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PBJ: Oct 10, 2012; Grimey Drawer

DerLeo posted:

If you hold down shift when you click to upgrade a factory, it upgrades every factory close to its employment limit.

What

edit: looks like planned economy just became a lot more attractive.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 20:14

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ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

Yeah, that was one of the huge quality-of-life additions they put into AHD, if I remember correctly. I just wish there was a way to mass destroy closed factories. Pretty much the only reason I don't run LF.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 20:17

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Raneman posted:

That pop growth is insane, how would you get that high?

Choosing techs, decisions and reforms that buff your pop growth as soon as possible, get control of Germany + Austria-Hungary very early on (so the buffs applied to the Austrian territories as well), and never researching the techs that encourage emigration. I ended up with a population of 335 million in 1936, 232 million of them Germans. :v:

(Looking at the save, the pop growth in December was only 109k, so I guess it varied a bit.)

E: Maybe the NNM health care reform is to blame? +0.15% pop growth seems like a lot. It basically doubles the growth rate from techs and life rating. Or is that vanilla? I used to play APD, so I have no idea.

DerLeo posted:

If you hold down shift when you click to upgrade a factory, it upgrades every factory close to its employment limit.

Not as precise as I would like, but I'll take it! Thanks.

A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Apr 21, 2013

# ? Apr 21, 2013 20:17

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Does anyone find money a total non-issue by the late-mid game? It's 1890 and I just have hundreds of thousands in the bank. Even with max military funding I've making about +400 a day and just give my people reverse tarrifs to make them happy. Contrary to the early game where it's super hard not to go bankrupt.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 20:21

TropicalCoke: Feb 14, 2012

Should I get Victoria 2, and if so, what expansions should I be getting/any guides to understanding the game itself? I have over 200 hours in CK2.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 20:22

Demiurge4: Aug 10, 2011

There's a nasty bug in the game that causes factories to stop paying wages to their workers, which tanks your taxes. It happens about once every hour, but thankfully it can be fixed by saving and reloading. Still annoying though, I wonder how that got through testing.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 20:36

Wolfgang Pauli: Mar 26, 2008; One Three Seven

PBJ posted:

Yeah. Prussia and myself backed Egypt in the Oriental Crisis (first time I've ever seen that happen), and Egypt went on a conquering spree for the next few decades.

I've been itching to do an Ismael Pasha game and build an Empire of the Nile�, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Maybe I will now that NNM is out and there are more Barbaric Slave-Trading African Speedbumps to westernize off of.

TropicalCoke posted:

Should I get Victoria 2, and if so, what expansions should I be getting/any guides to understanding the game itself? I have over 200 hours in CK2.

You should only get Vicky 2 if you like fun :colbert:

But really, it's a very deep game that will take some getting used to. Luckily, you can, for the most part, ignore most of it and be perfectly fine. It's more about optimization and force projecting your Industrial Might than anything else. The political system is probably the best I've seen in any game and the economy is... deep. It's flawed to be sure, but it's more than passable once you learn its quirks. (I'm not sure if anyone in PDS has really sat down to analyze the supply and demand of the economy. Values for POP consumption and such have always felt pretty spitballed.)

Vicky 2 is also Old Model Paradox where every expansion and every patch are mandatory for the Good Times. Plus with the latest expansion you can draw dicks all over the Crimea and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

Demiurge4 posted:

There's a nasty bug in the game that causes factories to stop paying wages to their workers, which tanks your taxes. It happens about once every hour, but thankfully it can be fixed by saving and reloading. Still annoying though, I wonder how that got through testing.

A lot of the non-gamebreaking stuff was allowed into the release build. You can tell that the diplo-AI and the new battle AI still have residual bugs left over. You still get stuff like loving Stupid War Leaders, tons of crises ending in white peace only to pop off again once the cooldown wears off, and the AI not quite understanding that it should be organizing its mobilized conscripts instead of throwing them piecemeal at my min-maxed Proper Composition doomstack. It's stuff that works just fine, but I guess they didn't have time to fix every little niggling concern before they had to ship.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:11

Communist Bear: Oct 7, 2008

Oh poo poo, a communist revolution has happened :ohdear:

Also France humiliated me in a crisis war and I lost 50 odd prestige. Dicks. Still 5th in ranking thoiugh., but I might go back a save since the war I was in seemed utterly pointless.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:26

Friend Commuter: Nov 3, 2009; SO CLEVER I WANT TO FUCK MY OWN BRAIN.; Smellrose

WMain00 posted:

Oh poo poo, a communist revolution has happened

It's fine, by the time communists start appearing any sort of actual military should be able to kick the poo poo out of any number of rebels.

Unless you want to be commie, in which case just vacate your capital for a few months.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:29

Scrree: Jan 16, 2008; the history of all dead generations,

I would say keep going even if you lose a war or two (unless it utterly cripples you and you know you'll straight up lose the game soon). Having that -50 prestige in mind will make the next sacking of Paris that much sweeter.

Also yeah rebels are pointless 90% of the time in vanilla; rebels in the POP of Darkness (PDM for HoD) beta, however, are loving crazy and kind of entertaining. I actually had a revolution happen when I that I couldn't stop because I had spread out my armies and 50k Jacobins spawned in my capital and held off for long enough to take the government - it fairly real.

I think the one big thing that Victoria 2 is missing is a simulation of a civil war - the Carlists in Spain, the American Civil War, the Russian Civil War all fall within this time period yet there is no general Civil War Crisis.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:35

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

TropicalCoke posted:

Should I get Victoria 2, and if so, what expansions should I be getting/any guides to understanding the game itself? I have over 200 hours in CK2.

Victoria II is not a perfect game. It has a lot of minor issues. You should still buy it, because there aren't enough minor issues to keep it from being one of the best strategy games ever made.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:36

Communist Bear: Oct 7, 2008

I'm not sure if I want to be commie or not. The nation is pretty socialist as it is so its kind of surprising a revolution occurred.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:38

Wolfgang Pauli: Mar 26, 2008; One Three Seven

Friend Commuter posted:

It's fine, by the time communists start appearing any sort of actual military should be able to kick the poo poo out of any number of rebels.

Unless you want to be commie, in which case just vacate your capital for a few months.

I wish there was a button that tells your units not to engage rebels. Even if you pull back into low-population provinces, they can still drop a stack that'll do some serious damage to your army. Plus the army passively supporting uprisings by not leaving the barracks was definitely a thing in this time period.

I also wish that different rebel groups would fight each other. You often see reactionaries and jacobins fighting side by side and really they should be tearing each others' throats out, a la the Paris rioting following the Stavisky affair.

*edit*
vvvv

Karanas posted:

So what's your ability to achieve anything in Vicky II if you're not a great or secondary power, or will you just get eaten by greater powers? I'm interested in the game but I'm worried that the setting restrict it from creating the sort of empires you could achieve while starting with one or two regions.

A player who knows his way around the mechanics shouldn't have any trouble GPing as Sokoto or Brunei. I turned Afghanistan into the Great Imperial Power, dismantled Britain (I even gave Liverpool to Ireland as a colony), and ate the subcontinent.

Wolfgang Pauli fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Apr 21, 2013

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:43

Karanas: Jul 17, 2011; Euuuuuuuugh

So what's your ability to achieve anything in Vicky II if you're not a great or secondary power, or will you just get eaten by greater powers? I'm interested in the game but I'm worried that the setting restrict it from creating the sort of empires you could achieve while starting with one or two regions.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:44

uPen: Jan 25, 2010; Zu Rodina!

Karanas posted:

So what's your ability to achieve anything in Vicky II if you're not a great or secondary power, or will you just get eaten by greater powers? I'm interested in the game but I'm worried that the setting restrict it from creating the sort of empires you could achieve while starting with one or two regions.

The 2 games I've most enjoyed were taking Texas to the #1 spot while taking the Pacific coast of the US up to California and Central America down to the Suez and making Haitii the premier colonial power in the game with 90% of Africa.

Starting as an unciv is a little more difficult but you could probably get the #3-4 slot pretty easily.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:52

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

Karanas posted:

So what's your ability to achieve anything in Vicky II if you're not a great or secondary power, or will you just get eaten by greater powers? I'm interested in the game but I'm worried that the setting restrict it from creating the sort of empires you could achieve while starting with one or two regions.

There was a guy earlier in the thread during the wait for HoD who had turned Afghanistan into the premier world power, and humbled the UK by forcing them to release Ireland and give them a state in the home isle. Even as an unciv it is definitely possible to become a world power.

YF-23 fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Apr 21, 2013

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:56

Wolfgang Pauli: Mar 26, 2008; One Three Seven

Scrree posted:

I think the one big thing that Victoria 2 is missing is a simulation of a civil war - the Carlists in Spain, the American Civil War, the Russian Civil War all fall within this time period yet there is no general Civil War Crisis.

Vicky 2 is really lousy at dynamic anything. You can't even add an accepted culture unless you know what culture it will be beforehand. Going back to CK2 once Old Gods dropped will feel like a vacation. Plus EU: Rome handled civil wars by storing the revolter away in a separate tag. Doubling the number of tags in HoD, especially something like NNM, wouldn't be very fun.

YF-23 posted:

There was a guy earlier in the thread during the wait for HoD who had turned Afghanistan into the premier world power, and humbled the UK by forcing them to release Ireland and give them a state in the home isles. Even as an unciv it is definitely possible to become a world power.

You forgot where I took every single Indian province from them. That poo poo's cheap during a Great War. :whatup:

I actually had so many wargoals that I broke the peace and it ended up not giving me all of them.

Wolfgang Pauli fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Apr 21, 2013

# ? Apr 21, 2013 21:57

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

YF-23 posted:

There was a guy earlier in the thread during the wait for HoD who had turned Afghanistan into the premier world power, and humbled the UK by forcing them to release Ireland and give them a state in the home isles. Even as an unciv it is definitely possible to become a world power.

Though if you want to remain a somewhat sensible state, it's not as flexible as EU3 in terms of your territory. That said, even if this was a period where the Europeans were staking their claims all over the world, you don't need to create a world spanning empire to achieve something - the achievement might just be more internal than external. Even if that Afghanistan from earlier had just become a modern industrialized state by the end of the game you would still be far ahead of real life. Add neighboring states as well to create an Afghan empire and you're doing really well, while an overseas empire is really just icing on the cake.

Wolfgang Pauli posted:

Vicky 2 is really lousy at dynamic anything. You can't even add an accepted culture unless you know what culture it will be beforehand. Going back to CK2 once Old Gods dropped will feel like a vacation. Plus EU: Rome handled civil wars by storing the revolter away in a separate tag. Doubling the number of tags in HoD, especially something like NNM, wouldn't be very fun.

How much of the processing power in Victoria II is spent on stuff that goes on with the tags though? Isn't the basic unit in terms of resources the pops? (And regiments moving around.)

# ? Apr 21, 2013 22:07

Patter Song: Mar 26, 2010; Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.; Fun Shoe

World Stage is a hell of a drug.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 22:09

Quantumfate: Feb 17, 2009; Angered & displeased, he went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, insulted & cursed him with rude, harsh words.

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DerLeo posted:

Also, with France, Austria, and Russia broken up, Prussia looks awfully easy to turn into Germany there.

Riso posted:

Make Greece independent, and turn western Prussia into Westphalia.

I'd like to keep greece part of the greco-turkish union. You do have a good point about prussia though. I think I will split off western prussia.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 22:21

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Patter Song posted:

World Stage is a hell of a drug.

Now just combine this with Framed! and you've got the perfect game :getin:

e; I'm assuming that comes up when you break the badboy limit, though I wouldn't put it past Ubik for an event like that to just slam into you out of absofuckinglutely nowhere.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 22:25

Cynic Jester: Apr 11, 2009; Let's put a simile on that face
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Karanas posted:

So what's your ability to achieve anything in Vicky II if you're not a great or secondary power, or will you just get eaten by greater powers? I'm interested in the game but I'm worried that the setting restrict it from creating the sort of empires you could achieve while starting with one or two regions.

The easiest way to break the game in half is to play China or Japan and westernize in the 1850s. The great powers are too far away to properly project force and you can just steamroll your way through Asia and become pretty much impossible to beat. I ended my China game after a Great War where I fought off Britain, NGF, Austria, Russia and France pretty much all on my own(And conquered all of eastern Russia, because why not). I'm pretty sure starting as one of the 8 greater powers(beside Britain) makes for a far harder game.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 22:33

Smirr: Jun 28, 2012

Patter Song posted:

World Stage is a hell of a drug.

Content aside, what to they have against percentages? I guess at least it's not "cut our manpower by an estupendous amount, plus reparations valuing most, but not almost all of our trade income".

# ? Apr 21, 2013 22:42

Pump it up! Do it!: Oct 3, 2012

Patter Song posted:

World Stage is a hell of a drug.

So Ubik thought that one of the things that always had been missing from grand strategy games was the feauture of forcing the player nation to be subjected to the treaty of Versailles?

# ? Apr 21, 2013 23:01

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

DerLeo posted:

If you hold down shift when you click to upgrade a factory, it upgrades every factory close to its employment limit.

My god.

Seriously this makes planned economy/state capitalism so much easier.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 23:11

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

I don't really understand why the response to "These players are gaming the reputation system in an unrealistic way" is "Let's throw in a back-breaking, nonsensical event chain that is probably even more unrealistic".

# ? Apr 21, 2013 23:11

Drone: Aug 22, 2003; Incredible machine

Playing a Dutch game of AHD to whet my appetite until I can afford HoD, and I just saw Russia back the Heavenly Kingdom in the Taiping Rebellion. And they won. 120+ hours in Vicky 2 over the years and I haven't ever seen the Taiping win, ever, until now.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 23:12

PBJ: Oct 10, 2012; Grimey Drawer

Drone posted:

Playing a Dutch game of AHD to whet my appetite until I can afford HoD, and I just saw Russia back the Heavenly Kingdom in the Taiping Rebellion. And they won. 120+ hours in Vicky 2 over the years and I haven't ever seen the Taiping win, ever, until now.

That's really interesting. The only way I've ever been able to win while playing as the Heavenly Kingdom was to sue for peace, and attempt to break the Qing the moment they were involved in a war against a foreign power.

# ? Apr 21, 2013 23:18

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# ? Apr 21, 2013 23:59

DrSunshine: Mar 23, 2009; Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!

Cynic Jester posted:

The easiest way to break the game in half is to play China or Japan and westernize in the 1850s.

How do you Westernize as China by the 1850s? The earliest I've ever managed to do it is by early 1870 or so.

# ? Apr 22, 2013 00:51

ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

Any tips for playing as Johore? Doesn't seem possible right now, seeing as the Netherlands will gun for you in the first couple of years, and you can't exactly fight them off.

# ? Apr 22, 2013 00:56

Patter Song: Mar 26, 2010; Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.; Fun Shoe

DrSunshine posted:

How do you Westernize as China by the 1850s? The earliest I've ever managed to do it is by early 1870 or so.

The new points through conquest thing and the massive points generated by Korea and Johore allow China a good shot at it, though the need to have at least one reform before it can get started means I'd be skeptical of 1850s. Around 1860 would be possible in HOD, though!

# ? Apr 22, 2013 01:03

Cynic Jester: Apr 11, 2009; Let's put a simile on that face
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DrSunshine posted:

How do you Westernize as China by the 1850s? The earliest I've ever managed to do it is by early 1870 or so.

You should be able to get it done pretty easily. My first China game involved me conquering Korea and Dai Nam with none of the RP bonus on conquer reforms (it ended up being my 4th reform) and I westernized in 1873. If you wait for your first tech and grab one of them, Korea will net you 25k RP and your other conquests will net you around a reform each after that. 1860s should be piss easy and I suspect 1850s is also possible, though you'll have to deal with an absurd amount of rebels if you go through the reforms that fast. Just give it a go as Japan and see how fast you can go through them. You'll generally not be limited by RP but rather rebels and the time limit on reforms.

# ? Apr 22, 2013 01:37

Patter Song: Mar 26, 2010; Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.; Fun Shoe

Cynic Jester posted:

You should be able to get it done pretty easily. My first China game involved me conquering Korea and Dai Nam with none of the RP bonus on conquer reforms (it ended up being my 4th reform) and I westernized in 1873. If you wait for your first tech and grab one of them, Korea will net you 25k RP and your other conquests will net you around a reform each after that. 1860s should be piss easy and I suspect 1850s is also possible, though you'll have to deal with an absurd amount of rebels if you go through the reforms that fast. Just give it a go as Japan and see how fast you can go through them. You'll generally not be limited by RP but rather rebels and the time limit on reforms.

Japan's different because it has starting reforms in 1836 so it can start harvesting points from day 1. It's in the Persia/Egypt camp of countries that seriously benefit from the changes.

# ? Apr 22, 2013 01:40

ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

ZearothK posted:

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Some things I noticed on my start as Croatia:

Shouldn't New South Wales and Queensland be considered states by Croatia? Conversely, should Madagascar be considered as such? Also all the other places without a single Croat. And speaking of no Croats, Not-Croatia doesn't seem to have any either. Though that may be in line with the LP, as I don't have the archives to read it

. You may also want to consider putting Not-Croatia in someone's sphere, or at least making them at friendly with Germany or something. Right now they start with zero defensive troops, making it pretty easy to pop in and annex them. The starting event for Croatia is also unreadable, as the title text completely overlays the entire event notice. Was pretty funny.

Also Srbgyptians cracked me up.

ThatBasqueGuy fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Apr 22, 2013

# ? Apr 22, 2013 01:52

Beamed: Nov 26, 2010; Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.

Quantumfate posted:

For what it's worth, I actually have a release state for a Victoria 2 HoD mod I've been putting together. It adds some new nations and re-adjusts others. Europe is pretty balkanized now, and the americas are interesting. If you want to check out some wonky alt-history stuff, here it is!

It's still a work in progress, I know. I want to clean up the OOBs and Localisations, fix political partes, work on africa some, and absolutely re-adjust pops.
Still, I think it's still playable as it is right now, and I would really love some input on it (Barring the above, which I already know needs work )

Just a headsup you should post this on the main forums. They can be awful but you'll get a wider audience and hopefully more help testing etc.

# ? Apr 22, 2013 01:58

ZearothK: Aug 25, 2008; I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

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ThatBasqueGuy posted:

Some things I noticed on my start as Croatia:

Shouldn't New South Wales and Queensland be considered states by Croatia? Conversely, should Madagascar be considered as such? Also all the other places without a single Croat. And speaking of no Croats, Not-Croatia doesn't seem to have any either. Though that may be in line with the LP, as I don't have the archives to read it . You may also want to consider putting Not-Croatia in someone's sphere, or at least making them at friendly with Germany or something. Right now they start with zero defensive troops, making it pretty easy to pop in and annex them. The starting event for Croatia is also unreadable, as the title text completely overlays the entire event notice. Was pretty funny.

Also Srbgyptians cracked me up.

You're right on the first account, but yes, Madagascar should be considered a state. Specially because the AI will release it as a dominion otherwise. As for Not-Croatia... Well, it used to begin with an alliance with Italy, but AI Croatia has never tried to recover her homeland, so I've been making Not-Croatia as vulnerable as possible. It's pretty much like breeding pandas.

# ? Apr 22, 2013 02:14

Knifefan: Nov 5, 2008; JEALOUS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SEX

Cynic Jester posted:

You should be able to get it done pretty easily. My first China game involved me conquering Korea and Dai Nam with none of the RP bonus on conquer reforms (it ended up being my 4th reform) and I westernized in 1873. If you wait for your first tech and grab one of them, Korea will net you 25k RP and your other conquests will net you around a reform each after that. 1860s should be piss easy and I suspect 1850s is also possible, though you'll have to deal with an absurd amount of rebels if you go through the reforms that fast. Just give it a go as Japan and see how fast you can go through them. You'll generally not be limited by RP but rather rebels and the time limit on reforms.

I've been able to do it by 1846 as China and it should be possible to do it a year earlier. The best way to westernize quickly that I can figure out is to "bank" conquered nations while waiting to pass army reforms, and then accept their annexation once you are able to receive the conquer research points. Rebels aren't much of a problem, as once the reforms start rolling Westernization follows quickly. Of course westernizing that early as China(and especially with conquered nations since they westernize with you) completely trivializes the game.

# ? Apr 22, 2013 02:18

ThatBasqueGuy: Feb 14, 2013; someone introduce jojo to lazyb

ZearothK posted:

You're right on the first account, but yes, Madagascar should be considered a state. Specially because the AI will release it as a dominion otherwise. As for Not-Croatia... Well, it used to begin with an alliance with Italy, but AI Croatia has never tried to recover her homeland, so I've been making Not-Croatia as vulnerable as possible. It's pretty much like breeding pandas.

You actually might just want to consider making everything start as a state. I got to GP status purely through converting colonies to states.

drat, those immigrants are nice.

Edit: There is a huge bottleneck in Machine Parts in the early game. It has a supply of five and a demand of over 6,000. This puts a huge throttle on industrialization.

ThatBasqueGuy fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Apr 22, 2013

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Farecoal: Oct 15, 2011; There he go

The majority of the 600 or so capitalists in my current game are Ashkenazi :lol:

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