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az posted:It's an interesting angle to look at, I guess I was giving nazis too much credit for having some humanity left in them in my last post. It's sometimes difficult to believe that someone really belives the industrial slaughter of millions of people was a good thing. It would be worth reading/watching more about the lead up to the Holocaust- I think sometimes these more nuanced lessons get lost a amongst the focus on the slaughter itself. The capability for fear, tribalism, prejudice and for people to be rallied against some perceived "Other" (especially when they themselves are also told they are superior) are unfortunately deeply human traits. The BBC has a great documentary called "The Dark Charisma of Hitler" which I think really hits upon the build up to it. I get sort of miffed when people say (not accusing you of this but it is a related question) that something like the Holocaust happens just because of intense hatred and the policy was driven just to get rid of this population they didn't like. I would describe it more like an enormously angry and fearful population ensuing from earlier events was convinced a particular population was a parasitic cause of all their major problems and that is why it was a 'good policy'.
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Jacobin posted:The BBC has a great documentary called "The Dark Charisma of Hitler" which I think really hits upon the build up to it.
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Just watch The Wave and you will probably understand it.
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There's a huge difference between charisma and yelling what a bunch of poor angry people want to hear.
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radical meme posted:Just for purposes of clarification, Ted Cruz's father was not a U.S. citizen at the time of Ted's birth. You have to be born in the states while having foreign born parents to be a anchor baby I think. I mean unless the definition hasn't changed since I last heard it.
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So a libertarian radio host named Adam Kokesh is organizing a march on washington with open carried weapons. Considering they are not going to bother getting a permit, and will be in violation of DC gun laws, I wonder how the local police will respond. Of course, Kokesh isn't actually willing to do this unless they get a critical mass of 10,000 people to RSVP, so who knows if it will actually happen.
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Roxors posted:So a libertarian radio host named Adam Kokesh is organizing a march on washington with open carried weapons. Considering they are not going to bother getting a permit, and will be in violation of DC gun laws, I wonder how the local police will respond. Of course, Kokesh isn't actually willing to do this unless they get a critical mass of 10,000 people to RSVP, so who knows if it will actually happen. Nothing will happen because none of those fuckheads have the balls to do it. Fulchrum posted:I think this might be one of the most hard to believe things about Hitler. Even putting aside our cultural stigmas about who he was, the footage and imagery that he himself ordered put out showed an angrily shouting, bloodthirsty man. I really find it hard to believe he could have been charismatic. Then I don't think you fully understand just how bitter the German people were following WWI. Hitler was seen as a man that was fighting back against the powers that oppressed Germany. Hatred for the Treaty of Versailles was pretty much universally hated, even among leftist parties. And the thing about Hitler was yes, he was exceedingly charismatic, maybe not if you were to meet him face to face, but before a large audience he could swell the emotions of the listeners. Darkman Fanpage fucked around with this message at 05:12 on May 6, 2013 |
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Roxors posted:So a libertarian radio host named Adam Kokesh is organizing a march on washington with open carried weapons. Considering they are not going to bother getting a permit, and will be in violation of DC gun laws, I wonder how the local police will respond. Of course, Kokesh isn't actually willing to do this unless they get a critical mass of 10,000 people to RSVP, so who knows if it will actually happen. Open carry rallies are indistinguishable from public and aggressive shows of force. Especially because they have the same political views on basically everything else besides the one that the rally is ostensibly about. So if they were hippies instead of fascists in training (FiT!), they'd see about forty to four hundred of their own gunned down by police. I heard somewhere yesterday than National Guardsmen were no longer sent out to demonstrations with live ammunition following Kent State. I assume this is not the policy with other agencies doing crowd control. Killing students does not protect wealth (as much as some police enjoy it), and the myriad of terrifying but less-than-lethal options they have available does no less to dissuade energetic gathering.
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Roxors posted:So a libertarian radio host named Adam Kokesh is organizing a march on washington with open carried weapons. Considering they are not going to bother getting a permit, and will be in violation of DC gun laws, I wonder how the local police will respond. Of course, Kokesh isn't actually willing to do this unless they get a critical mass of 10,000 people to RSVP, so who knows if it will actually happen. This is a really easy way for right-wing blowhards to get press for themselves, because they know that they can just attach some arbitrary number of people who have to sign up. And then when only a few hundred fringe lunatics do sign up and the march is cancelled, they get to yell about how Obama would have had his goons open fire on peaceful citizens if they didn't have X amount of people to stop them.
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Fulchrum posted:I think this might be one of the most hard to believe things about Hitler. Even putting aside our cultural stigmas about who he was, the footage and imagery that he himself ordered put out showed an angrily shouting, bloodthirsty man. I really find it hard to believe he could have been charismatic. Seriously though, if you listen to the leaders of American hate groups it's really difficult to get past the disgusting things they're saying to understand their charisma, but it's certainly there.
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I saw this earlier while perusing the headlines: The Ghost of Sandra Fluke Is Haunting Rush Limbaugh's Mega-Deal quote:Rush Limbaugh denied that the advertiser boycott of his show after he called Sandra Fluke a slut would cost him anything, but a year later, it's clear that prediction wasn't true. It has, at the very least, cost him his relationship with the radio network giant Cumulus Media. Limbaugh's show is thinking of ending its contract with Cumulus at the end of the year, Politico's Dylan Byers reports. Cumulus CEO Lew Dickey has blamed Limbaugh for advertising losses, while Limbaugh thinks he's just making excuses. Either way, the Fluke controversy has clearly cost the radio host. We all know Rush tends to get away with a lot because at this point most Americans seem to just roll their eyes and go "yep, that's just Rush being Rush" but I'm really happy to see Rush getting called on his bullshit and having some consequences laid down for all his bloviating.
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Xarthor posted:I saw this earlier while perusing the headlines: Capitalism and the free market at work. You'd think Rush would love it. People speaking with their wallets and such.
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May 6, 2013 20:16
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I'm curious, in general, if guys like Rush and other right-wing yell-show hosts have always had questionable advertisers, or if that's more of a result of nobody giving a poo poo about radio any more. Take Howard Stern, for example, who up until 3 or 4 years ago was still getting give-away prize money from movie studios and 7-11; although now he's doing live-reads for poo poo like Beezid. Were guys like Rush getting advertisers like that at one point as well, or have they always been scummy companies?
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BiggerBoat posted:Capitalism and the free market at work. You'd think Rush would love it. People speaking with their wallets and such.
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Tim Selaty Jr posted:I'm curious, in general, if guys like Rush and other right-wing yell-show hosts have always had questionable advertisers, or if that's more of a result of nobody giving a poo poo about radio any more. Take Howard Stern, for example, who up until 3 or 4 years ago was still getting give-away prize money from movie studios and 7-11; although now he's doing live-reads for poo poo like Beezid. Were guys like Rush getting advertisers like that at one point as well, or have they always been scummy companies? They aren't all scummy. A lot of legitimate and well-regarded IT service providers advertise on right wing talk radio. I guess right wingers purchase IT supplies a lot 
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Tim Selaty Jr posted:I'm curious, in general, if guys like Rush and other right-wing yell-show hosts have always had questionable advertisers, or if that's more of a result of nobody giving a poo poo about radio any more. Take Howard Stern, for example, who up until 3 or 4 years ago was still getting give-away prize money from movie studios and 7-11; although now he's doing live-reads for poo poo like Beezid. Were guys like Rush getting advertisers like that at one point as well, or have they always been scummy companies? Well, Rush used to be the Snapple spokesperson but I don't know if that qualifies for what you're looking for. It seems like I remember that his advertisers weren't as ludicrous in the 90's and early 00's but googling variations of "Rush" and "advertisers" just returns pages of Sandra Fluke and boycott stuff.
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ashgromnies posted:They aren't all scummy. A lot of legitimate and well-regarded IT service providers advertise on right wing talk radio. I guess right wingers purchase IT supplies a lot As somebody who has had the displeasure of working with them and their hardware products, I can assure you Barracuda Networks is neither a legitimate or well regarded IT company. They are the only IT ads I ever hear on right wing stations not counting AOL, and speed up your PC web site crap ware. They do it because they can get idiot MBA's who just opened their small business to buy their poo poo. It's really that simple. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 6, 2013 |
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Tim Selaty Jr posted:I'm curious, in general, if guys like Rush and other right-wing yell-show hosts have always had questionable advertisers, or if that's more of a result of nobody giving a poo poo about radio any more. Take Howard Stern, for example, who up until 3 or 4 years ago was still getting give-away prize money from movie studios and 7-11; although now he's doing live-reads for poo poo like Beezid. Were guys like Rush getting advertisers like that at one point as well, or have they always been scummy companies? I remember when Rush did ads for Florida Orange Juice. There was a time when they could get fairly mainstream advertising. But the reality is these guys have been pulling hard right, and the general US population really isn't that hard right. So the combination of right-wing radio putting itself into a niche and radio generally dying means they are collectively scraping the bottom of the barrel now in terms of advertisers.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:As somebody who has had the displeasure of working with them and their hardware products, I can assure you Barracuda Networks is neither a legitimate or well regarded IT company. They are the only IT ads I ever hear on right wing stations not counting AOL, and speed up your PC web site crap ware. We must have had a different experience. I've heard good things from people I know too, but that's pretty off-topic now. So what actually happens if Rush and Cumulus end their relationship? Does that mean no more Rush on the radio?
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ashgromnies posted:So what actually happens if Rush and Cumulus end their relationship? Does that mean no more Rush on the radio? Cumulus just owns some stations that carry Rush. Rush works for Clear Channel, not Cumulus. Rush would stop appearing on those specific radio stations and other stations in those areas would start to carry his show instead. It doesn't matter, though, since this is all just Cumulus blaming a year old controversy for their own failed business model in a declining medium. They aren't really going to drop Rush.
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The story is that Rush was reportedly threatening to leave them because they dared mention that his Fluke saga cost them millions. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/05/rush-limbaugh-may-leave-cumulus-163282.html The party of personal responsibility: Where you are entitled to be mad at someone because they mentioned that your idiocy cost them money.
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It gets better...Politico posted:The way Mike Huckabee's handlers talked about it in 2012, "The Mike Huckabee Show" was going to give talk radio king Rush Limbaugh a run for his money. Instead, just over a year after the show's launch, Huckabee is already considering calling it quits. Huckabee was Cumulus' answer for a homegrown Limbaugh alternative they didn't need to pay affiliate fees for, since he probably makes 1/3-1/2 or so of what Cumulus is paying for Limbaugh just in Chicago. Huckabee is also crying that he spends 7 hours a day prepping for the show so he either has the industry's worst staff (It's Cumulus, so it's possible) or reads the junk they hand him at a snail's pace. Since they've failed to dislodge the Clear Channel owned Rush at their own NY or Chicago stations, and apparently aren't pulling in the non-Cumulus owned affiliates in sufficient numbers I wonder if Mike is worried about a paycut coming his way. Another fun situation is going to be Hannity's new contract next year. From the leftovers of ABC Radio's days his deal is a partnership between Clear Channel and Cumulus, but I can't see the Cumulus wanting to keep paying him so even when the Rush-Huckabee mess is settled that will be coming up.
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Let me be the first to say if Cumulus drops Rush, and he strikes a deal with XM, I am canceling my XM subscription so fast and telling them exactly loving why.
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Last year in New York, Clear Channel bought WOR, an AM station with as huge as a signal as Cumulus-owned WABC, Rush's current station. Everybody in radio following this assumes that the first chance Clear Channel gets, Rush is going to WOR. So I think all of this is pretty much just Rush drumming up publicity for when this happens.
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GoatSeeGuy posted:Huckabee is also crying that he spends 7 hours a day prepping for the show so he either has the industry's worst staff (It's Cumulus, so it's possible) or reads the junk they hand him at a snail's pace. Meanwhile, one of Limbaugh's interns shows him the wikipedia page for "chopped and screwed" music 10 years after it's relevant, and he's capable of somehow putting together a segment out of it that slams Obama for... uhh... something or other. Limbaugh and Beck and Levin may be evil incarnate, but the top conservative radio guys are are amazingly gifted at what they do. They're basically improv artists; give them a one-word suggestion and they can fill an hour of air-time that convincingly ties it into a massive liberal conspiracy. I haven't listened to Huckablee, but what's his tone/narrative like? Is he trying to mimic the current market and just not talented enough to do it without a full day of prep+planning? Or is he trying to put together a logical and well-researched alternative? The latter would be incredibly naive, there's no listener base looking for reasonable discourse and no successful talk-radio personalities who follow that model. Not just in politics; every sports, financial, and advice radio show around features blowhard hosts who use their rhetorical talents and total control of the discourse to seem like geniuses compared to their less erudite callers and guests, regardless of facts/reality. Even shows I enjoy, like Loveline and Car Talk, clearly use this model. Sword of Chomsky posted:As somebody who has had the displeasure of working with them and their hardware products, I can assure you Barracuda Networks is neither a legitimate or well regarded IT company. They are the only IT ads I ever hear on right wing stations not counting AOL, and speed up your PC web site crap ware. There's stuff like Carbonite and GoToMyPC too; that fills a legitimate need but is overpriced and takes advantage of un-savvy people who wouldn't know about the ubiquity of cheaper alternatives. Scummy, but they come off as fairly benign compared to the blatant scams that usually fill those ad slots. It's not just conservative talk losing all their credible sponsors, I hear the same poo poo about herbal remedies and investment advice and overpriced tech services on apolitical talk-shows too. There's a lot of podcast/radio overlap too, it's weird hearing Marc Maron, Earwolf, Jim Rome, and Limbaugh all pimping stamps.com and legalzoom.com using similar copy and the same selling points. I don't know anyone who's actually used those so I'm not sure if they're legit or not.
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If they're selling over priced products to White Republicans and ripping them off in the process... well. Good for them. Could not care less that they're scamming scammers. ed Breitbart is awesome. Top 5 headlines are 1 - 4 MEDIA IS IGNORING BENGHAZI with 5 being MEDIA PICKS UP BENGHAZI STORY BUT TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. Zuhzuhzombie!! fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 7, 2013 |
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little munchkin posted:Meanwhile, one of Limbaugh's interns shows him the wikipedia page for "chopped and screwed" music 10 years after it's relevant, and he's capable of somehow putting together a segment out of it that slams Obama for... uhh... something or other. Limbaugh and Beck and Levin may be evil incarnate, but the top conservative radio guys are are amazingly gifted at what they do. They're basically improv artists; give them a one-word suggestion and they can fill an hour of air-time that convincingly ties it into a massive liberal conspiracy. I've seen Hannity work and his show prep once he's on site is literally pulling up the Drudge Report and pulling up a stack of those live reads for gold and boner pills. It is really impressive to watch and something most smaller talk show hosts never quite grasp, you need to work in some style to your hackery. As for Huckabee, he came into the radio arena during the heart of Fluke Mania and was peddled as "Conversation, not confrontation", and they really played up his Aww Shucks persona. Much like in politics he'll say the occasional incredibly vile thing, but he'll do it with a smile and a joke so alot of time it just slides through. That said 90% of his show is pure distilled stupid and saying "Good Point!" or "Nice call" to perhaps the dumbest stable of callers on the radio. Funny thing is, Cumulus management is right when they've said hyperpartisanship is bad for the talk format, but they're just not smart (Or willing to invest) enough to pull it off. They've brought in Geraldo Rivera and Huckabee and apparently told them instead of changing things up with more viewpoints and discussion, just take everything to the dumbest common denominator and it's not working. Their other big hire, Michael Savage was just to stash him away so nobody else put him on against Hannity or Levin. According to Talkers Magazine his audience has dropped from (Radio world exaggerated) 9,000,000 a week, to 2-3 and some people say under 1. Another bit of good news is that Rush's contract with Clear Channel ends in 2016, and I doubt he'll want to take the paycut CC will force on him to sign another. He may go to XM/Sirius but ask Stern fans it's not the same. Just imagine the beauty of Limbaugh, who made himself saying every nasty thing he could think of under the sun about anyone with the last name of Clinton riding off into the sunset with Hillary winning the Presidency...
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GoatSeeGuy posted:Their other big hire, Michael Savage was just to stash him away so nobody else put him on against Hannity or Levin. According to Talkers Magazine his audience has dropped from (Radio world exaggerated) 9,000,000 a week, to 2-3 and some people say under 1. Good. Michael Savage is a goddamn fascist, and him falling off into frustrated obscurity is the best thing that could happen outside of him dying in a car wreck.
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greatn posted:Let me be the first to say if Cumulus drops Rush, and he strikes a deal with XM, I am canceling my XM subscription so fast and telling them exactly loving why. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet. XM has no reason to exist except in rural areas with poor FM/cellular reception, areas which tend to trend conservative.
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I know it's coming but I haven't seen it touched on yet: Sooner rather than later, one of these assholes is going to get into the subject of the Cleveland kidnapper and talk about how he's a leftist/immigrant or whatever. It sickens to me to know it's going to happen; if it hasn't already.
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little munchkin posted:Meanwhile, one of Limbaugh's interns shows him the wikipedia page for "chopped and screwed" music 10 years after it's relevant, and he's capable of somehow putting together a segment out of it that slams Obama for... uhh... something or other. That episode was just plain surreal. I legitimately thought Limbaugh was having a stroke during the show, at first. It was like he bet someone that he could hit the random article button on wikipedia and just do a whole show about how the result proved Obama was bad.
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So what is the "Benghazi cover-up" about? What do think think actually happened? I've never really heard anyone articulate it.
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Good Citizen posted:That episode was just plain surreal. I legitimately thought Limbaugh was having a stroke during the show, at first. It was like he bet someone that he could hit the random article button on wikipedia and just do a whole show about how the result proved Obama was bad. I must've missed this. What on earth does chopped and screwed have to do with Obama? e. like, did he admit to liking Paul Wall or something? did obama kill pimp c??
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BiggerBoat posted:I know it's coming but I haven't seen it touched on yet: Sooner rather than later, one of these assholes is going to get into the subject of the Cleveland kidnapper and talk about how he's a leftist/immigrant or whatever. It sickens to me to know it's going to happen; if it hasn't already. 'You can predict someone's character by their blood' is literally one of the most UnAmerican assertions they can make. I wonder how many people will parrot it if it becomes the norm.
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bpower posted:So what is the "Benghazi cover-up" about? What do think think actually happened? I've never really heard anyone articulate it. Well you see it's like this. Something HAD TO HAVE HAPPENED because OBAMA IS BAD, and we want it to happen so CLEARLY IT DID.
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Seoinin posted:I must've missed this. What on earth does chopped and screwed have to do with Obama? Who the gently caress knows? You're welcome to try to parse this poo poo yourself but I wouldn't recommend it Rush posted:RUSH: I'm telling you, people were OD'ing on Robitussin. This DJ Screw guy died of a Robitussin overdose. Robo-tripping was a predecessor of chopped and screwed, and you can't leave out purple drank when talking about this stuff, either, folks. That's another form of OD'ing with codeine. Not cool, but they do it.
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Taerkar posted:Well you see it's like this. Something HAD TO HAVE HAPPENED because OBAMA IS BAD, and we want it to happen so CLEARLY IT DID. I had to turn Limbaugh off after thirty minutes today because of the Benghazi repetition. I wasn't even offended, just bored. I instead listened to Alex Jones and his neverending "black ops" theories. At least he can change a topic.
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bpower posted:So what is the "Benghazi cover-up" about? What do think think actually happened? I've never really heard anyone articulate it. The "narrative" is that there were calls for help and someone in the administration specifically prevented that help from coming. Since then, the administration has "prevented" the survivors from testifying. Whatever that means. Apparently one or two of them have been leaking info that is damaging to the administration and the admin is "suppressing" them. This person is some how getting this info out there yet no one knows who any of the survivors are. So, basically, "he said this" but we don't know who "he" is or what he said specifically. Oh and Righties are pissed because Obama's not so quick on the frothing rhetoric. From what it looks like, there was so much poo poo going on and the help that was just "right around the corner" actually wasn't and no one has testified because it just hasn't gotten around to happening yet and the whistle blower is probably a complete fabrication.
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Good Citizen posted:Who the gently caress knows? You're welcome to try to parse this poo poo yourself but I wouldn't recommend it Ok y'know what, I'm just gonna pretend he was ranting about how Obama killed Pimp C and Nate Dogg to cover up his plan to blow up the projects because haha what the hell. e. yes please, Rush, give the robotripping a try. I hear it can exacerbate sleep apnea. Pound a whole case you weirdo hog. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 7, 2013 |
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