you made a poor strategic decision and are punished for it. If you call that "frustrating", then the person is frustrated at their own mistake and that frustration is part of learning to be better at the game. I don't understand why this would be anywhere on anyone's list of things that need to be changed about the series, especially since there are a ton of way more annoying outdated legacy mechanics that probably should be addressed. e: To be clear, I'm using "You" to refer to a more general "Player". I'm not attempting to say anything about your skill level or experience with the game. Brett824 fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Apr 11, 2013 |
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Once you get G-rank; there's an advanced mission where you hunt 3 Barioth's in a row. You can easily farm Barioth parts there, and get a good chunk of money in the proccess. Barioth gives Eva+2/Stamina usage down. It's a pretty easy set to make as well, so if you could snag a friend and get him to hunt Barioth's, you could easily get a good G+rank set together. As for previous armors, I used the store-bought Yukumo series the entire time. Stylish.
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But... but you still waste the trap even if you could place another one somewhere else immediately, meaning your limited amount of traps is used at the same rate either way. And the benefits of free damage and easy breaks is the same for both of our arguments, so that doesn't really change anything. I think we are arguing about different things somehow, since irrelevant details keep being brought up. Standing around for five minutes to use a trap you currently have is pointless, boring, and frustrating. It doesn't happen often, but I am a fan of quality-of-experience improvements regardless of scope. I didn't realize that we were allowed to talk about some dumb legacy mechanics but not others. How do you feel about decoration changes not costing money anymore? EDIT: I meant to quote Brett. Phone issues. Locke Dunnegan fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Apr 11, 2013 |
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So I've never played a Monster Hunter game BUT I did just buy a 3DS. How is that version for a complete newbie? For some reason, I've gotten it in my head that the game plays like a mix of Dark Souls, Shadow of The Colossus and Phantasy Start Online but I've never seen the game in action.
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Inzombiac posted:So I've never played a Monster Hunter game BUT I did just buy a 3DS. How is that version for a complete newbie? No, thats about right, minus Shadow of the Colossus. That's coming in the next game. Man I hope I get to climb on the obligatory huge rear end elder dragon.
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Apr 11, 2013 07:03
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TalonDemonKing posted:For armor sets, I'm thinking Gloves off and Challenger+2 -- It'd be a pain to activate them, but damage output would be glorious. Keep Challenger, drop Gloves Off. You're better off throwing on something that doesn't require heavy damage to activate like Crit Eye 3 or Attack Up L.
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Apr 11, 2013 07:19
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Inzombiac posted:So I've never played a Monster Hunter game BUT I did just buy a 3DS. How is that version for a complete newbie? 3U is probably the best option for a complete newbie right now. It's got the newest mechanics in the series, and ditched a lot of the jank that was in Freedom Unite regarding hitboxes and excessive monster damage. It also does a pretty good job of easing you into the more difficult monsters with the quest progression. 3DS loses the online functionality, but you'll still get a lot of hours with just soloing things.
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Apr 11, 2013 08:02
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I needed a brachydios gem for my bow. 30+ runs later, nothing. I put the food buff "ultra lucky cat" on and next run I got 2 gems. I got the same buff and did a LR rathalos, 1 plate. I know thats not how the buff works, but ill take it
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Fauxtool posted:I needed a brachydios gem for my bow. 30+ runs later, nothing. What food gives lucky? I've never come across it, but I tend to ignore skills and go straight for meat/fish
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Apr 11, 2013 08:48
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gwrtheyrn posted:What food gives lucky? I've never come across it, but I tend to ignore skills and go straight for meat/fish Various combinations of drinks, especially drinks+dairy.
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gwrtheyrn posted:What food gives lucky? I've never come across it, but I tend to ignore skills and go straight for meat/fish Ape Has Killed Ape posted:No, thats about right, minus Shadow of the Colossus. That's coming in the next game. But, yeah, for the most part, it isn't.
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Apr 11, 2013 09:00
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Locke Dunnegan posted:But... but you still waste the trap even if you could place another one somewhere else immediately, meaning your limited amount of traps is used at the same rate either way. And the benefits of free damage and easy breaks is the same for both of our arguments, so that doesn't really change anything. I think we are arguing about different things somehow, since irrelevant details keep being brought up. Standing around for five minutes to use a trap you currently have is pointless, boring, and frustrating. It doesn't happen often, but I am a fan of quality-of-experience improvements regardless of scope. I didn't realize that we were allowed to talk about some dumb legacy mechanics but not others. In all honesty, I do agree with many of the points you're bringing up. The punishment for having a monster leave after you've placed a trap is pretty high - I personally think things would work okay if the system was changed so that the timers are still the same on trap life, but you can place traps in multiple areas at once. Wasting a trap sucks, because usually the materials (other than trap tools) aren't easy or cheap to obtain. Wasting a trap should have the punishment of using a trap with no benefit, and doesn't need the additional punishment of having to wait around for five minutes before you can place another. It would still keep people from throwing traps around willy-nilly because of how strong they are, but would fix this major annoyance. Really, having capture quests is just a really poor design choice in general, but at least they aren't key quests like in the old days. I like having capturing as an option to get more rare loot and shorter hunts, but I don't really think it should be something forced. Capturing isn't easy for newer players, and forcing them to do it is pretty lovely. Also I didn't mean to imply you were a poor player in my previous post, I apologize if it came across that way.
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Fungah! posted:What the heck set are you using to get that? I spent an hour with rear end trying to come up with a way to get all those and came up with bupkis. The set uses a 2 slot weapon and a +6 KO charm code:I love building Frankenarmour sets, its a shame about exploiter though.
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Here is a handy general damage chart: http://www.gamefaqs.com/wii-u/683294-monster-hunter-3-ultimate/faqs/66788
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Apr 11, 2013 09:35
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There's a lot of MH fans that howl "purity of the game!" and want to keep things as unintuitive and annoying as possible, because anything else would just be carebear mode. It's some kind of nerd circle jerk thing. It doesn't follow logic, spelling out a few more things to players would go a long way to attracting new players and maybe we'll get more US releases. Nope! Keep it confusing and frustrating as hell! I love it when I just totally wasted 20 minutes of my life trying to cap a Rath and he decided to zone three times in the span of a minute, making both my traps useless!
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Apr 11, 2013 10:58
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Key village quests to unlock the urgent rank up quests.quote:1* Online quote:1*
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Apr 11, 2013 11:15
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A_Cup_Of_Ramen, Mailer, sorry I disappeared, my net is out (hell my parents landline is out) and I don't know how long it'll be until it's back on.
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Apr 11, 2013 11:36
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The devs had no idea how to make fights interesting or difficult on HR or above, did they? The solution to "How do we make this fight harder" was answered with two things. 1) Make the monsters move faster. 2) Add Deviljho to every single loving quest. Crimson Qurupeco? Deviljho. Azure Rathalos? Deviljho. Duramboros? Deviljho. Glacial Agnaktor? Deviljho. That last one is particularly horrible because of the speed he tunnels/jumps at you. It's really, really easy to be chain-hit as you're standing, knocked into stun, and hit even more. And that's just with Glacnaktor on you. If Deviljho's in the room too, you can go from full health to dead and there's not a god drat thing you can do about it. loving irritating is what it is. They couldn't think of any other monster? Why is it Deviljho 100% of the time? There are other monsters in the game! Quite a few of them, in fact! Have something else show up once in awhile. Give me some variety to my annoyances. poo poo.
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ChibiSoma posted:The devs had no idea how to make fights interesting or difficult on HR or above, did they? The solution to "How do we make this fight harder" was answered with two things. It actually adds a terrifying element to high rank and it makes the showdown with jho all the more satisfying. But if you're really that upset about his presence just carry a full stack of dung bombs and throw them at jho when he saunters in, he will leave the area and let you continue fighting. I haven't found a need to do this as he's only really shown up to harass me a handful of times and I usually just stick to beating up my target while he does his little Texas two step on cha cha and kayamba
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When Jho invades, beat him down, chase him to another zone, kill him, carve him, and go back to your original mission. Eventually he'll invade, see you're there, and be like "Nope, gently caress that hunter" and leave on his own accord. In seriousness though, dungbombs will be your friend. On Gloves off chat; I know it's like 180 damage over 5 minutes (Which isn't that hard), but isn't it something crazy like 40% affinity and a damage boost? That's a serious chunk for the investment of a couple of mega potions.
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TalonDemonKing posted:On Gloves off chat; I know it's like 180 damage over 5 minutes (Which isn't that hard), but isn't it something crazy like 40% affinity and a damage boost? That's a serious chunk for the investment of a couple of mega potions. The issue is the duration is almost negligible. 2-3 minutes, as opposed to other skills which are permanent or just last longer in general. RE: Traps, everybody complaining about them needs to keep in mind that you can easily do 25% or more of a monster's life with a single well-placed trap. There is a reason things like traps become less than half as effective upon re-deployment, and why effects like Paralysis and Sleep require twice as many applications or more to proc multiple times. Having more than slight difficulty trapping monsters means you are not properly acquainted with a/the monster's behavior yet, or you are not effectively corralling your Shakas in single player. If you're having problems online, bring a Field Horn. This will act as a taunt to the monster and also as a signal to pubbies. Emalde fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Apr 11, 2013 |
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Does poison help with breaking parts? I decided to switch to the Shadow Javelin+ lance since the infamous Deviljho is weak to poison but I don't know exactly how poison damage works.
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Your weapon applies the poison when the little purple puffs come out. After enough poisoning the monster will get the poisoned status and it will take a set amount of damage from that, depending on how weak it is to poison. You won't break any parts with the poison itself, in fact poisoning probably makes it harder to get those breaks because it decreases the number of hits you need to land on the monster.
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I just noticed the shakalaka's lines change depending on their mask. Melynx Kayamba is complaining about being too curious when getting KO'd  He's also chucking giant loving barrel bombs at my head half the time 
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Apr 11, 2013 15:35
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Vallens posted:Multiplayer Streaming for a bit. I was on the internet, hunting horribly... Would do again. It was fun.
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Do monsters in online quests have more health? I just solo'd the Peco quest and it felt like it took a lot longer than normal.
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Apr 11, 2013 15:58
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Evil Mastermind posted:Do monsters in online quests have more health? I just solo'd the Peco quest and it felt like it took a lot longer than normal. Yes, usually between 3-4 times as much.
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If you could just reclaim a set trap, I don't see that making the game all that much easier, and I think it'd settle a lot of aggrivation for some folks. To me that'd be right on par with allowing decorations to get changed without a fee. Further, I also observed that if you save an outfit scheme with certain decorations in place, you can change the decorations and save that as a separate outfit. That's pretty nice.
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Bussamove posted:3DS loses the online functionality, but you'll still get a lot of hours with just soloing things. 110 hours and counting, baby  Also Hatsune Miku will be in Frontier G. Or rather, a costume resembling Miku. Good news for anyone in Japan who wants to get their Domino's Pizza on while beating up monsters.
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