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FreelanceSocialist posted:I wonder if those would hold bombers as well as they hold wine bottles? If so, I see an upgrade in my future... They hold bombers along with 375 ml bottles. The only thing they don't hold, as far as I know, is the really thick 3F Armand bottles. They're not too expensive, either: http://www.wineracksamerica.com/Wood_Wine_Racks/
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HatfulOfHollow posted:About a quarter of the cellar was Cantillon. There was a lot of other rare stuff. I just don't understand how you get to that point without thinking "gee, I should drink some of this stuff" How do you know he/she doesn't drink it with semi-regularity and also continues to build up the cellar? I'm personally at the point now where I buy age-able beers which naturally run on the higher end of the abv scale, bust one out every week or so, and leave the "daily drinking" to my homebrewed saisons & IPAs. I realized that there's very few beers in those styles which absolutely blow me away, and that I'm quite happy with my own creations, and therefore don't need to spend my money on the big BA stouts. I'm not buying less beer, per se, just trading and buying in more cellarable styles. I (and my waistline) don't particularly enjoy busting out 11% bombers on the daily, so the stock accumulates. That lets me sit on things for a while, and treat myself to a big beer on a Friday or Saturday night when the baby's gone to bed and I'm relaxing after a long day. At this rate, I'm probably buying 3-4 age-able beers for every one I drink. Also helps that my wife is a wine person, I don't have a bunch of beer drinking friends in our circles, and my stuff doesn't get raided...I imagine I'd be working through some of those bigger beers a bit more frequently if I was splitting them with family or friends.
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i know somebody said so in the thread, but while trying to determine if DC Brau's On the Wings of Armaggedon would be available in cans, i found this bit of genius on BA: "Canned on 5-1-13, and this beer is up there with other Imperial IPA's and even DIPA's..."
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Sipping a DFH 120 Minute. It definitely seems like the hype/ratings are driven more by the availability at the specter of the high ABV. Very sweet and very solvent-like nose. I really don't feel that this compares all that well to less extreme strong ales or DIPAs. And it's loving expensive. WWS is better, as an extreme ABV beer, in my opinion.
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funkybottoms posted:i know somebody said so in the thread, but while trying to determine if DC Brau's On the Wings of Armaggedon would be available in cans, i found this bit of genius on BA: But what about DIIPAs?
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HatfulOfHollow posted:I have a lot of disposable income. And I buy a good amount of beer. So I'm not knocking people's ability to afford expensive tastes. I'm right there with them. However, I just feel like this is excessive... Almost all the multiples seem to be of the most common varieties though, I really don't think that cellar is too excessive.
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May 7, 2013 00:32
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FreelanceSocialist posted:To me, their only "bad" beer is Tweasonale. Festina and Sahtea are some of my favorite warm-weather beers. Has anyone had their Wit Spiced Rum? It's not beer, but I thought it was great. Their take on gin is interesting as well - it's hoppy. Their Brown Honey Rum is amazing, I think it's their best spirit by far. My favorite DFH is aged Fort. It's just amazing on a winter night.
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deadwing posted:Almost all the multiples seem to be of the most common varieties though, I really don't think that cellar is too excessive. Yeah, I was going to say, having only 1 or 2 of almost everything doesn't seem like hoarding or a bad thing to me. He's also set up for some insane verticals.
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May 7, 2013 01:08
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danbanana posted:But what about DIIPAs? You mean QIPAs?
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In honor of The Naterob bulls win over the hated assholes in south beach, we opened a bottle of 2006 Avery the beast, 2010 world wide stout, and 2009 samichlaus... Haven't quite experienced beer in this way together. Like tasting scotch or a good port, glad we split the bottles 5 ways. The standout was the samichlaus, I had some new and it was a hot mess, this is a beer I would want to age 10 years.
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umop apisdn posted:In honor of The Naterob bulls win over the hated assholes in south beach, we opened a bottle of 2006 Avery the beast, 2010 world wide stout, and 2009 samichlaus... Haven't quite experienced beer in this way together. Like tasting scotch or a good port, glad we split the bottles 5 ways. The standout was the samichlaus, I had some new and it was a hot mess, this is a beer I would want to age 10 years. Sounds better than my experience (which was all Coors Light!!!!!!) but hopefully making up for it tomorrow with a bottle share for a friend's birthday. I shall update on what we try. I'll probably just bring some recent stuff like Simcoe Ninja, KBS2013 and Espresso RIS. If I can nab a growler of that new Sofie though...
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In its continuing quest to become the city that other cities talk about worryingly in hushed tones at parties when they think it isn't paying attention, Bend now has a beer delivery service.
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May 7, 2013 04:36
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FreelanceSocialist posted:Sipping a DFH 120 Minute. Very sweet and very solvent-like nose. The harsh, solvent-like smells and flavors are what really turn me off about 120 Minute. It smells like it could strip paint.
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That cellar didn't seem particularly crazy to me. It looks like he just buys one of each type every year or so. Anyone have suggestions for some real special/rare beers that I can work on tracking down to make the ultimate 6 pack? The highlights right now are KBS and DFH 120 but those are the only ones that stand out.
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umop apisdn posted:The standout was the samichlaus, I had some new and it was a hot mess, this is a beer I would want to age 10 years. I have yet to have a single taste of Samichlaus that wasn't hot, syrupy, vegetal and metallic, even on bottles aged up to five years. It's a disastrous cornucopia of off-flavors and I truly don't understand how people can drink it.
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Ubik posted:I have yet to have a single taste of Samichlaus that wasn't hot, syrupy, vegetal and metallic, even on bottles aged up to five years. It's a disastrous cornucopia of off-flavors and I truly don't understand how people can drink it. I'd agree unequivocally, but I have had a bottle from 1996 that was heavenly. So either it needs a LOT of age, or the recipe has changed over the years.
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cryme posted:I'd agree unequivocally, but I have had a bottle from 1996 that was heavenly. So either it needs a LOT of age, or the recipe has changed over the years. It looks like the original producer, Hürlimann, closed in 1997, so Schloss Eggenberg isn't the original brewery. The recipe likely changed, but even if it didn't, the differences between breweries can really add up even if they're minor. In any case, no matter how good a beer is after 5+ years of aging, if it's undrinkable fresh then I don't consider it a good beer. There are plenty of imperial stouts, barleywines and other high-alcohol beers that are good or excellent the moment they hit shelves, and brewers should aim to get the beer to the consumer in a drinkable state.
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Back to the topic of trademark infringement, it seems pretty obvious that Pipeworks is in the wrong there, right? Whenever we name a new beer we like to do a search for the name on RateBeer first. Not only to look for potential trademark issues, but also just so we aren't some unoriginal bastards.
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Ubik posted:In any case, no matter how good a beer is after 5+ years of aging, if it's undrinkable fresh then I don't consider it a good beer. There are plenty of imperial stouts, barleywines and other high-alcohol beers that are good or excellent the moment they hit shelves, and brewers should aim to get the beer to the consumer in a drinkable state. I feel similarly about the "fresh" IPA thing. I have very much loved the most recent batch of Enjoy By and absolutely followed the directions. But outside of that gimmick-ish type of release, you shouldn't hide your inability to make a good IPA by saying "you have to drink it fresh." If I have a stupid-small time limit to drink a beer then you didn't brew a great beer and my opinion of it shouldn't be influenced by the bottling date on the side. I understand that not much of that style holds up after 6 months but at 2 it should still be great. Therefore: Two Hearted FTW.
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XxGirlKisserxX posted:Back to the topic of trademark infringement, it seems pretty obvious that Pipeworks is in the wrong there, right? I don't know about "wrong" but as you point out, definitely could have avoided this with some basic common sense. I can't remember if Tyranena distributes Scurvy to Illinois but it's all over Wisconsin in the summer. It's not like this is a nanobrewery or something.
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danbanana posted:I don't know about "wrong" but as you point out, definitely could have avoided this with some basic common sense. I can't remember if Tyranena distributes Scurvy to Illinois but it's all over Wisconsin in the summer. It's not like this is a nanobrewery or something. no, i think "wrong" is correct. i mean, it would be a mild dick move if they were on opposite coasts, but Tyranena distributes to Illinois. i would like to think breweries could work this sort of thing out without resorting to litigation, but i can't really blame Tyranena for getting pissed. also, like GirlKisser said, it's really simple to figure out if a name has been used before, so there's not much of an excuse. i help my friends who have a brewery-in-planning and often find out that some dumb name i've come up with is not as original as i thought (Wizard of Saaz, Tett Offensive, etc). VVV "wrong" implies being incorrect, but i'm not gonna argue about semantics here (again) funkybottoms fucked around with this message at 14:43 on May 7, 2013 |
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funkybottoms posted:no, i think "wrong" is correct. Wrong implies intent, like they were purposefully trying to infringe or something. This is just ineptitude...
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Ubik posted:I have yet to have a single taste of Samichlaus that wasn't hot, syrupy, vegetal and metallic, even on bottles aged up to five years. It's a disastrous cornucopia of off-flavors and I truly don't understand how people can drink it. Well, it's certainly not something I would sit down and drink an entire bottle of, which I guess could be a knock against it. This bottle was split amongst 5 people, which was pretty much perfect. You don't necessarily need to drink pint after pint of something to enjoy it.
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umop apisdn posted:Well, it's certainly not something I would sit down and drink an entire bottle of, which I guess could be a knock against it. This bottle was split amongst 5 people, which was pretty much perfect. You don't necessarily need to drink pint after pint of something to enjoy it. If somebody had a bottle from the original brewery, I'd definitely give it a shot. But after several unpleasant experiences, I refuse to drink so much as a sip of anything brewed by Schloss Eggenberg. Seriously, every experience I've had with Samichlaus and Eggenberg's other beers has been not just subpar but actively loving disgusting. And danbanana, I fully agree on the "DRINK IT FRESH" hysteria being not only melodramatic but distracting from unskilled brewing or packaging. Hoppy beers are obviously best consumed fresh, but if the beer can't sit on the shelf for so much as a week before totally falling off, then something needs to be fixed! RocketMermaid fucked around with this message at 15:56 on May 7, 2013 |
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Ubik posted:And danbanana, I fully agree on the "DRINK IT FRESH" hysteria being not only melodramatic but distracting from unskilled brewing or packaging. Hoppy beers are obviously best consumed fresh, but if the beer can't sit on the shelf for so much as a week before totally falling off, then something needs to be fixed! It's surely a bit of marketing, but I've got to say that Enjoy By is ridiculously delicious. I have no doubt it would survive just fine beyond its date, and encouraging people to drink it as fresh as possible is not a bad move.
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LeeMajors posted:It's surely a bit of marketing, but I've got to say that Enjoy By is ridiculously delicious. I have no doubt it would survive just fine beyond its date, and encouraging people to drink it as fresh as possible is not a bad move. It is a very good beer, and I agree on the part marketing portion but I also think they're trying to keep the supply low enough that the product will be able to turn over quickly. One of the big problems I'm seeing is that it's not just that stores have old product: They have old product that they aren't willing to discount to make it move. I don't want to buy 10 month old Racer 5 when I can pick up an Enjoy By or Two Hearted (which *does* turn over quickly) at roughly the same (or cheaper) price. It's this terrible feedback loop because people who know better won't buy it, and the random unsuspecting customer who doesn't know better buys this old product and thinks it sucks (and thus won't buy it again). It's frustrating because I see retailers discounting perfectly ageable "seasonal" beers (Goose Island Christmas as one example) but they don't do the same thing for IPAs approaching their end-of-life; stuff they need to move otherwise it won't ever move.
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I see that a lot, too. Can't seem to get it through to them that the 10-month old IPA isn't going to move because it's priced out of the range of the drink-to-get-drunk college student crowd and it's too old to appeal to the drink-to-enjoy crowd who know what to look for.
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crazyfish posted:It's frustrating because I see retailers discounting perfectly ageable "seasonal" beers (Goose Island Christmas as one example) but they don't do the same thing for IPAs approaching their end-of-life; stuff they need to move otherwise it won't ever move. Seasonal beers can overlap SKUs so even a store manager is going to understand that something needs to move so they can get more product in. You need a beer dude and need to give him some power if the store would want to make sure it moves the stuff that gets worse as it gets old. All this talk of if it can't last 6 months its not a good beer. I figure its a bad beer if it can't be drank 6 weeks from packaging. But I am an rear end in a top hat who figures if the brewery can't be bothered to age it till its alright why should I have to spend the time and space. I guess I'm going off topic because I agree 2 month ipa should be fine if it isn't as good as it may have been its not worth crying over E. I should clarify before I am eaten alive for bottle refermented stuff done in house. How about 6 weeks after leaving the brewery in a final form. zedprime fucked around with this message at 17:34 on May 7, 2013 |
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zedprime posted:All this talk of if it can't last 6 months its not a good beer. I figure its a bad beer if it can't be drank 6 weeks from packaging. But I am an rear end in a top hat who figures if the brewery can't be bothered to age it till its alright why should I have to spend the time and space. That's part of what I was talking with Samichlaus: If it's not ready to drink once it leaves the brewery, why the gently caress should I buy it? Putting out something that's not ready to drink for a long time is just as bad as putting out something that won't last on the shelves for a reasonable length of time.
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zedprime posted:You need a beer dude and need to give him some power if the store would want to make sure it moves the stuff that gets worse as it gets old. This is what separates a good bottle shop from a liquor store that just happens to have a lot of beer. There's a store near me that has a really large selection and often gets limited things. But while it's nice to walk in and be surprised by what's on the shelf, their "beer guy" isn't exactly knowledgeable and as a result, weird things happen. He's keeping this year's Stone IRS in the back. Why, I asked? Because it's limited, he replied. As he said this, I was 2 feet from a case of Sucaba... In the bigger picture for the industry, this type of stuff causes issues. Like crazyfish said, if inventory management isn't handled well, you're going to be turning a lot of people off of perfectly fine beers. Without knowledgeable staff (or at least ONE), you're going to give incorrect information to people looking to expand their own knowledge/experience.
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So for you Chicagoans: http://gooseisland25.eventbrite.com/ The draft list is insane. 312 Urban Wheat Ale Honkers Ale IPA Matilda Green Line Summertime 25th Anniversary Ale Sofie Dark Traveler Gran Gas Golden Goddess 25th Anniversary Ale Bourbon County Stout Buffalo Trace Bourbon County Stout Tempelton Bourbon County Stout Speyside Bourbon County Stout Coffee Brazil Bourbon County Stout Coffee Columbia Bourbon County Stout Coffee Kenya Sofie Paradisi Bourbon County Stout Napa Boring Sour Pere Jacques Scully Dominique Bourbon County Stout Rare If they handle it like the 312 Block Party from September, this is going to be an amazing time. edit: When a draft list gets myself AND my wife excited (she's really big into coffee, especially Kenyan, and oddly enough really liked Gran Gas but hates 95% of beer), that's saying something. crazyfish fucked around with this message at 18:13 on May 7, 2013 |
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crazyfish posted:So for you Chicagoans: Yowza that looks pretty badass! I'm going to have to get tickets for that.
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crazyfish posted:Sour Pere Jacques If this is the one I'm thinking of, it's delicious but it's so searingly sour that it's pure liquid heartburn. Make sure you have a strong stomach! Dominique, aka sour Matilda, is supposed to be pretty spectacular, so see if you can grab that. Definitely going to be there myself - probably both pouring and drinking - and I'm excited for it. Being a brewer has its perks. 
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Yeah I just bought my tickets, that list looks awesome. Hopefully this will be at least a partial substitute for the other party that I missed out on.
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crazyfish posted:So for you Chicagoans: Awesome, thanks for the heads up!
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crazyfish posted:It is a very good beer, and I agree on the part marketing portion but I also think they're trying to keep the supply low enough that the product will be able to turn over quickly. One of the big problems I'm seeing is that it's not just that stores have old product: They have old product that they aren't willing to discount to make it move. I don't want to buy 10 month old Racer 5 when I can pick up an Enjoy By or Two Hearted (which *does* turn over quickly) at roughly the same (or cheaper) price. It's this terrible feedback loop because people who know better won't buy it, and the random unsuspecting customer who doesn't know better buys this old product and thinks it sucks (and thus won't buy it again). I agree 100% that stores don't do enough to move products meant to be consumed fresh, but you run into a few problems if you do. The first is figuring out how to differentiate the old product from the new when ringing them up for the discount. You could print out new SKUs to place over old ones, but that is susceptible to people switching the stickers onto a fresh beer. The same could be done with putting a red sticker on them to indicate X% off. You could keep them up-front and require customers to grab from there and immediately pay, but then you get a lot of congestion near the registers as well as it being hard to track on busy days. Those are the only solutions I've been able to think of anyway. I would love to hear one though. There's also the problem of breweries not dating their poo poo. That is getting old fast Bear Republic and the others who don't.
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Midorka posted:I agree 100% that stores don't do enough to move products meant to be consumed fresh, but you run into a few problems if you do. The first is figuring out how to differentiate the old product from the new when ringing them up for the discount. You could print out new SKUs to place over old ones, but that is susceptible to people switching the stickers onto a fresh beer. The same could be done with putting a red sticker on them to indicate X% off. You could keep them up-front and require customers to grab from there and immediately pay, but then you get a lot of congestion near the registers as well as it being hard to track on busy days. Those are the only solutions I've been able to think of anyway. I would love to hear one though. Bear Republic does, believe it or not. Check near the base of the bottle. They print two date codes and one of them is the bottle date. Of course, they print it upside down to be more obtuse about it.
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Ubik posted:Dominique, aka sour Matilda, is supposed to be pretty spectacular, so see if you can grab that. I can confirm this: it's fantastic and along with another shot at Napa Valley Stout and Rare (good luck!), it's the biggest reason for me to go. That it'll (hopefully) be a sunny spring Sunday in Chicago doesn't hurt, either.
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Ubik posted:If this is the one I'm thinking of, it's delicious but it's so searingly sour that it's pure liquid heartburn. Make sure you have a strong stomach! Dominique, aka sour Matilda, is supposed to be pretty spectacular, so see if you can grab that. Good to know. I think I *may* have had Dominique at the September event but not named as such. Also, you helped make Dark Traveler, correct? I've wanted to try it for a bit but haven't gotten around to finding it on draft yet. Napa County Stout is one of the big attractions for me as well (it was outstanding at DLD) but I'm really looking forward to this in general.
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