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For the Maddog fans out there, one of the best cockpit videos I have come across. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6M9c-Bfes Also, I LOOOVE 20th century cockpits. Give me knobs, and chunky switches, and rolling numbers, and 7 segment LEDs!  As for the f-35: it's teetering, it just needs a teeeny little push.
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Seems like the controller in that video is working non-radar approach, tower, and ground control for that airport. That's quite the workload.
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holocaust bloopers posted:That's just ridiculous to look at. I also feel terrible for the crew because that poo poo has to be loud as all get out. Plane probably handles a one engine out emergency really well though. http://www.avsimrus.com/f/cockpit-video-97/landing-an-72-15887.html?action=viewonline Doesn't actually sound all that loud (for a transport, unfortunately the C-17 has so much more power that it'd be unfair to compare engine noise, and there's no in-cockpit video of the YC-14, just silent-ish external footage) until they hit the reversers.
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Hello fellow aerogoons. I'm posting here to see if anyone would like to make a writeup for my Automotive Technology Thread about turbo-compounding engines. I can try to do this myself but I feel like someone here might be able to get a little more technical and historic than I could. The post would be a follow up on how turbo-charging works in which I have already made a writeup. Would anyone feel up to the task?
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rcman50166 posted:Hello fellow aerogoons. I'm posting here to see if anyone would like to make a writeup for my Automotive Technology Thread about turbo-compounding engines. I can try to do this myself but I feel like someone here might be able to get a little more technical and historic than I could. The post would be a follow up on how turbo-charging works in which I have already made a writeup. Would anyone feel up to the task? You mean parts-recovery turbines?
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MrYenko posted:You mean parts-recovery turbines? Yea, but kept in perspective to a reciprocating piston combustion engine. From what I understand (not too much), they were predominantly put in planes. The fact that they make quasi-continuous combustion systems makes for a very interesting topic.
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I can do the writeup. I'll try to tackle it tonight.
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Thanks man. I don't think I could trust anyone else to do a technical write-up more than you. No offense to anyone else.
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Jonny Nox posted:As for the f-35: it's teetering, it just needs a teeeny little push. Not for the US services. This thing has been politically driven since day one and politics overrides common sense or military necessity every time.
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Godholio posted:Not for the US services. This thing has been politically driven since day one and politics overrides common sense or military necessity every time. The best part of the article is a quote by an aerospace anaylist saying "By implying that the contractors are greedy...". Apparently there's people out there (who aren't on LockMart's payroll) who don't think "how much can we overcharge?" has been the business model of US defense contractors for the last 30 years.
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azflyboy posted:The best part of the article is a quote by an aerospace anaylist saying "By implying that the contractors are greedy...". Apparently there's people out there (who aren't on LockMart's payroll) who don't think "how much can we overcharge?" has been the business model of US defense contractors for the last 30 years. Not to defend the Corporate Megaconglomerates that currently own most of the US military's procurement contracts, but the blame rests equally on the services themselves, and the politicians that make budgeting decisions. A: Changing specifications umpteen times during development, and requiring seventeen hundred different tests and standards from each nut and bolt on an airplane or tank does not an affordable program make. B: Tailoring a procurement program to "produce between one and three hundred new jobs in my district" instead of "produce a high-quality system tailored to the actual needs of our warfighters" is an equally poor decision. On TOP of those two, the merging of our defense industries into basically three or four companies has eliminated a great deal of competition, thus raising prices even more. F-35 suffers from all three of these diseases, with a health dash of "take this platform and make it work in three dramatically different environments." It's a beautiful goddamned clusterfuck, the likes of which the planet has never known.
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So I went to the R&D and Presidential hangers at the U.S. Air Force Museum and took a lot of pictures that are really big. What would be the best way to upload them since imgur chokes on them every time. To wet your appetite for now. Have a XB-70 
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MrYenko posted:Not to defend the Corporate Megaconglomerates that currently own most of the US military's procurement contracts, but the blame rests equally on the services themselves, and the politicians that make budgeting decisions. Also it should be pointed out that cost-plus contracts, by their very nature, heavily encourage that kind of profiteering. "You get paid Eleven billion dollars, regardless of whether the program ends up costing ten billion or twelve billion" is much less of an incentive to "find costs" vs "You get paid whatever the program 'costs' plus a profit margin." I understand why they are necessary in R&D programs (especially when you are dealing with R&D for an abortion of a program like the JSF, with expecting it to literally do everything for everyone) because without them no sane company would ever undertake anything close to cutting edge R&D, but there is no excuse for it in programs (like the JSF) that have progressed beyond R&D and are well into procurement. And the blame for that rests squarely on the government; it all comes back together because a large part of the justification for continuing cost-plus contracts into procurement is because costs continue to grow in the procurement phase...which is due in large part to the points that MrYenko raises. Regardless maintaining a cost-plus contract through LRIP-5 was loving criminal and if this was a just world the individuals who signed that contract for the govt would be rotting away in the same cell that Darleen Druyun got to spend some time in. Also yeah, the absolute realistic worst case scenario for the JSF with the US is someone within NAVAIR grows a set of balls and curtails (but doesn't cancel) their buy in favor of some more Super Hornets and accelerating UCLASS. The USMC and USAF buys will go ahead as planned. Although I'm going to laugh my rear end off when Boeing wins the ROKAF FX-III contract, since up until about a year ago that was all but a completely lock for LM.
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Here's a picture of the YC-14 I took at PIMA in 2008
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Gunbus posted:So I went to the R&D and Presidential hangers at the U.S. Air Force Museum and took a lot of pictures that are really big. What would be the best way to upload them since imgur chokes on them every time. Appetite wetted.
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I always think the YC-14 looks small, like it's the size of a business jet, because the large size of the engine nacelles relative to the fuselage, but it's powered by CF6's and has an all-up weight similar to the 757.
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Gunbus posted:So I went to the R&D and Presidential hangers at the U.S. Air Force Museum and took a lot of pictures that are really big. What would be the best way to upload them since imgur chokes on them every time. You'd be better off resizing them before hand. Use something like Lightroom or picasa and you should be able to bulk export everything to a folder with a new resolution.
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Magugu posted:One of my Favorite aircraft Is the F-82 Twin Mustang. Take one of the most epic aircraft in history and double it. There is one on static display at Lackland AFB in San Antonio (along with an sr-71).  Redundant Warplanes      
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^loving heartbreaking. Mr. Despair posted:You'd be better off resizing them before hand. Use something like Lightroom or picasa and you should be able to bulk export everything to a folder with a new resolution. Outlook will do it as well, if you can live with a handful of preset options. Right-click, send to/mail recipient. What's the deal with that blue F-16?
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Godholio posted:What's the deal with that blue F-16? AFTI.
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0toShifty posted:Here's a picture of the YC-14 I took at PIMA in 2008 That is an adorable plane 
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Okay here is the album thanks for the help. If you want high res versions let me know. I also took pictures of the WWII exhibit while I was waiting for the R&D tour to start. http://imgur.com/a/s3nsZ Oh and if anybody wants a picture of a particular aircraft in the museum let me know I go all the time and will try to get some pictures of what ever you want.
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Jonny Nox posted:For the Maddog fans out there, one of the best cockpit videos I have come across. He was sure wigging out on that stick around 5:40-ish. I assume that's normal?
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slidebite posted:He was sure wigging out on that stick around 5:40-ish. I assume that's normal? Stirring the stick on short final into tropical islands is normal. I want the next minute of video. The guys get to the end of the runway and get a "please expedite turnaround, following traffic on four-mile final." Since those chuckleheads went from five-mile to down in about 95 seconds, they've got about 35 seconds on that turnaround to back-taxi and clear the runway. Mugging for the camera time, included.
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Godholio posted:Bogdan is the right man for the job. Related to this, there was a interview with him on tv here. http://nieuwsuur.nl/video/497318-leider-jsfproject-bezoekt-nederland.html Starting at 45 seconds in English, where he claims that we will be paying 75m per plane at a fixed price contract. That sounds a lot more optimistic than things have been progressing so far. My question to those who have a better sight on these things (iyaayas, godholio?) do you reckon he is being legit, or is it the usual?
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Well my wife figured she will be sick of visiting her parents around mid-june, and I'm trying to find her a flight home (Bejing "PEK" to Sudbury "YSB"). I sent her there for $800 and change with a direct flight from Toronto (YYZ) to Beijing with reasonable times arriving and departing, but now all the return flights have layovers in Vancouver, and cost $1,100. I've been checking out Travelocity, Flight Network, Expedia, Travelcuts, and they are all around the same price. Any tips or tricks to getting her back for under 1k and without the stop in Vancouver? Also, all fights have to be via MadDogs! (not really)
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Gunbus posted:Okay here is the album thanks for the help. If you want high res versions let me know. I also took pictures of the WWII exhibit while I was waiting for the R&D tour to start. Hey man in the future if you don't want to resize the poo poo you upload to imgur, you can append an "l" to the end of a file name, before the extension and it will create a large thumbnail for you while maintaining the full size image in your albums.
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I was misreading the I in AFTI. Cool. AlexanderCA posted:Related to this, there was a interview with him on tv here. My internet is a bitch and that video will take about an hour to load for some reason, but he's in a much better position to know the answer than we are. When you say "we" you mean the Netherlands, right? Because I don't see how the gently caress the US gets into this aircraft for less than double that. Godholio fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 23, 2013 |
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Blistex posted:Well my wife figured she will be sick of visiting her parents around mid-june, and I'm trying to find her a flight home (Bejing "PEK" to Sudbury "YSB"). I sent her there for $800 and change with a direct flight from Toronto (YYZ) to Beijing with reasonable times arriving and departing, but now all the return flights have layovers in Vancouver, and cost $1,100. You could try the airline websites themselves. Just had a look and all the AC032 direct PEK-YYZ flights are all around $1100+. YVR layover drops it to $908. Then Megabus from YYZ-YSB!
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AlexanderCA posted:Related to this, there was a interview with him on tv here. That is him doing his damndest to save the program in the Netherlands. The outburst notwithstanding, I have no doubt that Bogdan will be more of the same in managing the program office. So far he's had one public outburst, has said he's going to "lean" out the program office (without reducing manning), and has yet to significantly change estimates on price. poo poo, he just provided an estimate to the Dutch parliament the other day that the F-35 was only going to cost 10% more per flying hour to operate than the F-16. There's no way that's the case, but I guess I should take any increase at all over the pie in the sky eleventy kajillion% lower "estimates" that the previous occupants of his chair were feeding us. Godholio posted:My internet is a bitch and that video will take about an hour to load for some reason, but he's in a much better position to know the answer than we are. When you say "we" you mean the Netherlands, right? Because I don't see how the gently caress the US gets into this aircraft for less than double that. Like I said... The program's foreign sales program has basically been completely staked on figuring out as low a number as possible that will seem really affordable but not seem too unrealistic, and then defending that number until they have to raise it slightly in the face of facts that they can't manage to spin their way out of, then defending the slightly higher number until they have to raise it slightly again...all the while, the number that is being reflected in the iron that the US is actually acquiring is nowhere near the figure they keep quoting for foreign customers. Now, if that's due to having the US taxpayer straight out subsidize those jets, fine, but seeing as how no one in the US govt has openly acknowledged that either one of two things is happening: LockMart and the program office are loving liars, or the US taxpayer is subsidizing the purchase of fighter jets for multiple allies without being told they are doing as such (not that it would be the first time the latter has happened.) FWIW in this Reuters article from last week Bogdan quotes a price of $85M for the Dutch buy.
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iyaayas01 posted:Now, if that's due to having the US taxpayer straight out subsidize those jets, fine, but seeing as how no one in the US govt has openly acknowledged that either one of two things is happening: LockMart and the program office are loving liars, or the US taxpayer is subsidizing the purchase of fighter jets for multiple allies without being told they are doing as such (not that it would be the first time the latter has happened.) How is there any question the US is subsidizing it?  Congress would probably approve it openly if it came up, just for jobs.
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Thanks guys, that's both good to hear because my instinct was right and bad to hear because we are still being hosed. Unless of course if they are truly subsidizing our purchase, in which case more power to them and sucks to be the you (the american taxpayer). But that's the first time I hear of that possibility so unfortunately (for us) that seems unlikely. Yeah he mentioned 75m at current value, 85m at point of purchase due to inflation. I left it out because it's just another drat variable in this whole opaque mess.
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AlexanderCA posted:Yeah he mentioned 75m at current value, 85m at point of purchase due to inflation. I left it out because it's just another drat variable in this whole opaque mess. That's how government accounting works though.
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Linedance posted:You could try the airline websites themselves. Just had a look and all the AC032 direct PEK-YYZ flights are all around $1100+. YVR layover drops it to $908. Then Megabus from YYZ-YSB! Just checked with Air Canada again and the flight is now $150 more than it was yesterday. Same with all the usual suspects (travelocity, expedia, flightnetwork, travelcuts, etc.) Thanks anyways.
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Blistex posted:Just checked with Air Canada again and the flight is now $150 more than it was yesterday. Same with all the usual suspects (travelocity, expedia, flightnetwork, travelcuts, etc.) Summer is an extremely popular time for long haul overseas. Should have bout that poo poo in advance, RT.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Summer is an extremely popular time for long haul overseas. Should have bout that poo poo in advance, RT. https://www.google.com/flights/ Check it out, I've gotten some drat cheap airline tickets thought this.
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