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Oof. Might that end up being a write-off? You have to be thorough with that kind of damage and a much newer Emirates A340 that had a tailstrike was apparently considered for scrap instead.
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Absolutely that's a write off. I'm sure the bulkhead is tweaked and that plane is over 20 years old (or so the spergs on avherald say.) No one wants 767-200s anymore.
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now, what happens to the pilot in that situation? Is he/she going to be un-employable?
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Mobius1B7R posted:Absolutely that's a write off. I'm sure the bulkhead is tweaked and that plane is over 20 years old (or so the spergs on avherald say.) No one wants 767-200s anymore. I wouldn't count on it. It's a 767. A week in a hangar with the sheetmetal gus and a bunch of doubler and tripler plates and she'll be flying again. Now watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDz6sEdrcfM my reaction: ... ... heh, cool... ... ... WHAT THE gently caress?! HOLY poo poo!
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Nerobro posted:now, what happens to the pilot in that situation? Is he/she going to be un-employable? I don't know how it works in other countries, but in the US, unless there are some impressive mitigating circumstances (rotating early to avoid another aircraft on the runway or something), that kind of accident would most likely end the pilot's career.
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Linedance posted:I wouldn't count on it. It's a 767. A week in a hangar with the sheetmetal gus and a bunch of doubler and tripler plates and she'll be flying again. Is that just what happens when you have a lightly-laden shrink-bodied airliner that weighs half what the wings and engines can handle?
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Either the aircraft is totally unladen, or it's a commercial zero-G simulator and they're giving their clients a bit of a thrill on takeoff.
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I would put money that there's half a dozen guys right at the rear of the plane whooping it up like a pack of loons.
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A friend of mine is a pilot in regional jets and said they take off at something like 50% throttle because the things are so over-engined. Told me they do ridiculous take offs on ferry flights, just for shits.
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Linedance posted:I wouldn't count on it. It's a 767. A week in a hangar with the sheetmetal gus and a bunch of doubler and tripler plates and she'll be flying again. Come to Toulouse; you'll see this on a daily basis. The Airbus flight test pilots routinely test the flight envelope protection during production flights. Nothing like seeing an A380 enter a 60 degree bank a few hundred feet in the air. Of course, when they do this with the customers on board, it usually results in logbook entries like "Cabin cleanup request at seat 7D."
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Haha that's a sweet airliner unrestricted climb maneuver.
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Cygni posted:A friend of mine is a pilot in regional jets and said they take off at something like 50% throttle because the things are so over-engined. Told me they do ridiculous take offs on ferry flights, just for shits. That's how Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701 happened
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ehnus posted:That's how Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701 happened As long as the ridiculous takeoffs are within the tech data, they're fine...literally standing the plane on its tail is probably not a good idea but just max performing the aircraft on takeoff is alright. 3701 got into trouble because they were doing poo poo that was outside the approved tech data for the aircraft, which got them into an engine out stall, and then they didn't follow approved procedures to restart the engines. Also they were just overall general dumbasses with piss poor airmanship. How you still manage to crash when you have 4 diverts within gliding range at 13,000 ft is beyond me.
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Cygni posted:A friend of mine is a pilot in regional jets and said they take off at something like 50% throttle because the things are so over-engined. Told me they do ridiculous take offs on ferry flights, just for shits. There's a Cessna servicing place at the airport right behind my house, they do all sorts of bizjet painting etc. It is extremely easy to tell when there are no passengers on board! Like loving rocketships sometimes, what a way to earn a living!
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Alereon posted:The crew apparently failed to inform ATC of the accident in a timely manner, resulting in damage to the nose gear of an Air Europa Airbus A330-200 that rolled over debris on takeoff seven minutes later. The aircrew of the Aeromexico flight were busy flying the aircraft and at the same time trying figure out just what the hell had happened that they didn't have time to declare an emergency. Even if they knew there was a tailstrike, they almost certainly didn't know the extent of the structural damage to the aircraft. As always, a pilots priorities are Aviate, Navigate, Communicate; if things are going wrong during one of the highest workload phases of flight, you should never, EVER take a brain and a pair of eyes out of the most critical task at hand - flying the aircraft - to do something extraneous like talk on the radio. azflyboy posted:I don't know how it works in other countries, but in the US, unless there are some impressive mitigating circumstances (rotating early to avoid another aircraft on the runway or something), that kind of accident would most likely end the pilot's career. What happens now is the crew will be suspended from duty with pay pending the result of the investigation. If poor airmanship comes up at any point as a contributing factor, then there will be a company disciplinary hearing for the crew, and very likely a tribunal convened by the regulator to review licenses. It's very possible that if they operated the aircraft in a negligent manner that the crew could have their licenses revoked, to say nothing of being fired.
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I don't have all the details, but I think 7 minutes is enough time to get a hold of ATC and let them know you have an emergency, and to tell them briefly what happened. If they had reported a tail strike, ATC should have shut the runway down until an inspection could be made. Generally, any emergency declared by a departing or arriving aircraft will result in the runway being unusable until an inspection is performed by airport personnel. Perhaps the emergency aircraft didn't report enough information to let ATC know that the incident occurred on the runway, regardless of what it was. Or, perhaps ATC was negligent in continuing to use the runway after a departing aircraft reported having an incident. The fine details aren't even necessary, ATC just needs to be informed that the aircraft encountered an anomaly during takeoff roll and that should clue them in to shut the runway down for inspection. 7 minutes would have been sufficient for most airmen to communicate at least something to ATC, I'd think. I'm only backseat judging here, I don't know what the crew went through.
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As a flight safety guy, crash compilation videos are morbidly fascinating to me. Wish I could track down the reports for some of these to see what the cause was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V85emYU_Z7o
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I do like the portion where the narrator is calmly saying "This is the first fully automated airplane, flown purely by computer". As the airline just plows straight into the treeline.
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Mr. Despair posted:I do like the portion where the narrator is calmly saying "This is the first fully automated airplane, flown purely by computer". That one is typical TLC docu-drama bullshit. e: The Caribou that goes vertical after takeoff had gust locks at least partially engaged. iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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holocaust bloopers posted:As a flight safety guy, crash compilation videos are morbidly fascinating to me. Wish I could track down the reports for some of these to see what the cause was. Another case where username + post has made me burst out laughing.
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ehnus posted:That's how Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701 happened No, it isn't.
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holocaust bloopers posted:As a flight safety guy, crash compilation videos are morbidly fascinating to me. Wish I could track down the reports for some of these to see what the cause was. I've seen most of those videos before, which ones do you want to find out?
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I live within spitting distance of Eglin AFB in the great American taint, the Florida panhandle. Within this base lies the USAF Armament Museum. Today, I went there. I took a load of pictures, resized them to shove on Imgur, and am offering them for your general viewing. Here are some highlights.        Here's the whole album. http://imgur.com/a/7kTRo And everything, original size, in a torrent. https://kat.ph/usaf-armament-museum-eglin-afb-april-17-2013-t7326724.html I just did a quick run of the inside due to it being the Doolittle Anniversary, it was packed. If anyone wants any detailed or special shots, let me know. I'll get them done ASAP.
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guh Panhandle Green gives me the shakes.
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Madurai posted:When's the last time the unimproved strip capacity was used? Beaten, but the answer is: pretty much all the time. Also comes in handy then you have to land places that are technically "airports" but are mainly used by the locals as junkyards/animal pastures.
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josiahgould posted:I live within spitting distance of Eglin AFB in the great American taint, the Florida panhandle. Within this base lies the USAF Armament Museum. Today, I went there. I took a load of pictures, resized them to shove on Imgur, and am offering them for your general viewing. Did they move the AC-119 to Hurlburt? or are my childhood memories of it being at Eglin wrong? Also it's weird seeing 53's on display when I so clearly remember them raising a ruckus flying up and down the sound.
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Speaking of air museums... This past weekend the Tsarina and I went up to Selfridge ANG to the Military Air Museum there. We'd been there before, but this time I brought a decent camera with me. It's a nice little museum, with some really good displays inside and a killer airpark. Here are some highlights:  This old P3 is one of two open display aircraft in the airpark, the other being an ancient C-130A. Each one is powered and full of mannequins and displays highlighting each aircraft's mission. One of the two old dudes that serve as volunteer docents aboard this aircraft actually served aboard it when it was in service. It's pretty cool getting a tour from him.  This antique is the other open/manned/display aircraft. The old dude who takes care of it keeps it in pretty good order, and his displays are pretty cool. Apparently this particular airframe spent most of its life as a hurricane chaser, and has some pretty catastrophic fractures in its wingbox because of it.  Here's a shot of Loadmaster Tsarina Katerina inspecting granddad's displays.  She got a promotion  Not only does this thing have mannequins inside looking busy, but it also broadcasts live from Selfridge's tower over some loudspeakers so you can listen to the comings and goings of aircraft and ATC in realtime. It's pretty cool.  The saddest Scorpion. This one arrived at the museum in three different truckloads of parts. Quite possibly the ugliest aircraft I've ever seen.  Obligatory Canberra  Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute...  Someone got Navy planes in my Air Force museum! The rest of the album can be viewed here if you're interested. Fair warning, there's more kid pictures in there. http://imgur.com/a/9U4zM
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Speaking of air museums... Man I live like a hour from there, I should really go check that out.
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You totally should, it's really cool. Better than I'd expected, actually.
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Thought you guys might find this interesting. My dad is in the process of scanning 40 years' worth of negatives of his visits to various airports. Highlight of what's been scanned so far is probably this. Apologies for the poor image quality, but it was a gloomy day and the years haven't been kind to the negatives either. The date is the 11th December 1988. An earthquake had hit Armenia 5 days before, and the Soviets had made an international appeal for rescue equipment. Some was in the UK, and Aeroflot arrived to pick it up with an AN-124 (by then a regular weekly visitor to Heathrow), and, much more unusually, an AN-22. This was one of only two occasions that an AN-22 has ever landed in the UK, and with the AN-22 fleet being run down it will probably never happen again.   Bonus 80's airliners:        
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Axeman Jim posted:Bonus 80's airliners: I flew on a TriStar to Hawaii and it was pretty nice until an engine exploded an hour out, the cabin filled with smoke, we had to dump all the fuel minus enough to get back to Honolulu, and land with the full 20 fire engine escort. Actually we got a free extra night in Hawaii because ATA couldn't scrounge up another plane until the next day, so it was pretty rad. Cygni fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Apr 18, 2013 |
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Just found this thread! I've been an AM T(technician) for almost 6 years now. I started off working at a repair station and worked my way to the production line. Not so glamorous here, most days I wish I was back on the repair side of things. Main gripe is "not enough work too much look busy". Lately just hoping that the industry doesn't go into further decline. I've been considering contract work as opposed to being a company minion. Any opinions from either side of the fence?
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Axeman Jim, that is a really neat collection, thanks for sharing.
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StandardVC10 posted:Axeman Jim, that is a really neat collection, thanks for sharing. Seconded, super cool photos. I like the 727 in the full fuselage Pan Am livery. Is that a -100?
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Huh, I guess those are JT8D engines on some of the craft, I don't remember those, they look kinda neat on the Luxair.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Seconded, super cool photos. I like the 727 in the full fuselage Pan Am livery. Is that a -100? No, it's a -200. It has an extra exit door in front of the engines and the No. 2 intake is a circle rather than an oval like on the -100.
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CharlesM posted:Huh, I guess those are JT8D engines on some of the craft, I don't remember those, they look kinda neat on the Luxair. They're still in use on the Mad Dog and the DC-9-51 that Delta still flies.
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CharlesM posted:Huh, I guess those are JT8D engines on some of the craft, I don't remember those, they look kinda neat on the Luxair. Be glad. I am so happy the days of complimentary ear plugs are behind us.
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CharlesM posted:I've seen most of those videos before, which ones do you want to find out? What one was the where the tri-engine (DC-10? my airline ID abilities are pretty poor) lands on what looks like sand?
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Advent Horizon posted:Be glad. I am so happy the days of complimentary ear plugs are behind us. To put it in even more bizarre perspective, those are the engines the USAF was looking at installing on the JSTARS to replace the TF-33 (JT3D) a couple of years ago.
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