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Going through Jahar's tweets from his very first post on twitter, these are the ones that seem to form a picture of his personality / worldview (or that are just creepy in hindsight): (Oldest to most recent) Jahar posted:"its kind of like we're living in times where good is evil and evil is good" From reading through them all, some possible impressions of Jahar: - He seems to idolize the thug lifestyle - Flips to being reflective/introspective often - Thinks very little of women - Experiences a lot of normal college student stuff - Flips between wanting to be wealthy and that wealth is an illusion / unnecessary - Worked as a lifeguard - Obvious influences from his brother (or someone) about Islam / 9/11 truth - References to missing his homeland / father
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Apr 24, 2013 07:14
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marshmonkey posted:- References to missing his homeland / father Which bugs me because neither he nor his idiot brother were born in or lived in Chechnya.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:21
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Probably the most eerie one considering he read Inspire Magazine and was a pretty awful college student:quote:When I read it's not for fun, no fun in it all #itsfortheknowledge For me it's the fact that he has an okay sense of humor that bugs me out the most. I guess I've always thought of terrorists and murderers as people, but I've never actually taken the step to laugh with them before. What the gently caress happened, man 
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Apr 24, 2013 07:25
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marshmonkey posted:Going through Jahar's tweets from his very first post on twitter, these are the ones that seem to form a picture of his personality / worldview (or that are just creepy in hindsight): Other than the stuff about Islam/missing his homeland, sounds like an awful lot of normal college students, really. And even the Islam stuff is really pretty mild, and not very common. There are a few that maybe look "creepy" if viewed with 20/20 hindsight, but I think that would be true of a lot of people C2C - 2.0 posted:Which bugs me because neither he nor his idiot brother were born in or lived in Chechnya. And a lot of Irish-Americans go nuts about Ireland even though they've never even visited.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:34
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Which bugs me because neither he nor his idiot brother were born in or lived in Chechnya. That probably made it easier for him to idolize it, no personal experience to tell him that it's just like any other place.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:34
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marshmonkey posted:Going through Jahar's tweets from his very first post on twitter, these are the ones that seem to form a picture of his personality / worldview (or that are just creepy in hindsight): My impression: "The danger with the egomaniac is always that 'underneath the apparent over-confidence and bravado lies a fragile personality', driven by 'grandiose fantasies of boundless success or power or perfect love' which cannot be fulfilled." It's wikipedia armchair diagnosis but it fits the type very well, especially in the whole boxing thing.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:37
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C2C - 2.0 posted:Which bugs me because neither he nor his idiot brother were born in or lived in Chechnya. The romantic allure of the 'homeland' is incredibly common among people who've never been there but want to think that they are special. Just look at the cunts who blithely funded the IRA's 30 years of marathon bombings and police/postal worker assassinations based on nothing more than a nebulous idea that they were 'Irish' despite living all their lives in Boston or New York and not having the first clue about life in the 'old country'. These two cretins were probably raised on stories about how great their parent's lives were before coming to America and how everything was better back 'home'. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Apr 24, 2013 |
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Apr 24, 2013 07:38
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ChubbyEmoBabe posted:It's wikipedia armchair diagnosis but it fits the type very well, especially in the whole boxing thing. Tamerlan was the boxer. Jahar was the party kid.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:38
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Jahar just sounds like an average douchebag college student to me.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:39
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:The romantic allure of the 'homeland' is incredibly common among people who've never been there but want to think that they are special. Just look at the cunts who blithely funded the IRA's 30 years of marathon bombings and police/postal worker assassinations based on nothing more than a nebulous idea that they were 'Irish' despite living all their lives in Boston or New York and not having the first clue about life in the 'old country'.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:40
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:The romantic allure of the 'homeland' is incredibly common among people who've never been there but want to think that they are special. Just look at the cunts who blithely funded the IRA's 30 years of marathon bombings and police/postal worker assassinations based on nothing more than a nebulous idea that they were 'Irish' despite living all their lives in Boston or New York and not having the first clue about life in the 'old country'. I'm all too aware of appeals to emotion via some nebulous connection to a "homeland". I'm sure in the brothers' case, it was a bit easier to latch onto something like that since they were immigrants. It's just a pet peeve of mine. A co-worker used to regale me & others with tons of callbacks to Italy, a country he'd never visited, nor had his parents. Finally one day I snapped and said, "Shut the gently caress up! You're from Chickasaw, Mississippi!" I felt bad some time later, but I think it's the fact that folks like this seem to be trying so hard to identify with a culture instead of being happy with whatever one they've grown up in.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:42
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quote:"The value of human life ain't poo poo nowadays that's #tragic"
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Apr 24, 2013 07:43
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If he thinks that 9/11 was part of a conspiracy to manipulate public opinion of Muslims, I can't imagine why the gently caress he'd think bombing a marathon would in any way ameliorate that.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:46
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Samurai Sanders posted:When they go there it probably spoils the illusion, since they find out it's just another place where people live and work, same as home. I don't think it helps much that, at least in Ireland, they're often viewed with contempt for A) claiming some sort of Disneyfied kinship, and B) having offensive opinions on subjects they really have no grasp of at all and certainly never had to live with the consequences of.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:48
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:I don't think it helps much that, at least in Ireland, they're often viewed with contempt for A) claiming some sort of Disneyfied kinship, and B) having offensive opinions on subjects they really have no grasp of at all and certainly never had to live with the consequences of. The phrase I heard for that is Returned American, which is weeabooing over a heritage that's supposed to be yours but of which you are not really part. It's a useful phrase.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:49
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DongsMcMurphy posted:If he thinks that 9/11 was part of a conspiracy to manipulate public opinion of Muslims, I can't imagine why the gently caress he'd think bombing a marathon would in any way ameliorate that. More proof he didn't do it 
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Apr 24, 2013 07:50
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I'm kind of worried that Jeff Bauman is being rushed into things. While the cases are entirely different, my boyfriend is paraplegic, and he was so determined not to have those introspective, solitary moments during his recovery that might have allowed him to feel depressed and instead immediately tried to keep trucking, and it has actually led to some emotional issues regarding his disability that sometimes create tension. What I'm saying is that I just hope that, in between being loving awesome and a badass, Bauman's receiving good psychological care right now and is being encouraged to realize that his life is going to be very different now. But if Boston's mental health care is as good as their trauma unit, I'm sure they're taking care of him. It's a just a worry on my part. He's clearly in good hands. And is a loving boss who apparently regained consciousness to immediately rain down some hell on his assailants in the form of a perfect description.  EDIT: Which also makes me wonder if there was something about the situation that set off an alarm bell, maybe even subconsciously, for Jeff for him to have retained such a detailed memory of the guy's face. It's easy to say something was off about him in hindsight, but the fact that his description led to FBI confirmation and an accurate sketch, I wonder if there was something strange he, even if accidentally, picked up on. Taliaquin fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Apr 24, 2013 |
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Apr 24, 2013 07:51
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Tamerlan was the boxer. Jahar was the party kid. drat, I'm dumb tonight.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:55
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DongsMcMurphy posted:If he thinks that 9/11 was part of a conspiracy to manipulate public opinion of Muslims, I can't imagine why the gently caress he'd think bombing a marathon would in any way ameliorate that. It's on the same level of the people who deny the holocaust but salute the Nazis for showing the Jews. Delusions, or public denial of what they privately accept.
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Apr 24, 2013 07:56
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He is obviously a huge hypocrite, which is one of the things that makes him seem like a pretty normal college kid. Hard to imagine him ending up in a gun battle with police, while he pays lip service to a lot of gangster crap, I don't think there is much evidence of him actually being violent or using guns up until the shoot out.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:02
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Taliaquin posted:Which also makes me wonder if there was something about the situation that set off an alarm bell, maybe even subconsciously, for Jeff for him to have retained such a detailed memory of the guy's face. It's easy to say something was off about him in hindsight, but the fact that his description led to FBI confirmation and an accurate sketch, I wonder if there was something strange he, even if accidentally, picked up on. It's possible that the event and related trauma/shock/massive adrenaline rush maybe have forced the part of the brain that controls memories into performing at superhuman levels. Maybe not. Maybe he saw something incredibly off-putting about the whole situation before the detonation that may have stuck with him throughout the whole ordeal and all he had to do was put two and two together. It's hard to tell, even for him.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:06
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marshmonkey posted:Hard to imagine him ending up in a gun battle with police, while he pays lip service to a lot of gangster crap, I don't think there is much evidence of him actually being violent or using guns up until the shoot out. Yeah--I think people understand Tamerlan more--guy with a gigantic ego, anger issues, growing obsession with radical Islam--it's a bit easier to connect the dots, although maybe people are relying on a stereotype to fill in significant gaps. Jahar's the tough one. I know there's the "he was just following his brother" theory, but the bombing would have required a noticeable amount of planning and preparation, and while I can see someone following their brother to, say, go shoplifting, bombing the Boston Marathon seems like a pretty big step just to follow big brother.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:07
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Scyantific posted:It's possible that the event and related trauma/shock/massive adrenaline rush maybe have forced the part of the brain that controls memories into performing at superhuman levels. Maybe not. Maybe he saw something incredibly off-putting about the whole situation before the detonation that may have stuck with him throughout the whole ordeal and all he had to do was put two and two together. Generally speaking, if a stranger winks at you for no reason, it sticks in your mind. At least it does for me.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:11
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None of that reads like someone that would go out and bomb innocent people, though. Possibly try and go join some freedom fighter group somewhere, sure, but murdering civilians who he might've chilled with under other circumstances? He must've really kept that radicalization on lockdown, because it's certainly not in his public social networking profile or in the remembrances of the people that knew him.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:15
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That'd be really loving awesome if MIT made some prosthetic legs for Bauman. I remember a few years back they made a working ankle/foot prosthetic and sucessfully tested it.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:21
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Earwicker posted:People were doing that same witch hunt poo poo here, it just got shut down earlier than it did on reddit. The problem with reddit is the exact same one behind the jailbait poo poo - they refuse to moderate their user content and then once they get to a point where they actually need to, they're unable to do so effectively. Dude bro freedom of speech. Where do we draw the line? First Obumass is taking my guns away, then my child porn from reddit, and now I can't even be a loving internet detective? Ugh gently caress this earth.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:44
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The Onion has a funny take on the whole Dzhokhar was brainwashed by his brother angle. http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-guess-when-my-older-brother-said-lets-bomb-the-b,32176/?ref=auto
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Apr 24, 2013 08:45
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Peter North posted:The Onion has a funny take on the whole Dzhokhar was brainwashed by his brother angle. Another one of those Onion articles that are more depressing than funny, but yeah.
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Apr 24, 2013 08:50
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Peter North posted:The Onion has a funny take on the whole Dzhokhar was brainwashed by his brother angle. Yeah, that's actually really depressing. 
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Apr 24, 2013 09:01
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I'm surprised it's 2013 and mother fuckers still don't know about The Onion.
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Apr 24, 2013 09:28
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Rapey Joe Stalin posted:Generally speaking, if a stranger winks at you for no reason, it sticks in your mind. Nobody winked.
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Apr 24, 2013 09:33
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Jahar posted:"sons of anarchy that's that good good" Obviously a monster. 
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Apr 24, 2013 10:34
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The most disturbing thing about this whole thing is that Bush may have been right about the whole "axis of evil" thing. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 24, 2013 11:02
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Kingsbury2 posted:The most disturbing thing about this whole thing is that Bush may have been right about the whole "axis of evil" thing. The most disturbing thing about your post is you may have registered just to post this terrible comment. What do you mean by this anyway? I don't recall either Chechnya or Russia being on the "Axis of Evil" list.
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Apr 24, 2013 11:06
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NewtGoongrich posted:The most disturbing thing about your post is you may have registered just to post this terrible comment. What do you mean by this anyway? I don't recall either Chechnya or Russia being on the "Axis of Evil" list. Or that we've ever been attacked by the axis of evil (iran, iraq, north korea).
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Apr 24, 2013 11:09
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Taliaquin posted:I'm kind of worried that Jeff Bauman is being rushed into things. While the cases are entirely different, my boyfriend is paraplegic, and he was so determined not to have those introspective, solitary moments during his recovery that might have allowed him to feel depressed and instead immediately tried to keep trucking, and it has actually led to some emotional issues regarding his disability that sometimes create tension.
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Apr 24, 2013 11:16
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Ninja fetus posted:Yeah, me too. This will have a HUGE impact on his life. Most likely he's trying to stay away from his inner turmoil for a while and I don't blame him.
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Apr 24, 2013 11:50
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NewtGoongrich posted:The most disturbing thing about your post is you may have registered just to post this terrible comment.
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Apr 24, 2013 11:53
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Kingsbury2 posted:The most disturbing thing about this whole thing is that Bush may have been right about the whole "axis of evil" thing. Please, tell me how this event that had nothing at all to do with Iraq, Iran or North Korea does that.
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Apr 24, 2013 12:23
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hailthefish posted:Yes, it's loaded. The rifle was set there by an officer getting into a different patrol car, then a different officer got in THAT patrol car and drove downtown and went into a Starbucks. I guess she then got back in the car and drove off, and various passers-by, including the guy who took the picture, tried to wave down the driver and a couple nearby bike cops to tell them about it. Starbucks? Bike cops? The only way that the story could be any more 90s Seattle is if the cop's uniform was a plaid shirt and ripped jeans and she popped a Sub-Pop sampler into the tape deck.
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