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cafel posted:Is that assuming he's found guilty? That's a fairly reasonable to talk about. Is there something to that I'm missing. Yeah, the poll the blog post was advertising has that as a stipulation. It was more of just a comment about The Blaze pandering so drat hard all the time.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Hannity today calling Obama stupid and personally responsible because the FBI did not follow up on investigating the older bombing brother enough. Also using poo poo Michelle Bachman said as proof that the FBI has been weakened by Obama as though she's an authority on anything but batshit crazy. And yesterday he was talking about how reprehensible it is that "Obama and the democrats are playing politics with the Boston bombing". 
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Apr 25, 2013 20:20
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boom boom boom posted:Obama let those people die because he hates America. Seriously, That's it. If you don't assume that Obama wants Americans to die, then there's nothing there. I figured the idea was that Obama hosed up something or other that they really can't articulate (something about mortars and an odd time frame) and then he's trying to cover it up by not calling it terrorism. If the GOP can just prove this the next step is impeachment since there's really nothing else they can get Obama on. Even that doesn't really make any sense and the entire thing sounds like all they have as an argument is yelling BENGHAZI! and then assuming that's enough.
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Apr 25, 2013 20:24
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The Daily Show had a good break down last night of Fox's blather about taking away as many Constitutional rights from the Boston Bomber as possible, including Miranda Rights, the right not to self-incriminate, that he should be subject to cruel and unusual punishment (because Hannity "doesn't believe" http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-24-2013/weak-constitution (And since I couldn't give up my free healthcare and move to America, the Canadian link can be found here: http://www.thecomedynetwork.ca/Shows/TheDailyShow?videoPackage=133701 )
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Apr 25, 2013 20:25
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Anyone that wants to claim that waterboarding isn't torture should have to man up and have it done to them or be called out as the hypocritical cowards they are. Say what you will about Christopher Hitchens and Mancow but both of those guys at least manned up and then immediately recanted afterwards when they couldn't last 10 seconds.
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Apr 25, 2013 20:28
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Radish posted:Anyone that wants to claim that waterboarding isn't torture should have to man up and have it done to them or be called out as the hypocritical cowards they are. Say what you will about Christopher Hitchens and Mancow but both of those guys at least manned up and then immediately recanted afterwards when they couldn't last 10 seconds.
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Apr 25, 2013 21:00
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I think my favorite thing about Hannity is when he switches into 'list scary sounding things mode'. There's no subtlety to it at all and it's pretty hilarious. It's like some kind of video game-style rage meter builds up in his head and when it maxes out he suddenly drops every power move at once. Just this random stream of 'fort hood, bill ayers, Benghazi, obamacare, fast and furious, jeremiah wright, socialism'. No explanation or attempt to tie them together. Just a huge mass of right wing trigger words. He's pretty much the only right wing hack I really can't stand in anything but the tiniest dose, though. He does that thing where he raises the tone of his voice slightly at the end of each sentence like he's asking a question and it sounds so smug that the urge to smash my car stereo is too large to ignore.
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Apr 25, 2013 21:13
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FlamingLiberal posted:At least they had the balls to experience it, Hannity chickened out after championing that stuff for years. Every now and then I wonder if I'm going to wake up one morning and Hannity is being waterboarded live on Fox & Friends, and the crawler on the bottom of the screen has breaking news that Rush Limbaugh was spotted at the airport buying a one-way ticket to Costa Rica because Obamacare passed.
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Apr 25, 2013 21:42
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kitten smoothie posted:Every now and then I wonder if I'm going to wake up one morning and Hannity is being waterboarded live on Fox & Friends, and the crawler on the bottom of the screen has breaking news that Rush Limbaugh was spotted at the airport buying a one-way ticket to Costa Rica because Obamacare passed. Funny you should mention that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Costa_Rica (Although I suppose that  was intended)
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GoneWithTheTornado posted:Funny you should mention that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Costa_Rica (Although I suppose that When the Obamacare debate was going on Limbaugh was saying that he'd move to Costa Rica if it passed. Although I guess I forgot that he qualified it with "five years from now when it's fully implemented," so he's still got two years to get out.
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Apr 26, 2013 02:44
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kitten smoothie posted:When the Obamacare debate was going on Limbaugh was saying that he'd move to Costa Rica if it passed. Although I guess I forgot that he qualified it with "five years from now when it's fully implemented," so he's still got two years to get out. D&D mass call-in 2015? 
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Apr 26, 2013 03:10
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kitten smoothie posted:When the Obamacare debate was going on Limbaugh was saying that he'd move to Costa Rica if it passed. Although I guess I forgot that he qualified it with "five years from now when it's fully implemented," so he's still got two years to get out. This just makes me think that costa rica must have a thriving human trafficking market for rush to enjoy.
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Warchicken posted:This just makes me think that costa rica must have a thriving human trafficking market for rush to enjoy. Well he took Viagra he didn't have a prescription for last time he went.
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Apr 26, 2013 03:59
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Fox News, alone of any major news website, is still lending credibility to the Homeland Security ammo rumors on their website's front page. The alarmist tone on the headline doesn't really mix with the reasonable explanations inside the article. quote:'INEXPLICABLE': Reps Challenge I guess Fox News is somewhat justified in reporting the new development of several congressmen getting involved, but this alarmist conspiracy poo poo was dealt with months ago. http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/apr/30/chain-email/chain-email-says-homeland-security-purchasing-many/
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Apr 26, 2013 06:54
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Breitbart has taken serious issues with the labeling of Right Wing terrorists as Right Wing terrorists. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/04/25/mother-jones-right-wing quote:Christopher and Wade Lay (1): In May 2004, Christopher and Wade Lay shot and murdered a security guard during a bank robbery. The son-and-father criminal team said they wanted to steal the money to buy arms to fight the government thanks to federal action at Waco in 1993 and Ruby Ridge in 1992. This is conspiratorial nonsense, not right-wing extremism. It is also murder, not terrorism, in the technical definition – it was not violence aimed at civilians to achieve a political purpose. Just to provide an example of the bat shittery. His  over assassination versus terrorism is hilarious.
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Apr 26, 2013 15:39
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Haha left wing Comu-nazis. "Nothing bad is right wing" is a pretty nice trump card. It would be funny if in 20 years after constant messaging the "middle" will be that we can't say for sure if Nazis were left or right wing since both views have to be politely respected.
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Apr 26, 2013 15:47
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Radish posted:Haha left wing Comu-nazis. "Nothing bad is right wing" is a pretty nice trump card. It would be funny if in 20 years after constant messaging the "middle" will be that we can't say for sure if Nazis were left or right wing since both views have to be politely respected. They were left wing economically (a socialist workers party) and right wing on social issues. This is pretty standard. Left wing economics go hand in hand with right wing social issues. Left wing social issues go hand in hand with libertarian economic issues. You can't be a populist without also being a bigot, and you can't be progressive on social issues without also endorsing plutocracy.
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Apr 26, 2013 16:18
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SilentD posted:They were left wing economically (a socialist workers party) and right wing on social issues. This is pretty standard. Left wing economics go hand in hand with right wing social issues. Left wing social issues go hand in hand with libertarian economic issues. You can't be a populist without also being a bigot, and you can't be progressive on social issues without also endorsing plutocracy. The gently caress you say? Nazi's were in no way left wing and only adopted the socialist bit in their name for propaganda reasons. I mean when Henry "get hosed unions" Ford was singing to high heaven about the wonders of Nazi economic policies you really have to wonder about just how left wing their economic views were. About the only thing they could be accused of being left on was that it was of the utmost importance that every German had the highest standard of living possible, but their stated way to achieve that required the exploitation of every other race on the planet so yeah, not quite left there either.
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A Winner is Jew posted:The gently caress you say? Ford loved Hitler because Hitler broke the unions in Germany and basically made workers into serfs for their respective companies. Yeah, everyone was given a job, but the gently caress if you could quit or protest for higher wages/better working conditions.
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Apr 26, 2013 16:48
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SilentD posted:They were left wing economically (a socialist workers party) and right wing on social issues. This is pretty standard. Left wing economics go hand in hand with right wing social issues. Left wing social issues go hand in hand with libertarian economic issues. You can't be a populist without also being a bigot, and you can't be progressive on social issues without also endorsing plutocracy. Emmm...no. The Nazis were, at best, capitalists who kept the free market pragmatically at bay to the benefit of their home industries. Even their war production came from private companies, not government design bureaus like the Soviets. In fact, their procurement systems were not that different from what the US did at the time. There's a reason the rest of the capitalist world was dazzled at Germany during the 1936 Olympics, and that was because the unions had been beaten into submission, the trains ran on time and the country seemed very much unfazed by the revolutionary tendencies that were popping up everywhere else. The early reports of ethnic discrimination and other unpleasantness was readily swept unde rthe rug as the grumbling of lefty malcontents.
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SilentD posted:They were left wing economically (a socialist workers party) and right wing on social issues. This is pretty standard. Left wing economics go hand in hand with right wing social issues. Left wing social issues go hand in hand with libertarian economic issues. You can't be a populist without also being a bigot, and you can't be progressive on social issues without also endorsing plutocracy. I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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I thought the Nazis had an economically left wing faction but they were killed off with Hitler's other political enemies in the Night of the Long Knives.
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SilentD posted:They were left wing economically (a socialist workers party) and right wing on social issues. If Pat Buchanan advocated for universal health care only for white Americans, with undocumented workers seeking medical care being jailed/deported on sight, would that make Pat Buchanan an economic leftist? SilentD posted:You can't be a populist without also being a bigot, and you can't be progressive on social issues without also endorsing plutocracy. I don't even know where to begin on this one. How the hell would advocating for marriage equality and secularism directly lead to endorsing plutocracy?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Nazi's were in no way left wing and only adopted the socialist bit in their name for propaganda reasons. Keep in mind, this is all it takes for right-wingers to justify their classification of Nazis as socialists. They stop reading as soon as they see that word and their minds are already made up. What they did and how they did it are irrelevant, as far as they're concerned, because the label is very important here. They call themselves socialsts, therefore they are socialists, and socialists are left-wing, therefore the Nazis are left-wing.
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Leofish posted:Keep in mind, this is all it takes for right-wingers to justify their classification of Nazis as socialists. They stop reading as soon as they see that word and their minds are already made up. What they did and how they did it are irrelevant, as far as they're concerned, because the label is very important here. They call themselves socialsts, therefore they are socialists, and socialists are left-wing, therefore the Nazis are left-wing. That kind of logic reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqbn7oxXh38&t=19s "Bleach is healthy. It's mostly water. And WE are mostly water. Therefore, we are bleach."
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Man, Rush has been spending practically all day ranting about how the NFL is dead because the libs will turn it into a pussy sport because of all these "safety" regulations. it is Friday, but it seems like he is low on material today. Ban Liberalism, not football!  - A thing Rush Limbaugh actually said
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kik2dagroin posted:Man, Rush has been spending practically all day ranting about how the NFL is dead because the libs will turn it into a pussy sport because of all these "safety" regulations. it is Friday, but it seems like he is low on material today. All players who wear helmets are pussies who don't want brain damage. Back in my day when I never played football, I didn't wear a helmet. Look how I turned out!
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kik2dagroin posted:Man, Rush has been spending practically all day ranting about how the NFL is dead because the libs will turn it into a pussy sport because of all these "safety" regulations. it is Friday, but it seems like he is low on material today. He is SO ANGRY that they wouldn't let him buy the Rams.
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Phone posted:All players who wear helmets are pussies who don't want brain damage. Actually football would be a lot safer without helmets. Those things have turned into weapons more than anything else. If they wore minimal padding they wouldn't fly into each other at 15 mph for their own safety as much as the person they're going after.
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greatn posted:Actually football would be a lot safer without helmets. Those things have turned into weapons more than anything else. If they wore minimal padding they wouldn't fly into each other at 15 mph for their own safety as much as the person they're going after. It would be safer if there had never been helmets. If you removed them now there would be a hundred deaths on opening day.
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Phone posted:Back in my day when I never played football, I didn't wear a helmet. Look how I turned out! greatn posted:Actually football would be a lot safer without helmets. Those things have turned into weapons more than anything else. If they wore minimal padding they wouldn't fly into each other at 15 mph for their own safety as much as the person they're going after.
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Apr 26, 2013 19:21
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JoshTheStampede posted:It would be safer if there had never been helmets. If you removed them now there would be a hundred deaths on opening day. Oh for sure. You'd have to generationally start over at pee wee football. It would basically be a completely new sport on the Rugby/Australian Rules/Football spectrum
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Radish posted:I thought the Nazis had an economically left wing faction but they were killed off with Hitler's other political enemies in the Night of the Long Knives. The SA was full of real socialists. And also was very lenient on homosexuality. Two things Hitler was having none of, so he started murdering them.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:The SA was full of real socialists. And also was very lenient on homosexuality. Two things Hitler was having none of, so he started murdering them. To clarify: Hitler didn't mind using homosexuals and socialists to aid his ascent to power, but he killed them off as soon as he got the Chancellorship.
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Apr 26, 2013 19:43
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Cabaret is an excellent musical related to this subject. I suggest trying to find a live showing.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:The SA was full of real socialists. And also was very lenient on homosexuality. Two things Hitler was having none of, so he started murdering them. Largely to reassure Germany's industrial elite that no, the Nazis are not instigating a true socialist revolution. What's funny is that the SA leader, Ernst Rohm, was probably Hitler's closest friend before the Nazi Party's rise to power. He was the only party member to address Hitler as "Adolf" rather than "Mein Fuhrer".
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Killing homosexuals and socialists to appease the kings of private industry. Yup. Definitely a Liberal policy. :P
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Largely to reassure Germany's industrial elite that no, the Nazis are not instigating a true socialist revolution. Eh, I wouldn't say Ernst Rohm and Hitler were all that close as far as friendship went. Rohm was able to call Hitler by his first name because, as far as power within in the Nazi party went, he was at a parity with Hitler. Hitler was head of the political and ideological arm of the party, with Rohm being at the head of the paramilitary wing of the party. During the Weimar Republic many political parties had paramilitary wings of their organizations which would raid the rallies of other parties, get into street brawls, and generally cause trouble for their opponents. Some of these groups, like the Steel Helmet, League of Frontline Soldiers (or Stahlhelm, Bund der Frontsoldaten in German), which was a large, right wing pro-military organization that was created after German's defeat in WWI and made up of cashiered officers and enlisted men, didn't have so much political interest as they did in supporting the weakened German Army.
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Hitler used a government program to do a thing. Democrats also used a government program to do a thing. The Holocaust was implemented by the German government, while public schools and Medicare were implemented by the American government. Therefore, those things are the same. That's actually how deep they think about it. Actual adults who live on this planet use that logic, and other adults look to those people to inform them. I think Republicans are exempt because while Hitler and Obama secretly wanted to hurt people, Republicans are up front about their desire to hurt people.
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Crasscrab posted:Eh, I wouldn't say Ernst Rohm and Hitler were all that close as far as friendship went. No they were literally friends.
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