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Do people actually use m43 cameras to shoot video commercially? Like, use a Panasonic G5 to shoot TV, etc? I am not talking weddings.
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Apr 20, 2013 12:09
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Yes. Certain cameras are actually really well respected in video circles.
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Apr 20, 2013 12:11
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whatever7 posted:Do people actually use m43 cameras to shoot video commercially? Like, use a Panasonic G5 to shoot TV, etc? As for the BlackMagic, Canon did the same thing with the EOS M marketing -- tiny little camera body, monster standard lens bolted onto the front. The strength of the BM, I think, is to put a tiny prime designed for 16mm, stick the whole thing on a gorillapod or something, and get into tight spaces with it. And get professional video files rather than trashy AVCHD as your result. Setting up a rig with one makes no sense to me.
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Apr 20, 2013 17:34
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I think I'm going to pass on the new Sigmas for the SEL35F18, which I can get for around $350. Am I making the right choice? 
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Apr 20, 2013 17:57
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Well that was fast: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/first-pictures-of-the-cheap-chinese-speed-booster-alternative-to-ship-from-may-already/ What I like most aside from the light gathering improvement is the fact that the adapter is shorter than a normal adapter. Hopefully this comes out in a variety of lens mounts soon. This is what Metabones should have done in the first place is put out an adapter with no AF or aperture controls. Keep it simple and affordable. I really don't want to adapt EF lenses to my NEX anyway because EF lenses are so big and heavy compared to manual focus glass. I think this is a case where Metabones' relationship with Conurus kind of burned them because they were probably obligated to put Conurus' technology in the new adapter.
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Apr 20, 2013 18:00
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HPL posted:Well that was fast: Metabones hosed it up even worse by drastically limiting the lenses they supported. Pros aren't going to buy an adapter that doesn't provide good autofocus, consumers aren't going to buy something that doesn't support their nifty fifty or 35/2. It doesn't even make sense for a hobbyist who wants to adapt old manual glass since you have to tape off the connectors or something to keep the thing from shorting. In that sense this knockoff is going to actually be better than the original. Hey China, now make one that goes from 6x7 -> APS-C for like a 4-stop gain, charge ten times as much and call it the TURBO SPEED XTREEM. I take engineering samples or checks as payment Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Apr 20, 2013 18:17
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Ho drat, I want one (but for X mount)
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Apr 20, 2013 18:47
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glassyalabolas posted:I think I'm going to pass on the new Sigmas for the SEL35F18, which I can get for around $350. Am I making the right choice? Its your money. Just so you know Pentax used to sell a full frame 35mm 2.0 for $200; Nikon's new 35mm 1.8 DX is also 200 ish.
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Apr 20, 2013 19:10
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whatever7 posted:Its your money. Just so you know Pentax used to sell a full frame 35mm 2.0 for $200; Nikon's new 35mm 1.8 DX is also 200 ish. Neither of those lenses have image stabilization built in, if he just wanted a fast prime the Sigma would do fine. f/2.8 isn't horrifically slow and the lens is optically pretty good. $350 is a hell of a lot cheaper than its new competitor from Canon, the $850 35/2.
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Apr 20, 2013 19:19
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Do they sell adapters that let you control aperture on Nikon's G lenses? I'm genuinely curious, I never heard of anything like that.
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Apr 20, 2013 19:20
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Sugoi Pilot-san posted:Do they sell adapters that let you control aperture on Nikon's G lenses? I'm genuinely curious, I never heard of anything like that. Its just an extra ring to manually control the aperture (stepless), G adapters are all over ebay. HPL posted:Well that was fast: A Chinese guy is also making a NEX-EF adapter with working aperture and AF (slow AF), alot of people on xitek are beta testing for him. http://forum.xitek.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1136266 I would like to get a 70-200/4 if I can get a NEX-EF for cheap. For dual system owners, Fuji+Nikon is still the best mirrorless/FF combo but D700 is alittle too rich for my blood. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Apr 20, 2013 20:17
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I think the Speed Booster is initially and will remain most popular with videographers. People who own stuff like the Sony VG-30 but want to use EOS lenses with approximately the same field of view as on their 5D.
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Apr 20, 2013 20:29
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moonduck posted:I think the Speed Booster is initially and will remain most popular with videographers. People who own stuff like the Sony VG-30 but want to use EOS lenses with approximately the same field of view as on their 5D. Probably, I'd think videography would be the place where anemic autofocus performance would hurt the least.
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Apr 20, 2013 20:32
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whatever7 posted:Its just an extra ring to manually control the aperture (stepless), G adapters are all over ebay. Ah, okay; I was thinking something like the Conurus that has electronic control. Since it doesn't (some kind of stepless, short ring) then I'd avoid it. But that's just me, I like to know my aperture 
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Apr 21, 2013 07:53
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God drat, the more I read about this new Ricoh GR, the more excited I get about it. The size, controls, and menu system look perfect, and if I HAD to be limited to a focal length, I'd choose 28 mm. You can also set it to crop automatically to 35 mm and only show a 35 mm view on the screen. I can't wait to see real world sample photos; if this camera turns out to be the real deal I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it.
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Apr 21, 2013 17:46
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Costello Jello posted:God drat, the more I read about this new Ricoh GR, the more excited I get about it. The size, controls, and menu system look perfect, and if I HAD to be limited to a focal length, I'd choose 28 mm. You can also set it to crop automatically to 35 mm and only show a 35 mm view on the screen. I can't wait to see real world sample photos; if this camera turns out to be the real deal I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it. There is a 35mm chop mode, you can use it as a pocketable x100. You know this camera let me preview with a smartphone it would be perfect.
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Apr 21, 2013 18:43
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whatever7 posted:You know this camera let me preview with a smartphone it would be perfect. Probably doable with a wifi SD card.
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Apr 21, 2013 19:11
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Shmoogy posted:Probably doable with a wifi SD card. I don't know exactly what you mean by "preview with a smartphone", but supposedly the GR is built with the eye-fi sd cards in mind, and there are easy menu options to resize pics on camera and then push to smartphones and tablets.
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Apr 21, 2013 20:38
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Shmoogy posted:Probably doable with a wifi SD card. I have an eye-fi, it's very slow. It doesn't really help framing with difficult shooting angle.
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Apr 21, 2013 22:20
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Anyone here experienced the GH3? I'm thinking about getting one to compliment my D800 for video and also serve as my walking around stills camera. Haven't seen any locally so I'm having trouble getting my head around its size in comparison to full size SLR's and smaller CSC's like the OM-D. My local camera shop had an NEX-6 and OM-D, both of which I liked quite a lot, the Sony way more than I expected, but neither is going to cut it for video work.
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Apr 22, 2013 05:01
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powderific posted:Anyone here experienced the GH3? I'm thinking about getting one to compliment my D800 for video and also serve as my walking around stills camera. Haven't seen any locally so I'm having trouble getting my head around its size in comparison to full size SLR's and smaller CSC's like the OM-D. My local camera shop had an NEX-6 and OM-D, both of which I liked quite a lot, the Sony way more than I expected, but neither is going to cut it for video work.  http://www.ephotozine.com/article/panasonic-lumix-gh3-vs-olympus-om-d-e-m5-comparison-20412 I tried one and it very much felt like a Rebel that had lost 30% in all directions. The GF3 feels like a point and shoot. It's very much a case of whether you want a small DSLR-feel or a larger P&S-feel
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Apr 22, 2013 09:34
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Costello Jello posted:God drat, the more I read about this new Ricoh GR, the more excited I get about it. The size, controls, and menu system look perfect, and if I HAD to be limited to a focal length, I'd choose 28 mm. You can also set it to crop automatically to 35 mm and only show a 35 mm view on the screen. I can't wait to see real world sample photos; if this camera turns out to be the real deal I'm pretty sure I'm going to get it. Mookio, a GRD evangelist/blogger/author has been (I assume) given a GR to play with after attending the official announcement last week in Japan. He's been slowly posting some pictures online: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mookio
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Apr 22, 2013 09:43
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dodob posted:Mookio, a GRD evangelist/blogger/author has been (I assume) given a GR to play with after attending the official announcement last week in Japan. He's been slowly posting some pictures online: Thanks for posting this. These photos look amazingly sharp. This guy must be post-processing these to get those vivid colors, because the straight-out-of-camera jpegs on dpreview from the GR look really desaturated and boring. This probably won't be a camera for people who don't want to deal with post-processing, but I almost always do so anyway, so it's not a deal breaker at all for me. Here's some more GR porn:  Now that's small.
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Apr 22, 2013 11:03
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Costello Jello posted:Thanks for posting this. These photos look amazingly sharp. This guy must be post-processing these to get those vivid colors, because the straight-out-of-camera jpegs on dpreview from the GR look really desaturated and boring. This probably won't be a camera for people who don't want to deal with post-processing, but I almost always do so anyway, so it's not a deal breaker at all for me. I don't know what's going on with the DPReview's pictures, but Ricoh's GRD series has always given me a very rich colorful look, even with factory setting JPEGs. Wouldn't surprise me if Mookio makes extensive use of GR's in-camera effects (including saturation and contrast) to suit the mood of his photos. After all, the GR series of cameras is well known for its on-the-fly controls. Also, what is this about "in-camera RAW processing"? To my mind that is just a fancy way of saying in-camera JPEG effects.
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Costello Jello posted:Thanks for posting this. These photos look amazingly sharp. This guy must be post-processing these to get those vivid colors, because the straight-out-of-camera jpegs on dpreview from the GR look really desaturated and boring. This probably won't be a camera for people who don't want to deal with post-processing, but I almost always do so anyway, so it's not a deal breaker at all for me. Based on the other initial samples, I kind of agree with you. If the new jpeg engine is closer to Pentax (K-5ii) then I would be happier. I don't have a problem really. It's still better than the jpeg I got from DP1/1x. edit: drat this Taiwanese guy really put too much makeup on the GR photos set, you have no way to tell what the original Ricoh color palette was. He loving Photoshoped iPhone photo too. I hope he doesn't use the iPhone flash to trigger an external flash. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Apr 22, 2013 |
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Apr 22, 2013 13:53
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spog posted:I tried one and it very much felt like a Rebel that had lost 30% in all directions. Oof, that's bigger than I was hoping. I'd rather have a large P&S feel but can't really sacrifice the video quality.
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dodob posted:Also, what is this about "in-camera RAW processing"? To my mind that is just a fancy way of saying in-camera JPEG effects. I think you can actually make changes to the RAW files themselves, not just the jpegs, because the Riooh GR outputs its RAW in Adobe DNG files. And that's probably a useful feature to have since the camera doesn't have a low-pass optical filter, so there's a setting to try to digitally correct moire with in-camera processing if you want to. I've never used a camera without a low-pass anti-aliasing optical filter before, so I'll be curious to see how much moire there actually is in real-world shots, but since I mostly shoot nature, it probably won't ever be a problem for those kinds of scenarios.
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powderific posted:Oof, that's bigger than I was hoping. I'd rather have a large P&S feel but can't really sacrifice the video quality. Blackmagic did just announce this: http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/ It'll give you all the video quality you want, but it'll be useless as a still camera.
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Apr 23, 2013 00:53
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Yeah, I'm aware of the Pocket Cinema Camera and it looks pretty cool. Even if I do go for a GH3 it might wind up in my camera lineup at some point (or maybe especially if I get a GH3 since I'd have the MFT lens stuff to go with it.)
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Apr 23, 2013 01:57
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Quick advice: I can get a new X100 for AUS$750 or a secondhand X100 with a case for $600. The secondhand one has not suffered from sticky aperture which I would have prefered as at least then I know it's had the problem and been fixed. Or I could get the X100S for $1,080 or just wait for the Ricoh GRD which looks amazing and really small and light. But, well waiting...
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Apr 23, 2013 06:06
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Check out the serial on the used one - I did quite a bit of research before buying mine used and it seems that anything starting with 21 and up is good to go. X100 vs. 100S is purely a usability upgrade; take that for what it is worth to you. I liked the look of the 100 over the 100S enough to deal with its focus quirks.
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Apr 23, 2013 06:21
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aversion posted:Quick advice: Do you plan on shooting stuff close (ie, within a meter) to you and/or in the dark? If so, this x100 owner would strongly push you towards the x100s. Otherwise, x100 for sure. Also, I don't really get the appeal of the GRD. It's like an x100s but slower and with far worse controls. I guess 'snap to focus' sounds kind of cool, though.
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joelcamefalling posted:Also, I don't really get the appeal of the GRD. It's like an x100s but slower and with far worse controls. I guess 'snap to focus' sounds kind of cool, though.
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joelcamefalling posted:Do you plan on shooting stuff close (ie, within a meter) to you and/or in the dark? If so, this x100 owner would strongly push you towards the x100s. Otherwise, x100 for sure. I've always had an eye on Craigslist for a local GRD II or III solely because I like the B&W files I've seen. I'm thinking the GR looks like fun and I like the size. I'm hoping that the rumored entry level X series body is true and close to it in weight and size. It's a super niche-y, edge-case use but I already carry around two lenses everywhere and the 14 already exceeds the edge of the OVF so parking the 14 on an entry-X and the 35 on the X-Pro makes some sense to me. I like my Retrospective bag for every day carry and it worked great when it was just for the X100 but I hate swapping lenses from it.
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Apr 23, 2013 08:00
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Bob Socko posted:I think it's a combination of size and sensor. I know the x100/x100s is tiny, but this is one notch tinier. It's the size of an RX100 with a bigger sensor and a reasonably wide, reasonably fast lens. It's also a decent amount cheaper than an x100s.
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joelcamefalling posted:Also, I don't really get the appeal of the GRD. It's like an x100s but slower and with far worse controls. I guess 'snap to focus' sounds kind of cool, though. It mostly comes down to personal preference. Some people love the idea of having an OVF, and the retro-style body, and prefer a 35 mm FOV. In that case, of course the x100s is for you. But if you would rather have a truly tiny camera that's almost half the weight of the x100s, and don't mind not having the OVF, then the Ricoh GR is a great choice. I prefer the 28 mm FOV personally, and it being $500 cheaper isn't too shabby either. I'm not sure why you think the GR has "far worse controls" either; the GR's controls seem pretty brilliant to me, especially with the amount of real estate they are working with to place controls. It looks as easy to use as the x100s to me, and superior to the x100. The only negative is the implementation of manual focus on the GR vs the x100s. Here's a youtube video that explains the GR's controls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3lS_Ldx7Fs
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Costello Jello posted:But if you would rather have a truly tiny camera that's almost half the weight of the x100s, and don't mind not having the OVF, then the Ricoh GR is a great choice. I prefer the 28 mm FOV personally, and it being $500 cheaper isn't too shabby either. I'm not sure why you think the GR has "far worse controls" either; the GR's controls seem pretty brilliant to me, especially with the amount of real estate they are working with to place controls. It looks as easy to use as the x100s to me, and superior to the x100. The only negative is the implementation of manual focus on the GR vs the x100s. Half the weight? an x100 is only like 400 grams. That's nothing, and I'd *gladly* swap it for a viewfinder. My main problems with the controls is that there are too many little buttons and not enough dedicated controls. That's the best part about the x100 (and the Contax 645) - a ring for aperture, a dial for shutter speed, a dial for EC. Throw in an ISO dial and its perfect. You can shoot all day without ever needing a menu or looking at a screen. I wish Canon would pick up on some of what Fuji is doing, instead of aping Sony's touchscreen gameboy controls. Fair call on the FOV. I definitely neglected to notice the $$ difference . That's pretty significant. Five hundred bucks can buy many awesome things. Fuji is being a bit obtuse in the pricing dept.
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ThisQuietReverie posted:I've always had an eye on Craigslist for a local GRD II or III solely because I like the B&W files I've seen. I'm thinking the GR looks like fun and I like the size. I'm hoping that the rumored entry level X series body is true and close to it in weight and size. It's a super niche-y, edge-case use but I already carry around two lenses everywhere and the 14 already exceeds the edge of the OVF so parking the 14 on an entry-X and the 35 on the X-Pro makes some sense to me. If and when the fuji announce the smaller NEX-5 competitor, you can cross shop the new Fuji body with the 27mm pancake, or the new Sony 30mm pancake on a cheap NEX body. There is also the Coolpix A (bad edge sharpness) and the Ricoh GR. I am really excited about the GR. I think 28mm is alot more natural to me than 35mm or 40mm. You also worry less about the aperture when you have a wider lens. I also have this ghetto rear end framing thingy I will be using if and when I get the GR.  
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joelcamefalling posted:My main problems with the controls is that there are too many little buttons and not enough dedicated controls. That's the best part about the x100 (and the Contax 645) - a ring for aperture, a dial for shutter speed, a dial for EC. Throw in an ISO dial and its perfect. You can shoot all day without ever needing a menu or looking at a screen. I wish Canon would pick up on some of what Fuji is doing, instead of aping Sony's touchscreen gameboy controls. GR has all of those  The controls aren't as good as the X100, but they pack a lot into not much space, and they're still very logical. As for the size, the GR can fit in anybody's pocket, the X100 can't. That's a big deal.
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