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Redczar
Nov 9, 2011

Well I finally purchased V2 with all the expansions and I have no idea what is going on. At least I seem to be in good company.

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Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven
Ultimately, the best thing to do is cheat yourself lods of emone and figure out the mechanics with a safety net.

Magissima
Apr 15, 2013

I'd like to introduce you to some of the most special of our rocks and minerals.
Soiled Meat
I got in a colonial crisis with the UK over British Columbia(obviously) and because of "too many wargoals" I had to withdraw. The weird thing was that I wasn't even in any wars and had added no wargoals to the crisis.

It was still loving intense though. I'm really liking the crisis system.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky
Just played a game as Japan, you can westernize super fast now. Even after eating 22 infamy for conquering Korea(Which got me 25k research by the by), I still westernized in 1850s and I've never properly played this game before, just booted it up a few times and given up. And then I instantly became the 5th GP thanks to a gigantic army. Time to go kick China in the nuts. Also have 1 million in the bank after throwing up a 50 something factories and railroading everything. Money doesn't seem to be an issue in this game, I even dropped the poor tax rate to 50% and I'm still getting 500ish with the worlds gigantiest army and the worlds worst industry, with 40 factories being subsidized.

Still have no proper idea what I'm doing but it seems to be working. After I've hit 1% bureaucrats and 2% clergy, what should I use my NFs for? Clerks?

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven

Cynic Jester posted:

Time to go kick China in the nuts.
You fool. Unless you have well over 250 brigades to throw at them you should prepare your anus.

quote:

Still have no proper idea what I'm doing but it seems to be working. After I've hit 1% bureaucrats and 2% clergy, what should I use my NFs for? Clerks?
Influence parties, direct industry, and colonize colonize colonize.

*e*
The borders... the borders...

Wolfgang Pauli fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Apr 17, 2013

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Wolfgang Pauli posted:

How does a wargoal against a satellite negate the ticker?
Can't add a wargoal against a satellite I'm not at war with. If the UK doesn't call Canada to war, I can't occupy Canadian territory.

I actually don't know how the ticker works for non-province related wargoals like "free puppet". I guess I could still just beat up all their armies they sent over and rack up warscore like that eventually with battles. I kind of gave up on that game when I marched right into Ottawa and then realized I wasn't occupying any of the provinces... not being at war with Canada and all.

PBJ
Oct 10, 2012

Grimey Drawer

Looks like the USA needs to put the Confederacy out of its misery.

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven

PBJ posted:

Looks like the USA needs to put the Confederacy out of its misery.
Long live the South and North Dakota! Err.. make that North Dakota and the South, I don't want to imply South Dakota. Well, that implies that North Dakota is the center of the Confederacy. Wait... damnit.

Eiba posted:

Can't add a wargoal against a satellite I'm not at war with. If the UK doesn't call Canada to war, I can't occupy Canadian territory.

I actually don't know how the ticker works for non-province related wargoals like "free puppet". I guess I could still just beat up all their armies they sent over and rack up warscore like that eventually with battles. I kind of gave up on that game when I marched right into Ottawa and then realized I wasn't occupying any of the provinces... not being at war with Canada and all.
Wait, going to war over a backed nation doesn't make you go to war with that nation? What?

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

What affects POP promotion rates: The number of Bureaucrats period, or Admin Efficiency? I ask because you'll often have that situation, at least for core provinces, where Admin Efficiency will be at 100.00% long before number of Bureaucrats is at 1.00%

There's a difference between national admin efficiency and state admin efficiency. For individual states, you get a 20% bonus for being a core, so that's why you don't need 1% bureaucrats to get 100% efficiency. On the other hand, only accepted culture bureaucrats count for this number. National efficiency is based on the number of bureaucrats of all cultures within your nation. You need 1% bureaucrats to get 100% efficiency, plus 0.2% for every social reform you've passed.

And to answer your question, POP promotion rates are based off national efficiency. State admin efficiency only affects crime fighting rates in the state.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Alright, as I did when V2 and AHD both first came out I bought it as soon as I could and sat my fat goony rear end down to play for 15 solid hours, finishing a game as Persia. Here's the outcome:



Making it so uncivs can gain RP by conquest has upped their viability dramatically. This was possible for one reason and one reason only: I westernized a good 25-30 years before I would have in AHD. Having done that I had pretty much no serious competition except the Ottomans so I just grabbed what I could surrounding me. Later I stopped pretending to even care about infamy and, welp, you see the results. The Ottomans kept coming back for more and every time they did I took the absolute limit of what I could. My navy was never strong but the containment wars whittled it away to nothing.



As you can see from the World Map, Germany was a loving monster. They're the ones who ended up forcing India to be released (Actually that war sat static for about 12 years after the Germans won so I tagged over and forced the peace) and India never got their poo poo together, going through about a dozen revolutions per year, every year, and seeing their population decrease by over four million adult males by 1936. Australia had a commie revolution around this time and decided to grab the interior which had been colonized by the Brits. Germany are also the ones responsible for Russia's descent into anarchy. Russia was the most populous country in the world because they owned half of China, but they got spitroasted by a Chinese coalition and Japan at one end and Germany/UK/Spain at the other. After that they were still incredibly huge but they went after the Germans again and got their poo poo pushed in even harder, which is when I pounced. Turned out their army techs were lovely, so I presume literally millions of Russians got gassed to death in Ostprussen and Poland. Several hundred thousand died in the Caucasus before they handed them over and I was facing a tiny fraction of the Russian Army; I'd hate to see the graveyards on the Eastern Front. Moscow faced down one huge commie rebellion successfully (Half the country had fallen before the tide turned), but then a simultaneous Jacobin/Fascist uprising combined with a new German invasion left them absolutely helpless. France went through a similar fate, constantly attacking the Germans and losing ground every time. I lost track of how many revolutions they went through but they have been, at least, Communist, Bourgie Dictatorship, Communist (again), Democracy, and ended the game as Fascists. Germany, meanwhile, spend the entire 40 years since unification as a constitutional monarchy whose populace consistently put the socialists in power, so despite their massive size and power they were probably the most progressive nation in the world.

The USA figured California and that wasn't worth the trouble. Mexico had actually colonized up to the BC border, the US took Oregon in like 1848 and didn't touch Washington state until like 1924 or something :psyduck:.

The gigantic blueish dominion in Africa is the Somaliland Federation, spun off by the Ottomans. They ended up ranked about 21, way above the Turks :v: They weren't much use to their masters due to my naval blockade and well-entrenched army in Aden but had I not had that chokepoint I'm not sure I could have fought the Turks and Somaliland simultaneously in the first couple of wars.

e; And every five years like clockwork Italy and Austia went to war with provinces traded back and forth every time and a lasting peace never established.

Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Apr 17, 2013

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven
Apparently when Britain or Portugal or France releases their Indian dominion, it's as India and it gains cores on all of India. Can multiple nations do this? Like, can Portugal release Goa and France release Pondicherry and there's two Imperial Indias competing over the same cores? That actually makes a ton of sense, since imperial nations are going to be the only dudes with dominions in the first place.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

Wolfgang Pauli posted:

Apparently when Britain or Portugal or France releases their Indian dominion, it's as India and it gains cores on all of India. Can multiple nations do this? Like, can Portugal release Goa and France release Pondicherry and there's two Imperial Indias competing over the same cores? That actually makes a ton of sense, since imperial nations are going to be the only dudes with dominions in the first place.

No, one India in existence blocks out India coming into existence elsewhere. Instead, it's a tiny OPM unciv that will eventually civ, then fall to fascism due to revaunchism.

TTBF
Sep 14, 2005



Is there some mod or savegame file from vanilla or AHD which gives every country cores on every non-colonizable province?

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven

Patter Song posted:

No, one India in existence blocks out India coming into existence elsewhere. Instead, it's a tiny OPM unciv that will eventually civ, then fall to fascism due to revaunchism.
Then how do multiple Mozambique dominions keep forming? Why does the India dominion go to the existing cultural union tag instead of the regional generic dominion?

TTBF posted:

Is there some mod or savegame file from vanilla or AHD which gives every country cores on every non-colonizable province?
This sounds like a cool experiment, but would be a total pain in the rear end to script. I guess you could write a program that will batch-append the huge string of add_core = TAG to the end of each province file.

Wolfgang Pauli fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Apr 17, 2013

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

Wolfgang Pauli posted:

Then how do multiple Mozambique dominions keep forming? Why does the India dominion go to the existing cultural union tag instead of the regional generic dominion?

I think the multiple dominion issue is just with dynamic dominions. India being formed from Goa and nothing else is something that could happen in the base game, so when Portugal and France release it, it's the same as when you release a satellite/dominion pre-HoD. I remember back before even AHD came out, I was playing a game as the US, didn't interfere with India at all and Goa still rebelled against Portugal and successfully set up India as an OPM (that I then had to go to war with Russia, Mexico, and Belgium one right after the other to protect it from being immediately swallowed up).

Punished Chuck fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Apr 17, 2013

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

I think the multiple dominion issue is just with dynamic dominions. India being formed from Goa and nothing else is something that could happen in the base game, so when Portugal and France release it, it's the same as when you release a satellite/dominion pre-HoD. I remember back before even AHD Goa rebelled against Portugal and successfully set up India as an OPM (that I then had to go to war with Russia, Mexico, and Belgium one right after the other to protect it from being immediately swallowed up).
Yeah, but why aren't imperial dominions in India being released as dynamic ones? India the Tag is representative of the cultural union, not a European-backed, imperialist-ruled dependency.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

Wolfgang Pauli posted:

Yeah, but why aren't imperial dominions in India being released as dynamic ones? India the Tag is representative of the cultural union, not a European-backed, imperialist-ruled dependency.

You can release other existing unciv tags as dominions: if you conquered Morocco you can release it as a Dominion, the Dutch can do the same with Java, the French Madagascar. They'll emerge as uncivs as their regular tag. You can't do Dynamic Dominions over an area that already has existing cores of a releasable state, IIRC. Because there's a releaseable in Goa, "India," that's what it defaults to.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Holy poo poo I just got an annoying bug.

I just started my first crisis, I'm argentina and I want some chunk of a divided state back. Once the crisis started I get, every day, a message saying that france declines to support us. The boxes just keep piling up if I close them or not. Is this a known problem because I'm not sure what to do about it.


The only backers are France and France????

Ah, I found a lone unanswered bug report on the paradox forums about it, the exact same situation as Argentina.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?683012-Argentinean-ciris-over-argentinean-region

Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Apr 17, 2013

Janissary Hop
Sep 2, 2012

I beat the UK in a crisis over Washington but they were just like ya we don't give a gently caress and kept it

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
How do I set the rebels back to pre-HoD levels? Why the gently caress am I being rebelled to hell?!

Quantumfate
Feb 17, 2009

Angered & displeased, he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, insulted & cursed him with rude, harsh words.

When this was said, the Blessed One said to him:


"Motherfucker I will -end- you"


ZearothK posted:

I really like that concept. As I have done a similar work with the A Srb Divided scenario, here are a few things that might help you out.
Thanks a ton for the help! I am plugging along at a pretty decent pace with my mod! Planning it out on the painted map helped a ton. The problem is that I keep running into Crash errors when I get to processing flags, and if I can get past that the flags are all mixed up for everyone

Still, I am not doing bad for my first time modding, if I say so myself, I keep messing up but progress marches on!
:toot:

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Baloogan posted:

How do I set the rebels back to pre-HoD levels? Why the gently caress am I being rebelled to hell?!

As a brutal Oranje dictatorship, I had no problem with rebels. :raise:

Carver
Jan 14, 2003

Crisis system is definitely the best, I love how it can contain Nations Being Dicks as well.

France and Belgium ganged up on the Dutch to take Gelderland while I was busy giving Austria the business as Prussia.

After I finished a war with France and created Germany the Spanish created a crisis over Gelderland and we were inches away from a pretty big war but France gave in.

And now this...


uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Baloogan posted:

How do I set the rebels back to pre-HoD levels? Why the gently caress am I being rebelled to hell?!

A lot of people are complaining about this and I just haven't had a problem, are you not up to date on your military techs? My armies are absolutely trashing rebel stacks up to twice their size with ~40% supply.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

uPen posted:

A lot of people are complaining about this and I just haven't had a problem, are you not up to date on your military techs? My armies are absolutely trashing rebel stacks up to twice their size with ~40% supply.

Honestly the rebels in a country with low military tech should be low military tech rebels. How do I mod the game to reduce rebels back to pre HoD levels?

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven

Patter Song posted:

You can release other existing unciv tags as dominions: if you conquered Morocco you can release it as a Dominion, the Dutch can do the same with Java, the French Madagascar. They'll emerge as uncivs as their regular tag. You can't do Dynamic Dominions over an area that already has existing cores of a releasable state, IIRC. Because there's a releaseable in Goa, "India," that's what it defaults to.
I am not a fan of how this works.

Janissary Hop posted:

I beat the UK in a crisis over Washington but they were just like ya we don't give a gently caress and kept it


Sometimes the game just spaces out and doesn't grant wargoals. This was a problem in AHD.

Baloogan posted:

How do I set the rebels back to pre-HoD levels? Why the gently caress am I being rebelled to hell?!
There might be a base unciv tactics level in defines.lua, but I doubt it's there for the first release. What kind of rebels are they that you can't just let them win?

Baloogan posted:

Honestly the rebels in a country with low military tech should be low military tech rebels. How do I mod the game to reduce rebels back to pre HoD levels?
A no-tech civilized nation will start with 125% tactics. Rebels will only ever have 100%. Do your armies have commanders?

Beamed posted:

As a brutal Oranje dictatorship, I had no problem with rebels. :raise:
Does Oranje even have the POPs for a significant rebellion?

*e* Welp, paid $7.50 to buy a game I already own. I just don't get the version incompatibility between GG and Steam versions.

Wolfgang Pauli fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Apr 17, 2013

AtomikKrab
Jul 17, 2010

Keep on GOP rolling rolling rolling rolling.

Spain has spent the last like 12 years constantly crisising russia over poland. Meanwhile me as sokoto has finally and gloriously kicked the europeans out of Ghana. :allears: this is shaping up to be good.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Looks like I'll be getting the next Vicky 2 bundle that goes on sale.

Wolfgang Pauli
Mar 26, 2008

One Three Seven
Still getting the File Exception error a bunch of other people are having. I've deleted Vicky 2 from Documents, I've deleted the map cache in the steamapps folder, I wiped out every last Vicky 2 file on my computer and reinstalled. $30 well spent :smith:

Has anyone gotten the game working in Win 7 64-bit?

*edit*
Working now. Have no idea what I did.

Wolfgang Pauli fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Apr 17, 2013

Jabu
Feb 11, 2004

There are no heroes left in man
^^^ Works fine for me in Win7-64. Had to empty the cache but after that it's been fine.

Living vicariously through my child.



It's having some doubts about wanting to be associated with me though :(

podcat
Jun 21, 2012

Baronjutter posted:

Ah, I found a lone unanswered bug report on the paradox forums about it, the exact same situation as Argentina.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?683012-Argentinean-ciris-over-argentinean-region

Yeah this is new to me and tricky to reproduce, so if you could upload a savegame somewhere that would be epic.

Here is a temp fix:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?683012-Argentinean-ciris-over-argentinean-region&p=15339046&viewfull=1#post15339046

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


Wolfgang Pauli posted:

Wait, going to war over a backed nation doesn't make you go to war with that nation? What?
Yeah. I justified a "free puppet" war with the UK. I declared war, and demanded the release their dominion, Canada.

I proceeded to march into Ottawa before I realized I wasn't actually at war with Canada. Just the UK and it's other allies.

Honestly, I'm not sure why I could even walk troops into Canada while I wasn't at war with them.

podcat
Jun 21, 2012

Puella Magissima posted:

I got in a colonial crisis with the UK over British Columbia(obviously) and because of "too many wargoals" I had to withdraw. The weird thing was that I wasn't even in any wars and had added no wargoals to the crisis.

It was still loving intense though. I'm really liking the crisis system.

I assume by "too many wargoals" you mean AI response for offers to join your side? They will check what you have and if its worth too much know that you will cheat them out of the goals if it turns to war so wont accept. Perhaps offering smaller, cheaper goals instead would have worked.

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

podcat posted:

I assume by "too many wargoals" you mean AI response for offers to join your side? They will check what you have and if its worth too much know that you will cheat them out of the goals if it turns to war so wont accept. Perhaps offering smaller, cheaper goals instead would have worked.

I've had that malus at the start of a crisis when both nations only had one war goal normally colony ones but only on the uk not the usa

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won
Starting as Sweden in the 1836 aHoD start, why does my economy instantly fall to pieces and gently caress itself out of recovery from go? Raising all taxes to 100, slashing military/clergy/bureaucracy funding and everything doesn't help much, I just inevitably slipstream down unable to make a consistent profit. It's been a long time since I've played Vicky 2 (didn't get A House Divided until today, even, and the bulk of my playtime would have been just after release of the original V2), what's happening here?

I must say I'm enjoying Vicky with AHD and HoD, though. The crisis points are great at keeping the GPs on their toes, the colonial game appears to make for some interesting outcomes (my learn-to-play-again game as Brazil ended up with the UK releasing Canada in 1836 but then successfully colonising Oregon, Washington and Idaho without much competition. The only real issues at the moment, apart from me not really remembering how to play/what I should be doing are the constant dominion releases and the post-dominion colonising oddity. That, and as Brazil France kept deciding to dick on me for some reason :(

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost

Rumda posted:

I've had that malus at the start of a crisis when both nations only had one war goal normally colony ones but only on the uk not the usa

The tooltip might be a misleading, it basically refers to any wargoals added as a way to bribe the GPs. I will be toning down its effects a bit though.

meatbag
Apr 2, 2007
Clapping Larry

The Narrator posted:

Starting as Sweden in the 1836 aHoD start, why does my economy instantly fall to pieces and gently caress itself out of recovery from go? Raising all taxes to 100, slashing military/clergy/bureaucracy funding and everything doesn't help much, I just inevitably slipstream down unable to make a consistent profit. It's been a long time since I've played Vicky 2 (didn't get A House Divided until today, even, and the bulk of my playtime would have been just after release of the original V2), what's happening here?

I must say I'm enjoying Vicky with AHD and HoD, though. The crisis points are great at keeping the GPs on their toes, the colonial game appears to make for some interesting outcomes (my learn-to-play-again game as Brazil ended up with the UK releasing Canada in 1836 but then successfully colonising Oregon, Washington and Idaho without much competition. The only real issues at the moment, apart from me not really remembering how to play/what I should be doing are the constant dominion releases and the post-dominion colonising oddity. That, and as Brazil France kept deciding to dick on me for some reason :(

I'm experiencing the same, and there seems to be something strange with estimated income/actual income. The sum in the lower right of the budget window often projects a deficit, while on the main screen, the number in the top left says I run a surplus. I might be misunderstanding something though.

I desperately need someone to make a How to play-LP for Vic2 :(

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


meatbag posted:

I desperately need someone to make a How to play-LP for Vic2 :(

If I had HoD I'd probably give it a go, but until then it'll have to wait another month or two unless someone else does it :(

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won
Trip report part 2.

I must have just been lucky with Brazil. Every country I pick so far seems to fall apart economically as soon as the game kicks in. I've attempted games as Sweden, Mexico, the Netherlands and a quick go of the CSA in the '61 start.

Sweden, Mexico and the CSA's economy all lost it as soon as the game had started. As Mexico, should I just disband my starting army and build some regulars? I couldn't secure an alliance with any of the great powers (or the US), and buttering up the US only worked until I took one of Texas' territories, at which point the US decided to jump in anyway. In my first attempt, I dragged the US and myself into war for probably a couple of years. I managed to snag Washington and Oregon in the process, while the US was distracted with Oklahoma and Colorado. Even in my second game, when I managed to actually annex Texas, the US just refused to back down and slowly ground me into pieces.

In the 61 start, there doesn't seem to be any way to win as the Confederacy. Your starting armies are spectacularly outnumbered by the US, and even with mobilisation and building new armies, the US just has to rush a few doomstacks onto you and it's all over. They instantly begin sieging provinces while I'm still trying to get my army together!

Sweden... just doesn't work for some reason. I'd actually be fine with not fighting wars or anything for a while, if my economy would be working at the start of the game. Otherwise it's just a slow wait until I eventually can't cut any more costs or raise taxes, and I end up being unable to pay my loans.

Is it possible the dominion issue is related to the world economy going nuts at the start of every game? I noticed while playing as Mexico and a couple other countries that other countries seem to go bankrupt (giving me the free cassus belli) very quickly.

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podcat
Jun 21, 2012

The Narrator posted:

Is it possible the dominion issue is related to the world economy going nuts at the start of every game? I noticed while playing as Mexico and a couple other countries that other countries seem to go bankrupt (giving me the free cassus belli) very quickly.

Nah, dominions wont affect it. it will probably even help. Are you trying to build lots of factories early as sweden or something? When I ran a full sweden game last week I had no problems at all, but I waited a while before I started up any industry. The ecnomy is tighter now so if you are just going for military tech or such that can explain it. Getting industry techs is vitally important as well as techs that boost RGO output and mining. When you build factories check input goods and try and build them in places where you produce those inputs and things will get an efficiency bonus. Also, for a smooth economy make sure you subsidize factories until they are running fine. Trying to do early laissez-faire makes things a lot harder, so wait with that.

btw, dont keep your stockpile investment slider on max, its a huge chunk of money you have to invest which can be tough if you are building lots and have no buffer money, half-way is safer.

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