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Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
This one came up yesterday between a couple of my friends. This happens pretty regularly.

Red is a typical milquetoast liberal, black is a libertarian veteran. Blue is an Englishman.



:regd07:


There's more if you want 'em.

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Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos

Mo_Steel posted:

For those unaware, spring in Minnesota has been colder than usual. As in it's snowing outside right now, and we're practically in May. The number of people commenting "heh, al gore global warming amirite" is reaching some sort of loving critical mass on Facebook and at this point I'm just not even sure where or if to begin. I don't have a desire to take general laments about the weather into some argument over the merits of climate science just because someone brings up Al Gore or global warming but I do think promoting absolutely basic scientific literacy is a good thing in general.

Suggestions on a positive approach? I've considered simply pointing out that Minnesota is not the entirety of Earth, or that the evidence is pointing to a trend of gradual average global temperature increase which doesn't preclude regional cold spells or even some years not being hotter than the previous year, or just calling them a loving moron who doesn't know the first loving thing about basic logic. :sigh: It's getting pretty old to see this lovely one liner trotted out.

Really? I haven't been getting any of that. A bunch of people complaining about the cold but no digs at global warming yet. I just want to argue on facebook :(

Amused to Death
Aug 10, 2009

google "The Night Witches", and prepare for :stare:
I've seen it twice so far in this thread today. If people are going to say "Your an idiot", they should really remember to make it You're*

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Amused to Death posted:

What's the point? I mean really, you can't reason with that level of stupidity. Ironically, when the blizzard to end all blizzards hit here in New England back in February the opposite effect happened, people were more convinced something was very wrong with the weather. Apparently all you need to get people to star believing science is two hurricanes, one of them being so bad it's called a Frankenstorm, a once in a century blizzard, and a freak early October ice storm, all happening within a year and half of each other. Who knew it was so easy! :v:

More so that this sort of bullshit doesn't go unchallenged. Very few people will point to global warming in an unseasonably warm period because (rightfully so) it's not itself evidence of global warming; the only time you see most anything about it is people criticizing the idea, which gives the impression to others that the idea is up in the air.

ShortStack
Jan 16, 2006

tinystax

Amused to Death posted:

I've seen it twice so far in this thread today. If people are going to say "Your an idiot", they should really remember to make it You're*

The proper response is "my an idiot".

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I think people started calling it "climate change" instead of "global warming" precisely because of all the "well how can it be global WARMING if the winter's so cold?!", besides the fact that "climate change" is technically more accurate because besides resulting in hotter summers, it does also result in more extreme weather on the opposite end of the spectrum (I'm not sure if I should explicitly say "colder winters")

There was also a chart I remember posted elsewhere in D&D that showed that average temperatures really are going up, but only if you go back by decades. If you only go back by years, people who don't believe in climate change are going to point out periods of cooling without realizing that it's just the El Nino-La Nina cycle.

Thompsons
Aug 28, 2008

Ask me about onklunk extraction.
Plus weren't there also a crazy number of storms and hurricanes last year, which also falls under the purview of climate change?

Brennanite
Feb 14, 2009
I have a pro-gun friend gloating on Facebook about the defeat of the Senate bills yesterday. I asked specifically about the background checks and he said the bill was poorly written and we should enforce the laws we have. The second is nonsense, but the first was not something I'd expected. I've asked for examples, but are there any decent (re: not produced by the NRA) analyses of the proposed expansion of background checks.

Ramadu
Aug 25, 2004

2015 NFL MVP


Brennanite posted:

I have a pro-gun friend gloating on Facebook about the defeat of the Senate bills yesterday. I asked specifically about the background checks and he said the bill was poorly written and we should enforce the laws we have. The second is nonsense, but the first was not something I'd expected. I've asked for examples, but are there any decent (re: not produced by the NRA) analyses of the proposed expansion of background checks.

I'm actually honestly curious, why do you say its nonsense to "enforce the laws we already have"? I hear that parroted by all the radio talking heads too.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates

Ramadu posted:

I'm actually honestly curious, why do you say its nonsense to "enforce the laws we already have"? I hear that parroted by all the radio talking heads too.

It's nonsense in part because the NRA has spent decades pushing legislation to make it practically impossible to do so.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Ramadu posted:

I'm actually honestly curious, why do you say its nonsense to "enforce the laws we already have"? I hear that parroted by all the radio talking heads too.
1) Ensure that gun laws are filled with loopholes
2) Anytime there is a mass shooting, observe that all the guns involved were acquired legally or illegally so what's the point of more gun laws :smug:

Dr. Lariat
Jul 1, 2004

by Lowtax
3) Defund and understaff the ATF to the point of uselessness. Also pass laws that prevent the ATF from doing their job properly. Laws written by.....
The NRA.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2013/01/17/jon-stewart-nra-limiting-atf-law-enforcement_n_2495301.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...urrent-gun-laws

There's more articles where those came from.

Dr. Lariat fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Apr 19, 2013

nsaP
May 4, 2004

alright?

Amused to Death posted:

I've seen it twice so far in this thread today. If people are going to say "Your an idiot", they should really remember to make it You're*

Sometimes there are people like me, who know the difference, but type the wrong thing anyway because it annoys people like you. If you know what they mean, attacking a person's grammar over their argument is pretty weak. I don't mind people thinking I'm dumber than I am, either.

Amused to Death
Aug 10, 2009

google "The Night Witches", and prepare for :stare:

nsaP posted:

Sometimes there are people like me, who know the difference, but type the wrong thing anyway because it annoys people like you. If you know what they mean, attacking a person's grammar over their argument is pretty weak. I don't mind people thinking I'm dumber than I am, either.

It normally wouldn't annoy me, it just carries cosmic irony making a grammar mistake that large when calling someone else an idiot.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Amused to Death posted:

It normally wouldn't annoy me, it just carries cosmic irony making a grammar mistake that large when calling someone else an idiot.
And the idiot in question here is usually someone who posted a political diatribe without understanding the irony of whatever point he's making about low info voters or whatever, sometimes while attempting to employ their own intentionally ironic oh God it never ends...!!1!

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib


He responded with "Go ahead, you blame him for everything else!" to which I pointed out that that meme attributes an act of vandalism, an industrial accident and one event I couldn't really find any info on as an attack on American soil. I then pointed out there were several industrial accidents under Bush's watch and it hasn't been 12 years if you are going to count accidents. I'm amazed he didn't mention Benghazi.

Amused to Death
Aug 10, 2009

google "The Night Witches", and prepare for :stare:
You could respond with the fact the attackers in Boston are Chechen, and apparently came here 10 years ago on an asylum visa, so yeah, it is Bush's fault :v:

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

nsaP posted:

Sometimes there are people like me, who know the difference, but type the wrong thing anyway because it annoys people like you. If you know what they mean, attacking a person's grammar over their argument is pretty weak. I don't mind people thinking I'm dumber than I am, either.

Contrariwise, if somebody's grammar is so bad I can't understand their argument, I feel somewhat justified in hammering it mercilessly. Especially when they're being a poo poo anyway.

Arabian Jesus
Feb 15, 2008

We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

I finally got that Bill Cosby "I'm old and tired" on my Facebook feed. :)

Interlude
Jan 24, 2001

Guns are basically hand fedoras.

Mornacale posted:

It's nonsense in part because the NRA has spent decades pushing legislation to make it practically impossible to do so.
Zuh? You're telling me the NRA has influence over every local DA that doesn't prosecute straw purchases or lying on NICS forms, or uses gun charges to get low-level drug dealers to take down their suppliers?

myron cope
Apr 21, 2009

I like the MOHAMMAD OBAMA part. No, I'm not racist. You're the racist for even thinking that's racist, man.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
Congratulations to Newscorp for effectively creating a right-wing meme out of whole cloth by just straight up lying about a Saudi suspect though. That takes some real chops.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


Dad just posted this:

quote:

Anyone else a little freaked out byhm how a city of millions just meekly submitted to martial law?

Because an unenforced "stay inside" order constitutes martial law. Oh dad. :ughh:

Sir Rolo
Oct 16, 2012


just got retweeted on my feed

SalTheBard
Jan 26, 2005

I forgot to post my food for USPOL Thanksgiving but that's okay too!

Fallen Rib

Mornacale posted:

Congratulations to Newscorp for effectively creating a right-wing meme out of whole cloth by just straight up lying about a Saudi suspect though. That takes some real chops.

I've seen so much about this. Anyway to combat it?

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Sir Rolo posted:



just got retweeted on my feed

This is what we do now. We taunt victims of terrorist attacks while they're ongoing.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
This recently got posted on my feed:

quote:

To understand why America's economy is still so bad, listen to this Columbia graduate, Wayne Root (graduated in same class as Obama), talk about what they learned in college. Just consider how much of this is actually happening, and being pushed

"You see political science students at Columbia were taught a detailed plan designed by two former Columbia professors named Cloward and Piven to bring down “the system,” destroy capitalism, and turn America into a socialist state. We discussed it in class, wrote about it, and debated it outside class. It was a hot topic of discussion around the halls of Columbia for four years.

The plan was revolting, but brilliant. Cloward and Piven taught that America could only be destroyed from within. Only by overwhelming the system with debt, welfare, and entitlements could capitalism and the America economy be destroyed. So the plan was to make a majority of Americans dependent on welfare, food stamps, disability, unemployment, and entitlements of all kinds. Then, under the weight of the debt, the system would implode and the economy collapse, bankrupting business owners (i.e. conservative donors). Americans would be brought to their knees, begging for big government to save them. Voila – you’d have a new system.

A system based on fairness, equality and social justice. It’s called Socialism.

Sound familiar?"

I'm guessing whatever Cloward and Piven were teaching wasn't actually about "wanting to bring Americans to their knees"?

Amused to Death
Aug 10, 2009

google "The Night Witches", and prepare for :stare:

Zerilan posted:

This recently got posted on my feed:


I'm guessing whatever Cloward and Piven were teaching wasn't actually about "wanting to bring Americans to their knees"?

Not unless you actually believe there's a grand scheme of things whose end goal is to send the nation into completely economic disaster for the sole purpose of lowering campaign contribution to Republicans. Also you'd have to believe a person who used the phrase

quote:

A system based on fairness, equality and social justice

as a pejorative.

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
Also you have to believe that any human in the entire earth wants to expand the size of government as an end to itself. Nobody exists who favors "big government" in the way that conservatives use it, only "government that has certain powers/responsibilities that others might not prefer". I know Ivies aren't the be-all end-all, but I'm pretty sure their political science courses should be good enough to point that out.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Zerilan posted:

This recently got posted on my feed:


I'm guessing whatever Cloward and Piven were teaching wasn't actually about "wanting to bring Americans to their knees"?

I'd be tempted to respond with this graph:



Yeah, socialism looks sooooo bad that a vast majority of Americans prefer literal Communism with exactly equal wealth distribution to the current American system of rampant inequality.

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
Actually that graph looks like a nice thing to respond with, especially fitting since the guy posting that knows I'm doing a study abroad year in Sweden in a couple months. What's its source?

Evrart Claire fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Apr 20, 2013

Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
I want to find the 8% of people who picked that U.S. chart over Sweden and destroy them.

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Zerilan posted:

Actually that graph looks like a nice thing to respond with, especially fitting since the guy posting that knows I'm doing a study abroad year in Sweden in a couple months. What's its source?

http://www.people.hbs.edu/mnorton/norton%20ariely%20in%20press.pdf

Mornacale posted:

I want to find the 8% of people who picked that U.S. chart over Sweden and destroy them.

Welcome to the Communist Party

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Sir Rolo posted:



just got retweeted on my feed

What a loving rear end in a top hat. How about all those armed, trained police officers, who got hurt by these guys and had guns? What the gently caress then tough guy? Do you even loving care that people lost their lives trying to protect this city? And his loving apology was I apologize for being ill timed. That's not an apology rear end in a top hat. God, gently caress you.

KillerJunglist
May 22, 2007

Lion of Judah protect you, Jah be praised.

Sir Rolo posted:



just got retweeted on my feed

I wonder how many Boston conservatives were poised at their windows, rifle in hand, having to use every last ounce of willpower to keep from shooting every moving target they saw.

Probably none in both cases, actually.

Wait, this Nate Bell feller is an ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE? Jesus Christ, I thought he was some radio show host or something. gently caress this guy, for real.

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
This little guy was posted in response to some stupid gun debate.
http://mddall.com/sbss/0311.htm

Laundry list of fallacies, I tell you.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Today I saw these.





And I just want to punch whoever made them right in the god damned face.

Sir Rolo
Oct 16, 2012
Well the first one is just good old fashioned bigotry. I do enjoy the patriotic gradient over "Fewer Crazy Muslims".

The second one, I think it could use some more arrows.

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013


THE GAYEST POSTER posted:

Today I saw these.



And I just want to punch whoever made them right in the god damned face.
That Syria one pisses me off. "The government is murdering citizens in the street daily because you're Muslims :smug: :freep:"

Then again I have heard someone make the argument that :siren:Benghazi:siren: would not have occurred if we just let Gaddafi crush the rebellion in Libya, so :smithicide:

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Mornacale
Dec 19, 2007

n=y where
y=hope and n=folly,
prospects=lies, win=lose,

self=Pirates
The worst part of the Syria one isn't just that it's racist. It's that they took an image of a bunch of people halfway around the world, offering empathy for complete strangers, and used it to demean those same people. It's honestly one of the most despicable things posted in this thread, I think.

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