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It seems like right wing messaging and media is basically just taking the sort of repetitive thinking that made millions of people believe that Mikey from the Life cereal commercials died from eating Pop Rocks chased with soda, Rod Stewart had a gallon of cum pumped from his stomach and Marilyn Manson is really Paul from the Wonder Years and turning it into an art form. They just repeat it often enough and usually as a matter of fact (ACORN, voter fraud, Obamaphone, liberal media, activist judges), sprinkled into whatever they're otherwise talking about (say, Benghazi or something) that it manages to take hold by not being the main focus of their discussion. Like, "now that you've stopped beating your kids and cheating on your wife, do you see how conservatism is the true answer?" Next thing you know, everyone associates that person with child abuse and adultery. It's masterful in its way. It's like knowing the truth minus Snopes.
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MaxxBot posted:Were you listening to his show yesterday? He brought some lady on who claimed that college guys hook up with women not because they want to, but because social pressure forces them to hook up and then brag about it for street cred. She then said that college students as a whole hate "hookup culture" but are pressured into it to appear cool and that really they all want monogamous marriage Nah, I only listen in my car or when my monthly pandora limit on my phone runs out. That doesn't surprise me though. None of this poo poo ever has anything serious to back it up. It's always designed to sound just plausible enough that people who have no first hand experience in the subject can nod along and internalize bullshit that fits the perceptions they already have.
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BiggerBoat posted:It seems like right wing messaging and media is basically just taking the sort of repetitive thinking that made millions of people believe that Mikey from the Life cereal commercials died from eating Pop Rocks chased with soda, Rod Stewart had a gallon of cum pumped from his stomach and Marilyn Manson is really Paul from the Wonder Years and turning it into an art form. Dunno if it's all that masterful; it's pretty much the same people they're targeting. The bozos who thought KISS stood for Knights in Satan's Service and that kids were dropping acid and playing D&D then killing themselves. Rubes are a fairly stable market.
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Apr 30, 2013 20:07
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watt par posted:Dunno if it's all that masterful; it's pretty much the same people they're targeting. The bozos who thought KISS stood for Knights in Satan's Service and that kids were dropping acid and playing D&D then killing themselves. Rubes are a fairly stable market. 512640 enter the market every year.
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Apr 30, 2013 20:28
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Good Citizen posted:Dennis Praeger is having a grand time railing against the hookup culture in college as a result of feminism and secularism. Yes, this is the way to attract the youth vote, by being against sex. We all know that sex isn't popular at all. Right, because all male students lived squeaky clean monastic lives before graduating back in the good old days. Students never even dreamed of the notion of casual sex until all those goddamn hippies took over the academy and forced everyone to take Topics in Queer Trans Sodomy 101.
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watt par posted:Dunno if it's all that masterful; it's pretty much the same people they're targeting. The bozos who thought KISS stood for Knights in Satan's Service and that kids were dropping acid and playing D&D then killing themselves. Rubes are a fairly stable market. Apparently. I guess I mean the way they use and employ the technique is masterful and clever. Instead of going on a direct diatribe about KISS being devil worshipers or D&D leading to suicide, they'll say "so Satan's Knights played a show last night in Nancy Pelosi's hometown of San Francisco to raise money for..." or "and those D&D types were so busy gobbling acid and killing themselves, they forgot to commit voter fraud on election day!" They just sort of ease these terms in there instead of making them the focus of the story or whatever. Just drop as many "ACORN", "Kenyan", "Marxist" and whatever in there while you're discussing the Boston bombing - things that have nothing to do with the bombing - and the terms take hold.
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BiggerBoat posted:Apparently. I guess I mean the way they use and employ the technique is masterful and clever. Instead of going on a direct diatribe about KISS being devil worshipers or D&D leading to suicide, they'll say "so Satan's Knights played a show last night in Nancy Pelosi's hometown of San Francisco to raise money for..." or "and those D&D types were so busy gobbling acid and killing themselves, they forgot to commit voter fraud on election day!" Was right-wing messaging like this in the 90s and before? I don't seem to remember it being such meme-y word salad.
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Apr 30, 2013 23:36
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Radbot posted:Was right-wing messaging like this in the 90s and before? I don't seem to remember it being such meme-y word salad. They'd throw around the occasional Archie Bunkerism like "Hollywood liberal" but the messaging wasn't as densely illustrated with perjoratives as it is now. I think the trend started taking off during the Clinton era when people like Gingrich really began ratcheting up the catchphrase-y demonization. E: also the right was very upset at the way Bush was (justifiably) charcterized as a miserable failure, so of course they started projecting that characterization of failure/stupidity/corruption onto every liberal figure they could, just out of spite. beatlegs fucked around with this message at 00:09 on May 1, 2013 |
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Radbot posted:Was right-wing messaging like this in the 90s and before? I don't seem to remember it being such meme-y word salad. Not really, no, but it wasn't so prevalent either. You had Rush and then once he became financially successful and established the marketable concept of "the conservative rebel" and "the lone voice in the wilderness speaking conservative truth to liberal power" there eventually came a lot of copycats trying to fill a perceived vacuum. That's sort of what I was trying to point out a few posts earlier. They do it differently now and have become better at it. They really learned a lot about the power of advertising and the sorts of things that, say, The 700 Club does. It really is the ultimate extension of PT Barnum, wonder tonic and the nature of rubes and all that, but I still think the way they introduce memes and language these days is way more insidious and clever.
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Good Citizen posted:Dennis Praeger is having a grand time railing against the hookup culture in college as a result of feminism and secularism. Yes, this is the way to attract the youth vote, by being against sex. We all know that sex isn't popular at all. Even as a college-aged fraternity male at a generally politically conservative school, the reaction I've heard on this from everyone--even college republicans--has been a steady laugh at this. When the younger members of your political movement think you're being facetious, you really need to give it up. For the love of god, kids aren't going to stop loving because some 70-year old man on the radio blamed some buzzwords I'm not supposed to like. It's just like consistently denying reality.
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TheGreyGhost posted:Even as a college-aged fraternity male at a generally politically conservative school, the reaction I've heard on this from everyone--even college republicans--has been a steady laugh at this. When the younger members of your political movement think you're being facetious, you really need to give it up. For the love of god, kids aren't going to stop loving because some 70-year old man on the radio blamed some buzzwords I'm not supposed to like. It's just like consistently denying reality. Keep in mind this is the same Dennis Praeger that has repeatedly stated that marijuana is far more harmful than tobacco (and who smokes cigars every single day). I like his show because he's sometimes funny and seems less hateful and much better educated than most conservatives but he is monumentally dumb/delusional on some issues.
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BiggerBoat posted:Apparently. I guess I mean the way they use and employ the technique is masterful and clever. Instead of going on a direct diatribe about KISS being devil worshipers or D&D leading to suicide Yeah man, this forum really sucks. TheGreyGhost posted:Even as a college-aged fraternity male at a generally politically conservative school, the reaction I've heard on this from everyone--even college republicans--has been a steady laugh at this. When the younger members of your political movement think you're being facetious, you really need to give it up. For the love of god, kids aren't going to stop loving because some 70-year old man on the radio blamed some buzzwords I'm not supposed to like. It's just like consistently denying reality. It's the cornerstone of the conservative mindset! Without it, the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.
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Radbot posted:Was right-wing messaging like this in the 90s and before? I don't seem to remember it being such meme-y word salad. Whitewater, Vince Foster, Hillarycare, femi-nazis, "political correctness," yeah they were pretty good back then too.
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I'm wondering just how far back that craziness goes. Anything like this during the Carter administration?
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I don't think the strategy really changed. The style of media, and specifically the pace of media, has just changed. A decade ago most points were accompanied by a good deal of exposition. Now it's just more in your face constantly with exactly what they think you want, whether it's the internet, radio, or TV. I don't think it's a 'kids have a shorter attention span these days' kind of thing, it's just that media has adapted to be more fast paced and this has a really weird effect on 24-hour-a-day propaganda outlets.ponzicar posted:I'm wondering just how far back that craziness goes. Anything like this during the Carter administration? It's crazies all the way down, and gently caress yes this was happening in a slightly different form during Carter.
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May 1, 2013 03:03
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ponzicar posted:I'm wondering just how far back that craziness goes. Anything like this during the Carter administration? Conservatives thought JFK was a papist. How deep do you want to go?
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I see that there. posted:Conservatives thought JFK was a papist. How deep do you want to go? There's no way they could have said something bad about a nice old man in a wheelchair during wartime, right?  (I know they tried to hide his illness as long as possible but other than the court-packing stuff I don't really know a ton about conservative objections to FDR's presidency if you've got some fun stories)
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HaitianDivorce posted:There's no way they could have said something bad about a nice old man in a wheelchair during wartime, right? Look up the Business Plot.
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emptyspace posted:Look up the Business Plot. I'm amazed that people are all conspiratorial about 9/11 when there's an awesome conspiracy right there with a hero General and everything. It's perfect.
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emptyspace posted:Look up the Business Plot. I remember that one too, actually! When we were watching W it was fun telling my friend an heirloom Bush gets (I think when he was already President?) was from a family member who may have conspired to overthrow the US government. But what did they say? I'm sure Father Colsen or someone must have been slinging some poo poo,
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Sir Tonk posted:I'm amazed that people are all conspiratorial about 9/11 when there's an awesome conspiracy right there with a hero General and everything. It's perfect. People are incredibly lazy and don't know history. I'm going to go wild and say its the largest source of terrible opinions and policy.
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I think a crucial change occurred around here: Language: A Key Mechanism of Control Newt Gingrich's 1996 GOPAC memo As you know, one of the key points in the GOPAC tapes is that "language matters." In the video "We are a Majority," Language is listed as a key mechanism of control used by a majority party, along with Agenda, Rules, Attitude and Learning. As the tapes have been used in training sessions across the country and mailed to candidates we have heard a plaintive plea: "I wish I could speak like Newt." That takes years of practice. But, we believe that you could have a significant impact on your campaign and the way you communicate if we help a little. That is why we have created this list of words and phrases. This list is prepared so that you might have a directory of words to use in writing literature and mail, in preparing speeches, and in producing electronic media. The words and phrases are powerful. Read them. Memorize as many as possible. And remember that like any tool, these words will not help if they are not used. While the list could be the size of the latest "College Edition" dictionary, we have attempted to keep it small enough to be readily useful yet large enough to be broadly functional. The list is divided into two sections: Optimistic Positive Governing words and phrases to help describe your vision for the future of your community (your message) and Contrasting words to help you clearly define the policies and record of your opponent and the Democratic party. Please let us know if you have any other suggestions or additions. We would also like to know how you use the list. Call us at GOPAC or write with your suggestions and comments. We may include them in the next tape mailing so that others can benefit from your knowledge and experience. Optimistic Positive Governing Words Use the list below to help define your campaign and your vision of public service. These words can help give extra power to your message. In addition, these words help develop the positive side of the contrast you should create with your opponent, giving your community something to vote for! active(ly) activist building candid(ly) care(ing) challenge change children choice/choose citizen commitment common sense compete confident conflict control courage crusade debate dream duty eliminate good-time in prison empower(ment) fair family freedom hard work help humane incentive initiative lead learn legacy liberty light listen mobilize moral movement opportunity passionate peace pioneer precious premise preserve principle(d) pristine pro- (issue): flag, children, environment, reform prosperity protect proud/pride provide reform rights share strength success tough truth unique vision we/us/our Contrasting Words Often we search hard for words to define our opponents. Sometimes we are hesitant to use contrast. Remember that creating a difference helps you. These are powerful words that can create a clear and easily understood contrast. Apply these to the opponent, their record, proposals and their party. abuse of power anti- (issue): flag, family, child, jobs betray bizarre bosses bureaucracy cheat coercion "compassion" is not enough collapse(ing) consequences corrupt corruption criminal rights crisis cynicism decay deeper destroy destructive devour disgrace endanger excuses failure (fail) greed hypocrisy ideological impose incompetent insecure insensitive intolerant liberal lie limit(s) machine mandate(s) obsolete pathetic patronage permissive attitude pessimistic punish (poor ...) radical red tape self-serving selfish sensationalists shallow shame sick spend(ing) stagnation status quo steal taxes they/them threaten traitors unionized urgent (cy) waste welfare
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Today's conservative punditry is mostly reheated Bircher-ism. For example: "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'" is a quote from 1961 from the John Birch Society's Blue Book.
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The type of people who are pro-Republican messaging would probably be in favor of wealthy capitalists overthrowing FDR so I doubt it would get much traction other than to call them unsung heroes or something.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Today's conservative punditry is mostly reheated Bircher-ism. For example: "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'" is a quote from 1961 from the John Birch Society's Blue Book. I'd love to hear that Bircherism has ever had the chance to grow cold. If their enemies aren't visibly plotting, it's simply proof that their enemies are invisibly plotting. This crazy train's just got no brakes.
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RuanGacho posted:People are incredibly lazy and don't know history. I'm going to go wild and say its the largest source of terrible opinions and policy. And to be fair, I didn't learn about it in public school. I think the first time I heard about it was when I watched The Corporation many years ago.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Today's conservative punditry is mostly reheated Bircher-ism. For example: "both the U.S. and Soviet governments are controlled by the same furtive conspiratorial cabal of internationalists, greedy bankers, and corrupt politicians. If left unexposed, the traitors inside the U.S. government would betray the country's sovereignty to the United Nations for a collectivist New World Order, managed by a 'one-world socialist government.'" is a quote from 1961 from the John Birch Society's Blue Book. Eh, this kind of poo poo is reserved for fringe cases like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck to a degree. The heavy hitters like Limbaugh don't believe this poo poo.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Today's conservative punditry is mostly reheated Bircher-ism. Well, the Koch's daddy did fund the Birch Society. Got to wonder what they were up to all those years between then and now when nobody was paying attention.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Eh, this kind of poo poo is reserved for fringe cases like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck to a degree. The heavy hitters like Limbaugh don't believe this poo poo. It's never stated so explicitly, but it's there even in the mainstream, which is why you have actual elected officials going on about Agenda 21.
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Bircherism among the base is certainly what props up guys like Paul and Cruz though, and they're not small potatoes. There's always been a healthy strain of that cukcoo in the Old Right that allowed Birchers to appeal to them. The only thing they really differ on is foreign policy, but that's not really so apparent now that Communism is out of the picture.
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HaitianDivorce posted:There's no way they could have said something bad about a nice old man in a wheelchair during wartime, right? Apart from the already-mentioned Business Plot, I remember reading a while back that conservatives then liked cracking a fair amount of jokes about how Eleanor Roosevelt was passing as white.
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Newt Gingrich posted:we have heard a plaintive plea: "I wish I could speak like Newt."  It was harder to whine about FDR after Pearl Harbor, yes, but they had a field day accusing him of being a communist plant for the whole New Deal thing.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:
The pre-war years of the FDR administration were a beautiful clusterfuck. Huey Long blowing into the Senate and announcing that there's a mob coming for every motherfucker in congress and he ain't sure if he should try and stop them or grab a pitchfork himself. Robert Moses running NY State like his private kingdom. Socialists and Anarchists in the Midwest. Some serious Last Days of the Roman Republic action going on in those days.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:The heavy hitters like Limbaugh don't believe this poo poo. The heavy hitters don't believe any of it, or they wouldn't be capable of the flexibility required to stay relevant all these years.
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Since this is mostly the fault of these people, I just wanted to post this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/04/130430-light-bulb-labeling/ Conservatives are less likely to buy light bulbs if they're labeled as "environmentally friendly" no matter how superior they are. Edit: plus the poll showing that 40% of people didn't know the ACA passed because of all the misinformation. Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 18:43 on May 1, 2013 |
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:Since this is mostly the fault of these people, I just wanted to post this: This seems to say they are just tightwads though. When priced the same, most people went with the more efficient ones. Only when the price was higher did they skip the energy efficient bulbs.
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hewerman posted:This seems to say they are just tightwads though. When priced the same, most people went with the more efficient ones. Only when the price was higher did they skip the energy efficient bulbs. Nope. I've worked with people who were pretty miffed about the new light bulb thing. They don't believe that the government knows better than private industry and they believe that global warming doesn't exist because God would make sure that never happens and stuff like that. Plus they hate and fear change of any kind. They will refuse to buy environmentally friendly anything out of sheer spite.
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I love that explanation. God wouldn't let that happen to us. Well does he have a RED LINE for how hosed up the planet has to get? Do we need to shoot Sarin gas at the Ozone? Are there any other definite things God gave you the inside line on that we should be betting on?
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THE GAYEST POSTER posted:Since this is mostly the fault of these people, I just wanted to post this: And here I thought conservatives were fiscally responsible! Elephant Ambush posted:Nope. I've worked with people who were pretty miffed about the new light bulb thing. They don't believe that the government knows better than private industry and they believe that global warming doesn't exist because God would make sure that never happens and stuff like that. Plus they hate and fear change of any kind. They will refuse to buy environmentally friendly anything out of sheer spite. God: Well known for not letting bad things happen on a regular basis!
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I love that explanation. God wouldn't let that happen to us. Well does he have a RED LINE for how hosed up the planet has to get? Do we need to shoot Sarin gas at the Ozone? Are there any other definite things God gave you the inside line on that we should be betting on? They seriously do not believe that anything is wrong. At all. They firmly believe that global warming/climate change is some kind of liberal scam but they can't answer why the scam exists and what these liberal liars are hoping to gain through this scam because their news outlets never tell them. They're also the ones who live in places where it gets cold in the winter and therefore global warming can't possibly be happening because otherwise it would be warm. It's just head-in-the-sand denial of reality.
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