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I don't think Mel Gibson has ever said he's a republican, he's just extremely religous, and just like politics, we know that isn't a very good mix with alcholism. His career has gone to poo poo as a result from the leaked tapes, not politics. I think I remember him even praising Michael Moore's Fahremheit 9/11. I think conservatives are shunned in Hollywood because Hollywood tries to attract as much of an audience as possible for their films. And social conservatism does not appeal to a big demographic at all.
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FMguru posted:Hollywood's full of people who don't get called back for second auditions or who can't get their screenplay looked at. It's because that's how Hollywood works. Only a tiny sliver conclude that it's because they've been blackballed because of their right-wing beliefs. Hollywood is a brutal, cold, maximizing, hyper-efficient capitalist machine, and peoples' careers go ice-cold all the time, usually because something fresher or hotter or younger comes along. (There's also the matter of showbiz people generally having huge egos and not exactly being the best objective judges of why their career has arced the way it has). On top of that you really have to go out of your way to burn every bridge there. There's a fair amount of shitheadedness that's tolerated. Just ask Troy Duffy.
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May 4, 2013 23:28
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Maybe I'm wrong (I likely am) but I tend to view Hollywood as full of upper-class "limousine liberals" who "talk" a slightly centerist talk but when it comes down to it value capitalisim and money more then they do justice. They look down on urban and rural poor alike. Again, I might be wrong and this is simply based on anecdotes and no research whatsoever .
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May 4, 2013 23:33
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There's also a difference between conservative in the "I fear change and believe in racist common-sense truisms and neoliberalism (because that's what I've been taught)" and the full-bore fascist/theocratic lunacy that the Republicans are being dragged into by the tea-party. Hollywood's culture is certainly more libertine than what's advocated for on your average AM broadcast, but it isn't leftist. I think tha's really what they mean, that Hollywood must obviously ostracize conservatives because I can't say "women should get back in the kitchen or i'll beat them" at parties.
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May 4, 2013 23:33
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Niall Ferguson apologises for Keynes remarksquote:Harvard history professor Niall Ferguson has apologised for saying the economist John Maynard Keynes did not care about society's future because he was gay and had no children.
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May 5, 2013 01:08
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Yeah, Keynes, a man that obviously didn't care about society. Good job Ferguson.
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May 5, 2013 01:33
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Ferguson is just bitter his cold war fantasies haven't materialised, and that he won't be remembered a century later like Keynes is. In addition to being his usual neoliberalism American jingoistist fuckwit self.
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May 5, 2013 01:46
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Sir Tonk posted:Yeah, Keynes, a man that obviously didn't care about society. Good job Ferguson. Top flight American universities have a bottomless hunger for boorish English douchebags.
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May 5, 2013 01:48
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Hollywood is the epitome of the phrase "socially liberal, fiscally conservative", that's about all you need to know.
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May 5, 2013 04:11
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Brown Paper Bag posted:I'm assuming this counts as Right Wing Media... I'm never quite sure how I should feel about holocaust revisionists who don't deny the holocaust ever happened or that millions of jews were killed in it but rather nitpick over how they were killed and exactly how many millions it was.
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May 5, 2013 05:17
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Republicans posted:I'm never quite sure how I should feel about holocaust revisionists who don't deny the holocaust ever happened or that millions of jews were killed in it but rather nitpick over how they were killed and exactly how many millions it was. Disgusted is the proper emotion, I think.
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May 5, 2013 05:20
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Republicans posted:I'm never quite sure how I should feel about holocaust revisionists who don't deny the holocaust ever happened or that millions of jews were killed in it but rather nitpick over how they were killed and exactly how many millions it was. Instead of straight up denying it, they're trying to minimize it bit by bit. They're not any less disgusting, they're just a bit more subtle.
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May 5, 2013 05:30
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Modern Day Hercules posted:They're just a minority, not particularly persecuted in any way. Conservatives in general conflate being in the minority and not getting your way 100% of the time with actual persecution. This is no different. beatlegs posted:Is having awful ideas bordering on misanthropy and feeling social pressure to not express those views openly actually "persecution"? Nah, I think it's just the shame that deservedly comes with having lovely opinions. VirtualStranger posted:All you need to do in order to disabuse yourself of that notion that Hollywood is "liberal" is to take a look at how they handle female and minority roles in their films.
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May 5, 2013 06:08
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ponzicar posted:Instead of straight up denying it, they're trying to minimize it bit by bit. They're not any less disgusting, they're just a bit more subtle. I think it's more disgusting given that they acknowledge that it happened but basically say it wasn't as bad as people act like it was implying that it should be viewed less seriously and/or not discussed as much as it is. Like at least the deniers are crazy people. Revisionists are just straight assholes.
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May 5, 2013 06:11
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I'm just not sure which is worse. "THE JEWS MADE THE WHOLE THING UP TO GUILT US WHILE THEY TAKE OVER THE WORLD!  " -or- "I think you'll find that there's only evidence for the slaughter of four million jews, not six million as the so-called "history" claims.  "
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May 5, 2013 06:22
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Apparently Bill O'reilly goes off on Alan Colmes again. This time over the Boston Bombers welfare & immigration status. It's really funny as gently caress when someone proves O'Reilly wrong with facts. It's like a dose of reality causes Bill's brain to combust inside that thick loving skull of his. Also, living on 15k or below a year is TOTALLY living the American Dream Bill... That would be called living a miserable fuckin life dude.
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May 5, 2013 06:33
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I think it's more disgusting given that they acknowledge that it happened but basically say it wasn't as bad as people act like it was implying that it should be viewed less seriously and/or not discussed as much as it is. Like at least the deniers are crazy people. Revisionists are just straight assholes. Yea I'd much rather them just stick with 'no that didn't happen, your grandpa's friends and family who just fuckin vanished during that time were just PART OF THE LIE MAN'. Constantly shaving numbers down to go 'so yea it HAPPENED but, pft, yea, big fuckin deal' is way worse.
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May 5, 2013 07:19
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Am ironic thing about many holocaust deniers is that while technically they would approve of it, even they know down below that it was absolutely barbaric and thus try to absolve their idols and teachers from wrongdoing as to not look as bad.
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That's not ironic. That's the whole purpose of holocaust denial.
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"Billings, if Hitler didn't kill six million, why is he your hero?... Concentration camps all over Europe, and he only gets rid of a measly two hundred thousand... He's a putz."
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May 5, 2013 08:29
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Republicans posted:I'm just not sure which is worse. Honestly? I'd probably start a fight with both, the only difference being that the second guy would get the benefit of an, "Are you serious?" Before I went after him. Holocaust deniers are disgusting and evil and don't deserve the benefit of civil debate.
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May 5, 2013 08:43
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az posted:Am ironic thing about many holocaust deniers is that while technically they would approve of it, even they know down below that it was absolutely barbaric and thus try to absolve their idols and teachers from wrongdoing as to not look as bad. I don't like this topic of 'deep-down.' Why is it they superficially support it but deep-down know it's bad? Why not that they deep-down support it but accept that 'superficially' people will be disgusted by mass slaughter? My experience with most 'scholarly' holocaust denial is that it the usual desire is to equivocate between Nazi atrocities and others, to say basically 'look, everyone committed a few war-crimes, we all came off bad but fascism/Nazism is a legitimate and respectable ideology.'
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May 5, 2013 09:20
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The only way to stop terrorism is to starve the immigrants! If we just treat all foreign people worse and worse both at home and abroad everyone will finally stop wanting to attack America!
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May 5, 2013 12:17
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Republicans posted:I'm just not sure which is worse. I fail to see any possible scenario where the former could ever be seen as better than the latter.
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May 5, 2013 12:19
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Fulchrum posted:I fail to see any possible scenario where the former could ever be seen as better than the latter. It's better in the sense that nobody is ever going to convince anybody else that it's the truth. Saying the holocaust didn't happen outright is something that all non-crazy people know is false. On the other hand, there are people who really don't know how serious the holocaust was, so idiots spreading misinformation about that can have a real effect on other people.
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Modern Day Hercules posted:It's better in the sense that nobody is ever going to convince anybody else that it's the truth. Saying the holocaust didn't happen outright is something that all non-crazy people know is false. On the other hand, there are people who really don't know how serious the holocaust was, so idiots spreading misinformation about that can have a real effect on other people. Is there really a difference in scale of atrocity between four million and six million dead? I mean, who is going to say "4 Million? Yes, I can see that, its quite reasonable. Now 6 million, that would be a real atrocity, but 4 million is quite fine." The latter person is never going to get significant traction to try to creep the numbers down to non-worst-thing-ever levels, because unless they're doing it to the same person (who is gonna be weirded out by the guy constantly changing the story), trying to claim any less than a half a million (which is still an atrocity we view as more or less the same as the 6 million thing) will be met with the same "You're loving crazy" reaction by virtually anyone.
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Kieselguhr Kid posted:I don't like this topic of 'deep-down.' Why is it they superficially support it but deep-down know it's bad? Why not that they deep-down support it but accept that 'superficially' people will be disgusted by mass slaughter? My experience with most 'scholarly' holocaust denial is that it the usual desire is to equivocate between Nazi atrocities and others, to say basically 'look, everyone committed a few war-crimes, we all came off bad but fascism/Nazism is a legitimate and respectable ideology.' It's an interesting angle to look at, I guess I was giving nazis too much credit for having some humanity left in them in my last post. It's sometimes difficult to believe that someone really belives the industrial slaughter of millions of people was a good thing.
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Ted Cruz speech in South Carolina fuels buzz about presidential campaign In the article there is no mention at all that he is A) Born in Canada B) Therefore intelligible to hold the office of president. The right has been trying to gloss over the fact that he's not a natural born American citizen. Great reporting, guys.
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May 5, 2013 16:21
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Crasscrab posted:Ted Cruz speech in South Carolina fuels buzz about presidential campaign Cruz's parents were US citizens, and Cruz was born with US citizenship. Whether this qualifies him as a "natural born citizen" under the constitution is up to the Supreme Court, but I assume it probably would. It's certainly not obvious that he isn't a "natural born citizen" the way it is with, for example, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer Granholm.
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May 5, 2013 16:38
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Ah, okay.  But it's still an amusing little ironic aside.
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While I don't doubt the right is using a huge double standard, there's no reason we have to. He's a US citizen, by birth, because his parents are US citizens. E: Also, I'm an idiot who spends 20 minutes verifying a post before I make it.
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I think we can all agree that Cruz has a more tenuous claim to citizenship than Obama does, and it will be absolutely hilarious to see the birthers do a complete 180 after 8 years of the Muslim Kenyan socialist from Kenya.
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May 5, 2013 17:15
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Ted Cruz seriously looks like the cartoony villain from an Ernest movie.
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pacerhimself posted:Ted Cruz seriously looks like the cartoony villain from an Ernest movie. At this point the Troll from Ernest Scared Stupid is a more serious candidate than most tea partiers. Also: destroyed by raw milk rather than strengthened by it.
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Crasscrab posted:Ah, okay. VirtualStranger posted:I think we can all agree that Cruz has a more tenuous claim to citizenship than Obama does, and it will be absolutely hilarious to see the birthers do a complete 180 after 8 years of the Muslim Kenyan socialist from Kenya. This right here. I really want to see interviews with birthers about him.
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VirtualStranger posted:I think we can all agree that Cruz has a more tenuous claim to citizenship than Obama does, and it will be absolutely hilarious to see the birthers do a complete 180 after 8 years of the Muslim Kenyan socialist from Kenya. No, not really. They're both full citizens, and neither has a remotely tenuous claim to citizenship. That said yeah it would be funny if they weren't going to just completely ignore it, which they will. The argument will be that Cruz' parents both had citizenship whereas Obama's citizenship is forged because (stuff).
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Birtherism was always about skin color and you all know it so I don't know why anyone would be speculating on how birthers would respond to Ted Cruz's situation since he looks white and that's all that really matters to racist idiots.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Birtherism was always about skin color and you all know it so I don't know why anyone would be speculating on how birthers would respond to Ted Cruz's situation since he looks white and that's all that really matters to racist idiots. Because after all these years I still haven't relinquished my hope that we'll finally see some--hell, how about any?--logical consistency from the far right?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No, not really. They're both full citizens, and neither has a remotely tenuous claim to citizenship. Well, the issue among relatively better-educated birthers has never been that Obama isn't a citizen. Rather, it's that the phrase "natural-born citizen" means "a citizen who was born in the US" rather than just "someone who was a citizen from birth." If Cruz fails this criterion then I'd call that pretty funny. Of course among the rank and file, it's quite different. But for my money, most of those people don't have anything like an actual opinion that actually counts. They just heard things like "Bush is a war criminal who stole the 2000 election" and instead of actually taking it seriously they decided "Okay, I guess we're just saying things to say them, now. So I guess here goes. 'Obama isn't an American, he's a Kenyan sleeper agent.' " mr. mephistopheles posted:Birtherism was always about skin color and you all know it so I don't know why anyone would be speculating on how birthers would respond to Ted Cruz's situation since he looks white and that's all that really matters to racist idiots. For me, the hope is not so much that they'll suddenly be inspired to seek logical consistency of their own volition, but rather that someone will put a bunch of birthers on the spot on national TV and make them look like idiots. Ideally our press would make it their job to expose some of these people (at least the ones who are actually important public figures) for the hypocrites they are. But even this is a pretty slim chance; Jon Stewart will probably pick up on it but not much more.
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Just for purposes of clarification, Ted Cruz's father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Ted's birth. The comic value question for me is: Is Ted an anchor baby?
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