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Kilonum: Sep 30, 2002; You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/01/police-3-additional-suspects-in-custody-in-boston-marathon-bombings-case/

WBZ has it:

quote:

BOSTON (CBS/AP) � Boston police say three additional suspects have been taken into custody in Boston Marathon bombings investigation.

Their names have not been released. Police said more details will be released later today.

Earlier today, lawyers for two men friendly with suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev said their clients have been extensively interviewed by federal investigators.

Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev, both originally from Kazakhstan, appeared via video for a visa violation hearing in immigration court in Boston on Wednesday.

They have been held in a county jail for more than a week on allegations that they violated their student visas while attending the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

The marathon attack was not mentioned in court and their cases were continued.

Their attorneys said afterward that authorities have not indicated their clients had anything to do with the bombings. Federal authorities would not comment.

Attorney Robert Stahl said Tazhayakov and Kadyrbayev were drawn to Tsarnaev because he also spoke Russian.

# ? May 1, 2013 16:29

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# ? Jun 8, 2024 14:00

-Dethstryk-: Oct 20, 2000

http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/1/4289794/boston-police-arrest-three-more-marathon-bombing-suspects

And it sounds like they probably shouldn't have even mentioned the Boston Marathon in the first place, going by the latest updates.

Edit: Ah, here we go.

quote:

Update 12:58pm EDT: The two suspects from Kazakhstan are reported to be college friends of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, according to the Associated Press. CBS Boston is reporting these two suspects' names to be "Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev", and goes on to say they will be charged with "conspiracy to obstruct justice and making false statements." The report does not provide the name of the third suspect, but goes on to say it is a male native to Massachusetts, who will be charged with making false statements. The actual names and charges have yet to be unsealed but when they are, we will update.

-Dethstryk- fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 1, 2013

# ? May 1, 2013 17:39

Syllogism: Jun 7, 2001; We have listened. We are unmoved. The cleansing will proceed.

They are saying that there is some kind of connection, so possibly they knew something about the bombing before or after the fact and then lied to the investigators when they were later questioned. Obstruction of justice charges, possibly

e: Pete Williams: Suspects arrested in connection with Boston bombing case will be charged with lying to investigators

Source: Two new suspects in Boston case were classmates of Tsarnaev who may have thrown away a knapsack at Tsarnaev's request- @Reuters

Syllogism fucked around with this message at 18:18 on May 1, 2013

# ? May 1, 2013 18:11

Astroman: Apr 8, 2001

Just saw on CNN they appear to have ditched Dzhokhar's laptop and other evidence for him after police released the video surveillance pics.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:21

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

Astroman posted:

Just saw on CNN they appear to have ditched Dzhokhar's laptop and other evidence for him after police released the video surveillance pics.

Let's wait for another news source to confirm that.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:24

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

Retail Slave posted:

Ok this is probably wrong because very likely I'm a big stupid moron, but wouldn't they be able to detect the presence of an X or Y chromosome from DNA samples, thereby indicating if its male or female? Or am I talking out of my rear end?

He's loving around.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:27

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

Y Kant Ozma Post posted:

He's loving around.

Thereby confirming that I am, in fact, a big stupid moron.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:27

jalopybrown: Oct 11, 2012

Retail Slave posted:

Ok this is probably wrong because very likely I'm a big stupid moron, but wouldn't they be able to detect the presence of an X or Y chromosome from DNA samples, thereby indicating if its male or female? Or am I talking out of my rear end?

Just for the record, I think they have the right man in custody. I think the little bastard did it. I'm just taking issue with the "genetically female/male" thing.

TBW is one of those types who post outside of the glorious gray forums, it's a joke.

e;f,b

# ? May 1, 2013 18:30

Omnicarus: Jan 16, 2006

Astroman posted:

Just saw on CNN they appear to have ditched Dzhokhar's laptop and other evidence for him after police released the video surveillance pics.

In terms of bad ways to cover for your college buddy, this has to be just about the #1 worst that I've ever heard of. Even if they thought he was innocent, it's unimaginably stupid to dispose of evidence at the request of the most wanted teen in America. Unless I suppose they actually were involved beyond just being friends with dingus.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:34

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Forgive me if this has been posted, but I checked the last eight pages.

Washington Post posted:

Father of New York Post �Bag Man� seeks legal counsel

El Houssein Barhoum is the father of one of the young men depicted on the April 18 cover of the New York Post. �Bag Men,� read the headline, with this explanation: �Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.�

�These two� had nothing to do with the Boston Marathon bombings, but they made the Post cover in any case. As a result, Barhoum is talking to lawyers about his options. �A lot of people, they tell me that�s your right to sue them,� says Barhoum, who says he is working toward a contract with a lawyer. �I will give him my case and he will study it.� The Erik Wemple Blog is already on record as favoring this approach.

Should the family file a civil complaint, it�ll surely address the upheaval that the New York Post has helped bring to the Barhoum household. The son in the photo, Salah Barhoum, a 16-year-old track athlete (other accounts say he�s 17), sleeps one or two hours per night these days, says El Houssein Barhoum, and sometimes �refuses to go to school.� �He says, �I don�t want people to ask me a lot of questions,� � the father reports.

Before the photo hit the New York Post, it circulated on the Internet, a scary development that prompted Salah Barhoum to meet with authorities to clear his name. That was on Wednesday, two days after the bombings. On Thursday, the Post chose to showcase Salah Barhoum and a friend.

Following all the attention, �We were just scared to go outside,� says El Houssein Barhoum, who says he works at a Cosi restaurant in Boston. On account of the sleepless nights he spends thinking about his kid, Barhoum says he�s been arriving late to work. �Recently, because usually I keep thinking about my son and about my family and in the morning, it�s hard for me to wake up early and I become lazy again,� says El Houssein Barhoum, who immigrated from Morocco with his family about eight years ago. �My future is based on my kids, so when you see your future is like really like the destruction of your kids� future, so how can you feel? My capital is my kids. If something happens to them, it happens to me, too.�

Staffers from the New York Post, says El Houssein Barhoum, visited his home In Revere, Mass., on the same day that �Bag Men� appeared on the paper�s cover. �They come here at my home, check his real name and took some pictures,� he recalls. When asked if they�d apologized for the high-profile photograph, El Houssein Barhoum said they hadn�t. �If they won�t apologize, it�s not between me and the New York Post,� he says. �They should apologize on the newspaper. They should write something on the newspaper, not between us. If they make a bad image of your son, they should make a good image just to correct.�

The New York Post did publish a story saying that the kids had been �cleared.�

# ? May 1, 2013 18:37

Philthy: Jan 28, 2003; Pillbug

Omnicarus posted:

In terms of bad ways to cover for your college buddy, this has to be just about the #1 worst that I've ever heard of. Even if they thought he was innocent, it's unimaginably stupid to dispose of evidence at the request of the most wanted teen in America. Unless I suppose they actually were involved beyond just being friends with dingus.

This is what I am thinking. There is just no way they were all "derp, friend asked me to throw away this laptop and explosive poo poo, derp". They had to be destroying it because they were also linked to it one way or another.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:38

Squashy Nipples: Aug 18, 2007

Crazy Ted posted:

Forgive me if this has been posted, but I checked the last eight pages.

I hope they sue the pants off of the publisher.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:57

SirDan3k: Jan 6, 2001; Trust me, you are taking this a lot more seriously then I am.

Omnicarus posted:

In terms of bad ways to cover for your college buddy, this has to be just about the #1 worst that I've ever heard of. Even if they thought he was innocent, it's unimaginably stupid to dispose of evidence at the request of the most wanted teen in America. Unless I suppose they actually were involved beyond just being friends with dingus.

I'm hoping for a nice comedy turn where it was a simple pre-existing porn destruction pact.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:58

Sand Monster: Apr 13, 2008

Omnicarus posted:

In terms of bad ways to cover for your college buddy, this has to be just about the #1 worst that I've ever heard of. Even if they thought he was innocent, it's unimaginably stupid to dispose of evidence at the request of the most wanted teen in America. Unless I suppose they actually were involved beyond just being friends with dingus.

There have been lots of classmates and friends who have said they didn't even think it was him in the photos when they were released. These guys will probably just say the same thing.

# ? May 1, 2013 18:59

Fat Lowtax: Nov 9, 2008; "I'm willing to pay up to $1200 for a big anime titty"

The Dias kid changed his profile picture on a Russian social networking site to one of him and Dzhokhar the day of the chase, I think. Not that bright.

# ? May 1, 2013 19:02

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Philthy posted:

This is what I am thinking. There is just no way they were all "derp, friend asked me to throw away this laptop and explosive poo poo, derp". They had to be destroying it because they were also linked to it one way or another.

My guess is that they were asked to throw away potential evidence but did not tell that story to the authorities when questionsed, which was contradicted by what the FBI later wrung out of Dzhokhar.

# ? May 1, 2013 19:22

CampingCarl: Apr 28, 2008

Philthy posted:

This is what I am thinking. There is just no way they were all "derp, friend asked me to throw away this laptop and explosive poo poo, derp". They had to be destroying it because they were also linked to it one way or another.

Well they might have known they were destroying evidence unless they were really dumb but not be linked to bombing. He sold some drugs right? It could have been something like "That guy on TV looks like me and this laptop has evidence showing I sold/bought weed and these fireworks we were playing with are illegal so get rid of them."

# ? May 1, 2013 19:24

univbee: Jun 3, 2004

I think the most embarrassing thing would be if they did it because there was a bunch of obviously pirated music, movies and TV shows on it, and they were trying to dodge a million-dollar lawsuit. Something related to weed would be a pretty close 2nd.

# ? May 1, 2013 19:34

creatine: Jan 27, 2012

Even if they did have links to buying weed or whatever, since that isn't in the scope of a presumable warrant, would they even be charged?

e: I don't really fully understand how search warrants work besides that a judge finds enough probably cause to search for a specific thing related to a case.

# ? May 1, 2013 19:36

No.44: Dec 14, 2012

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one of the suspects arrested today for obstruction of justice texted Dhokhar Tsarnaev when pictures of the Marathon bombing suspects were released. Tsarnaev's response: "lol."

You can read the full FBI affidavit here:

http://gawker.com/three-additional-suspects-have-been-taken-into-custody-486214529

# ? May 1, 2013 20:04

Burt Sexual: Jan 26, 2006; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Switchblade Switcharoo

No.44 posted:

You can read the full FBI affidavit here:

http://gawker.com/three-additional-suspects-have-been-taken-into-custody-486214529

That is insane. I guess this means these guys could get life?

"Q: What is the penalty for obstruction?
A: Generally, federal obstruction of justice is punishable by up to five years in prison. If the obstruction occurs in connection with the trial of a federal criminal case, the defendant may be sentenced to either five years in prison, or the maximum sentence that could be imposed in the trial in which the obstruction occurred, whichever is greater. For example, if the obstruction occurs in connection with a drug trafficking case carrying a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, the person who obstructed justice might receive 20 years in prison for obstructing justice. If the person who obstructed justice was also the defendant in the drug trafficking case, the obstruction sentence might be added to the drug trafficking sentence, for a maximum possible sentence of 40 years in prison."

https://www.ohiobar.org/forpublic/resources/lawyoucanuse/pages/lawyoucanuse-132.aspx

Lol indeed.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:07

bonestructure: Sep 25, 2008; by Ralp

Jesus, was I this stupid when I was 19?

quote:

BOSTON - Three college friends of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were arrested and accused Wednesday of removing a backpack containing fireworks emptied of gunpowder from Tsarnaev's dorm room three days after the attack to try to keep him from getting into trouble.

Azamat Tazhayakov and Dias Kadyrbayev were charged with conspiring to obstruct justice. A third man, Robel Phillipos, was charged with lying to investigators about the visit to Tsarnaev's room.

In court papers, the FBI said Tazhayakov and Kadyrbayev agreed to throw the backpack in the garbage � it was later found in a landfill by law enforcement officers � after concluding from news reports that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was one of the bombers.

A court appearance for the three was scheduled for Wednesday afternoon. Their lawyers refused to comment ahead of the hearing.

Three people were killed and more than 260 injured on April 15 when two bombs exploded near the finish line. The suspect's brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, died after a gunfight with police days later. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a 19-year-old sophomore at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, was captured and lies in a prison hospital.

Tazhayakov and Kadyrbayev, who are from Kazakhstan, have been held in jail for more than a week on allegations that they violated their student visas while attending UMass. All three men charged Wednesday began attending UMass with Tsarnaev at the same time in 2011, the according to the FBI.

The three were not accused of any direct involvement in the bombing itself. But in a footnote in the court papers outlining the charges, the FBI said that about a month before the bombing, Tsarnaev told Tazhayakov and Kadyrbayev that he knew how to make a bomb.

Authorities allege that on the night of April 18, after the FBI released photos of the bombing suspects and the three men suspected their friend was one of them, they went to Tsarnaev's dorm room. The men noticed a backpack containing fireworks, which had been opened and emptied of powder, the FBI said.

The FBI said that Kadyrbayev knew when he saw the empty fireworks that Tsarnaev was involved in the bombings and decided to remove the backpack from the room "in order to help his friend Tsarnaev avoid trouble." He also decided to remove Tsarnaev's laptop, the FBI said in court papers.

After the three men returned to Kadyrbayev's and Tazhayakov's apartment with the backpack and computer, they watched news reports featuring photographs of Tsarnaev.

The FBI affidavit said Kadyrbayev told authorities the three men then "collectively decided to throw the backpack and fireworks into the trash because they did not want Tsarnaev to get into trouble."

Kadyrbayev said he placed the backpack and fireworks along with trash from the apartment into a large trash bag and threw it into a garbage bin near the men's apartment.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/205573081.html

# ? May 1, 2013 20:08

Philthy: Jan 28, 2003; Pillbug

creatine posted:

Even if they did have links to buying weed or whatever, since that isn't in the scope of a presumable warrant, would they even be charged?

e: I don't really fully understand how search warrants work besides that a judge finds enough probably cause to search for a specific thing related to a case.

Yeah, I don't think they would be freaking over selling drugs or stealing movies. They knew people died, and hundreds got maimed. They knew this was a huge deal and anyone connected to the actual plot would never see the light of day. There is just no way they did this over petty crap.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:09

Syllogism: Jun 7, 2001; We have listened. We are unmoved. The cleansing will proceed.

According to the affidavit, all three were watching a movie at Tsarnaev's dormitory room (Tsarnaev wasn't there, his roommate was) when one of them noticed a backpack with the empty fireworks and then one of them realized that Tsarnaev was involved in the bombings. He then allegedly decided to get rid of the backpack in order to help their friend avoid trouble. He allegedly took the laptop because otherwise Tsarnaev's roommate would think that he was stealing or behaving suspiciously by just taking the backpack (????)

# ? May 1, 2013 20:10

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Darth123123 posted:

That is insane. I guess this means these guys could get life?

"Q: What is the penalty for obstruction?
A: Generally, federal obstruction of justice is punishable by up to five years in prison. If the obstruction occurs in connection with the trial of a federal criminal case, the defendant may be sentenced to either five years in prison, or the maximum sentence that could be imposed in the trial in which the obstruction occurred, whichever is greater. For example, if the obstruction occurs in connection with a drug trafficking case carrying a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, the person who obstructed justice might receive 20 years in prison for obstructing justice. If the person who obstructed justice was also the defendant in the drug trafficking case, the obstruction sentence might be added to the drug trafficking sentence, for a maximum possible sentence of 40 years in prison."

https://www.ohiobar.org/forpublic/resources/lawyoucanuse/pages/lawyoucanuse-132.aspx

Lol indeed.

Yeah it's similar to being a accomplice in a big crime, I don't want to even think of the max prison time someone could get for getting the accomplice judgement in something such as the Boston bombing.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:10

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

I hope they get hosed.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:11

uncle spero: Nov 18, 2011; Bobby couldn't make it...
'till he went fun-truckin'!

That affadavit is amazing. The guy explicitly tells the FBI he saw the fireworks, they led him to believe his friend was thus involved in the bombing, and then he took the bag away to help his friend stay out of trouble . . . .

If a jury gets to hear all of that this guy is going away for a long time.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:12

ClemenSalad: Oct 25, 2012; by Lowtax

Philthy posted:

Yeah, I don't think they would be freaking over selling drugs or stealing movies. They knew people died, and hundreds got maimed. They knew this was a huge deal and anyone connected to the actual plot would never see the light of day. There is just no way they did this over petty crap.

Yea they threw away fireworks empty of gunpowder. They knew what he did.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:12

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

I even wonder what sort of massive prison sentence they could get for obstructing a federal level terrorism case given that even drug charges can get someone a 40 year prison sentence.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:13

Burt Sexual: Jan 26, 2006; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS; Switchblade Switcharoo

etalian posted:

I even wonder what sort of massive prison sentence they could get for obstructing a federal level terrorism case given that even drug charges can get someone a 40 year prison sentence.

Life, it was in my post.

"If the obstruction occurs in connection with the trial of a federal criminal case, the defendant may be sentenced to either five years in prison, or the maximum sentence that could be imposed in the trial in which the obstruction occurred, whichever is greater."

# ? May 1, 2013 20:15

xie: Jul 29, 2004; I GET UPSET WHEN PEOPLE SPEND THEIR MONEY ON WASTEFUL THINGS THAT I DONT APPROVE OF

Loaning someone your car that gets used in the sale or distribution of drugs can get you a life sentence. This will certainly be eligible.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:15

Omnicarus: Jan 16, 2006

Omnicarus posted:

In terms of bad ways to cover for your college buddy, this has to be just about the #1 worst that I've ever heard of. Even if they thought he was innocent, it's unimaginably stupid to dispose of evidence at the request of the most wanted teen in America. Unless I suppose they actually were involved beyond just being friends with dingus.

Wow they actually were this stupid.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:17

the kawaiiest: Dec 22, 2010; Uguuuu ~

Yeah I seriously can't get over how stupid these kids are. Not only are they in deep poo poo now, they've also added even more proof that Jahar is guilty.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:22

WastedJoker: Oct 29, 2011; Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shoulders... burning with the fires of Orc.

Bro's before po-po's?

# ? May 1, 2013 20:23

ClemenSalad: Oct 25, 2012; by Lowtax

the kawaiiest posted:

Yeah I seriously can't get over how stupid these kids are. Not only are they in deep poo poo now, they've also added even more proof that Jahar is guilty.

Hell that's literally the best case scenario for them at this point, that they were stupid. They could also have been involved.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:24

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

So these 3 idiots could in theory be on the hook for 2 life terms on federal charges plus the equivalent state charges connected to 3 murders and like 200-300 attempted murders...

Voted 5 (life terms), go hog wild!

# ? May 1, 2013 20:27

bonestructure: Sep 25, 2008; by Ralp

Is one of these dipshits the friend with the "Terrorista #1" vanity tag?

edit: Yep.

quote:

Two of the three people newly arrested in the Boston Marathon investigation are Kazakh friends of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, and one drove a BMW with a vanity license plate that said �Terrorista #1,� according to people who knew them.
The two were pictured in a 2012 photo with Tsarnaev in Times Square that was posted to VKontakt, the Russian equivalent of Facebook. Authorities say Tsarnaev and his brother, suspected in the marathon attack, discussed driving to New York and setting off more of their explosives there.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18003255-tsarnaev-friends-had-money-and-terrorista-1-license-plate-classmate-says?lite

# ? May 1, 2013 20:28

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

These fuckheads deserve the pain-train comming their way.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:29

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uncle spero: Nov 18, 2011; Bobby couldn't make it...
'till he went fun-truckin'!

Federal and Terrorism have to be two completely different animals, but a couple years ago just over the border in NH this guy helped dispose of clothes, personal items and I believe weapons in a river after a home invasion murder:

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/952858-196/savoy-granted-parole-on-first-sentence-will.html

I believe he was told the items were from a robbery when he actually tossed them in the river but the next day he connected them to news stories of the murder, but didn't turn his friends in based on his suspicions. I think all together he'll do 5 years. I can't imagine these guys will get life, even if the courts can impose that sentence.

E: Just read one of them was the terrorista license plate guy. Maybe they will get life if they can't stay out of their own way on their train of stupidity.

# ? May 1, 2013 20:32

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