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It's funny. I've got a good insight into what drives most of the traitor primarchs, excepting maybe Mortarion ( probably because nobody knows how to write him and his legion without writing gross-out pus-porn. Chris Wraight had a good take in 'Blood of Asaheim' where they were kind of bored immortal invincible chill dudes, which I liked). But I honestly couldn't tell you what motivates some of the loyalist ones, although the Lion being autistic as hell when it comes to anything outside of battle is amusing and appropriate. Also Malcador needs a novel from his perspective. He's probably my favorite character that hasn't gotten a full novel yet. He's hugely psychically powerful, and I want to see him kick some Space Marine rear end with MIND BULLETS. I bet 'The Master of Mankind' will scratch this itch well enough. I get that the Scars aren't really popular enough to sell their own novel, but it would be nice if somebody would make the attempt to popularize them. The Mongols were loving awesome.
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May 7, 2013 14:05
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VanSandman posted:It's funny. I've got a good insight into what drives most of the traitor primarchs, excepting maybe Mortarion ( probably because nobody knows how to write him and his legion without writing gross-out pus-porn. Chris Wraight had a good take in 'Blood of Asaheim' where they were kind of bored immortal invincible chill dudes, which I liked). VanSandman posted:But I honestly couldn't tell you what motivates some of the loyalist ones
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May 7, 2013 15:25
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VanSandman posted:But I honestly couldn't tell you what motivates some of the loyalist ones, although the Lion being autistic as hell when it comes to anything outside of battle is amusing and appropriate. Lorgar has a great bit in Betrayer as he explains to others why Sanguinius would never turn traitor. The book itself is an interesting study on how some Primarchs fell thanks to their virtues, and others remained loyal not due to their strengths but because of their weaknesses.
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May 7, 2013 15:52
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Some of the more hardcore honour  Primarchs were Ferrus Manus, Roboute Gulliman and Rogal Dorn. I don't perceive them as having inherent weaknesses that made them loyal. Rather they believed in the Emperor's vision and in Gullimans case he was doing the best job creating a stable society. Even in the 40k era the worlds of Ultramar are the model of Imperial rule and efficiency.
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May 7, 2013 21:44
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So are they doing reprints of popular Black Library novels now? Just ordered Blood Reaver by ADB from my favourite SF/F-book store after it's been unavailable for the last couple of months.
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May 8, 2013 13:56
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Finished Path of the Incubus. Worse than its predecessor. I don't recommend the Dark Eldar series, it has some good ideas (showing how the fractured Eldar race needs each other regardless of whether they're Commorite, Craftworld, or Exodite), but the prose is mediocre. That, and I had no characters to really root for.
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May 9, 2013 02:18
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double post (this is what I get for trying to post at work with the forum images blocked)
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May 9, 2013 02:19
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Schneider Heim posted:Finished Path of the Incubus. Worse than its predecessor. I don't recommend the Dark Eldar series, it has some good ideas (showing how the fractured Eldar race needs each other regardless of whether they're Commorite, Craftworld, or Exodite), but the prose is mediocre. I'm sorry to hear that. Dark Eldar could be fodder for so much disturbing fun sci-fi, but are criminally under-used. Path of the Renegade was lame and pointless, and I was hoping Incubus would do a better job, as they are a better observer/outsider to the society, what with having some honor and being focused on kicking rear end.
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May 9, 2013 16:45
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Cardiac posted:So are they doing reprints of popular Black Library novels now? The Night Lords trilogy is coming out in an omnibus edition and thus the individual paperbacks are no longer shipping to stores. For a while there, copies were going for $20-40 on Amazon. Not sure if that is still the case.
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May 9, 2013 17:12
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Sephyr posted:I'm sorry to hear that. Dark Eldar could be fodder for so much disturbing fun sci-fi, but are criminally under-used. Path of the Renegade was lame and pointless, and I was hoping Incubus would do a better job, as they are a better observer/outsider to the society, what with having some honor and being focused on kicking rear end. I enjoyed it, it's better than most BL output by a long way.
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May 9, 2013 17:48
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Stupid 40k literature making me want to dust my guard army.
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May 9, 2013 17:50
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Schneider Heim posted:Finished Path of the Incubus. Worse than its predecessor. I don't recommend the Dark Eldar series, it has some good ideas (showing how the fractured Eldar race needs each other regardless of whether they're Commorite, Craftworld, or Exodite), but the prose is mediocre. I think I have to agree with your general sentiment. I wanted to like Path of the Renegade, but could never really get into it. I was excited to read it when I saw it was written by Andy Chambers but it just wasn't that great. Dark Eldar weren't as interesting as I thought they'd be. I can kind of see what the author was trying to accomplish; it just didn't come across as well as it should have. I just finished Ahriman: Exile and it was pretty good.  I really liked it overall, but I feel the resolution was a bit too quick. Though that's a common problem in 40k books. And (dumb spoiler) The reveal at the end with Maroth and the chained demon wasn't really needed.
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May 10, 2013 07:45
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Demiurge4 posted:Some of the more hardcore honour Someone like Dorn or Ferrus Manus seems to blindly follow the Emperor out of stubborn loyalty and did not understand or care for the Emperor's ultimate vision and plans for humanity. I think out of all the Primarchs, only Guilliman and perhaps Russ were aware of what the future empire was suppose to look like and readily accepted their place within it. The Ultramarines would have eventually become the rulers and advisors of the new world while I assume the Space Wolves were comfortable with their role in ensuring that the empire was compliant to the Emperor.
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May 10, 2013 08:44
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So I just picked up Hammer and Bolter v1, what are some of the better stories? I already know anything by Abnett, ADB, and Wright will be good. So any others, I will end up reading all of them, but I'm looking to get a dose of good after some bad.
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May 10, 2013 08:49
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Finished Fear to Tread. Book started off good, very good even. It had my attention up to the last 30% but it started to attenuate when he started writing about daemons. He didn't get that quite right in my eyes. The end got drawn out and contained no real interesting plot twists to speak of. Erebus getting his loving face peeled of on the very last page was satisfying though. Overall I'd say its worth a read if you are either a blood angels fan or into the HH series. Moving up to Ahriman Exile now. Only a couple dozen pages in but liking it a lot already. The whole Ahriman - bitch this isn't even my final form - pretending to be a low life hiding among scum is really fun to read.
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May 10, 2013 09:14
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Theparker posted:So I just picked up Hammer and Bolter v1, what are some of the better stories? I already know anything by Abnett, ADB, and Wright will be good. So any others, I will end up reading all of them, but I'm looking to get a dose of good after some bad. The brettonian ones are pretty good, though the absolute best of the bunch is the HH Iron Warriors story. It's unremmitingly badass and led me to buying a small mk3 iron warrior breacher squad for my imperial fists. A good enough story to blow about 60 quid on a five man unit.
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May 10, 2013 10:41
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lenoon posted:The brettonian ones are pretty good, though the absolute best of the bunch is the HH Iron Warriors story. It's unremmitingly badass and led me to buying a small mk3 iron warrior breacher squad for my imperial fists. A good enough story to blow about 60 quid on a five man unit. Oh lord that scares me, at least I'm pretty sure the won't fit in my BA army.
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May 10, 2013 11:19
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Has anyone picked up Deathwatch, by Steve Parker? I really liked Gunheads, but thought that Rynn's World was merely readable so I'm on the fence. Unrelated: I really, really hope we have a Rob Sanders Alpha Legion book coming soon. Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 15:10 on May 10, 2013 |
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May 10, 2013 15:06
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Actually after starting the Iron Warrior HH one, I remembered reading it elsewhere, not sure where though, and it was just as badass the second time through! It's nice I forgot about the ending till I got to it, teleporting, and stealing the ship, after blowing up the fortress is just way too badass! Any other HH ones in the Hammer & Bolter?
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May 11, 2013 02:34
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I believe that The Last Remembrancer is there, with Dorn and Qruze as characters.
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May 11, 2013 03:06
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There's a couple of somewhat decent Tau stories in a row. Commander Shadow and the Arkunasha war. I really liked the long games at carcharias, as well.
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May 11, 2013 03:25
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Has anyone picked up Deathwatch, by Steve Parker? About 3/4 of the way through it now. It's basically the back-stories of the members of a particular Deathwatch squad that have popped up on and off in some of the fiction (Hammer & Bolter, maybe?). You find out about the training, and some of the history of characters like Ghost, Scholar, Prophet, Omni, etc. Xenos are involved, of course.
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What's up with Deathwatch anyway fluff-wise? I always thought the fluff said Deathwatch kill teams were called up on a pretty much as needed basis and then disbanded after not too long. But more often these days it seems like they stick around for a long time and do all sorts of crazy Xeno killing together. Is this a change in the fluff, or an evolution over time, or am I just flat out wrong?
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orphean posted:What's up with Deathwatch anyway fluff-wise? I always thought the fluff said Deathwatch kill teams were called up on a pretty much as needed basis and then disbanded after not too long. But more often these days it seems like they stick around for a long time and do all sorts of crazy Xeno killing together. I think Marines can get seconded to various Imperial organisations (from other Space Marine chapters to an Inquisitior's retinue) for certain periods of time and the Deathwatch is just one such group. There's times where they get sent to fulfil a mission but I always thought it was just a way of bringing other skill sets and experience into the chapter.
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orphean posted:What's up with Deathwatch anyway fluff-wise? I always thought the fluff said Deathwatch kill teams were called up on a pretty much as needed basis and then disbanded after not too long. But more often these days it seems like they stick around for a long time and do all sorts of crazy Xeno killing together. Marines are pulled for service in Deathwatch Kill Teams for a certain time period, but I don't think a length of time has ever been specified though. Judging by the length of time Marine campaigns and service periods run though, I would assume they are pulled for years, if not a decade or two. There is precedence in the modern military - in the Marines, you could get pulled out of your unit to go on FAP (lollerz) (Fleet Assistance Program) for an extended period of time to assist in a program, usually based on your particular skillset. If you scored well on marksmanship, you could go to the rifle range and be an instructor; if you were a good swimmer, you could go be a lifeguard.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Marines are pulled for service in Deathwatch Kill Teams for a certain time period, but I don't think a length of time has ever been specified though. Judging by the length of time Marine campaigns and service periods run though, I would assume they are pulled for years, if not a decade or two. There is precedence in the modern military - in the Marines, you could get pulled out of your unit to go on FAP (lollerz) (Fleet Assistance Program) for an extended period of time to assist in a program, usually based on your particular skillset. If you scored well on marksmanship, you could go to the rifle range and be an instructor; if you were a good swimmer, you could go be a lifeguard. Chris Wraight's 'Blood of Asaheim' features a dude returning to the Space Wolves after an extended period in the Death Watch. For a Space Marine, an 'extended period' is like 30 years.
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May 12, 2013 21:32
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VanSandman posted:Chris Wraight's 'Blood of Asaheim' features a dude returning to the Space Wolves after an extended period in the Death Watch. For a Space Marine, an 'extended period' is like 30 years. You generally get to bring some cool artifact back to your Chapter though as a thank you from the Inquisition. Smart Inquisitors keep their Space Marine allies sweet.
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May 12, 2013 21:36
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Of all the chapters, I least expected a Space Wolf to be a member of the Deathwatch.
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May 12, 2013 22:11
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Demiurge4 posted:Of all the chapters, I least expected a Space Wolf to be a member of the Deathwatch. Yeah, that was a bit of a plot point. Dude didn't come back as a proper Space Wolf.
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Shroud posted:About 3/4 of the way through it now. It's basically the back-stories of the members of a particular Deathwatch squad that have popped up on and off in some of the fiction (Hammer & Bolter, maybe?). You find out about the training, and some of the history of characters like Ghost, Scholar, Prophet, Omni, etc. Xenos are involved, of course. Is it good?
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May 13, 2013 02:09
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orphean posted:What's up with Deathwatch anyway fluff-wise? I always thought the fluff said Deathwatch kill teams were called up on a pretty much as needed basis and then disbanded after not too long. But more often these days it seems like they stick around for a long time and do all sorts of crazy Xeno killing together.
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May 13, 2013 02:42
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I'm about to finish 13th Legion (the one about the Penal legion). Assuming that I've read everything else on the recommended book list, are there any other decent things out there? Or should I wait for the next Abnett?
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orphean posted:What's up with Deathwatch anyway fluff-wise? I always thought the fluff said Deathwatch kill teams were called up on a pretty much as needed basis and then disbanded after not too long. But more often these days it seems like they stick around for a long time and do all sorts of crazy Xeno killing together. I've read that book, and it says that operating as a single killteam seconded to a single inquisitor for multiple missions is very unusual but the inquisitor in question has friends in high places and pulled a bunch of strings to have it done. As with everything else about the inquisition, in the end everything is informal and you can do whatever you want if you can get away with it (which works well for storytelling). Also, I think that book was intended as a tie-in for the Deathwatch RPG by FFG (much like the Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader branded books before), so it makes sense that it shows a single party that sticks together because that's how the game is usually played. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:13 on May 13, 2013 |
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May 13, 2013 03:10
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Is it good? It was ok. Seems to be the first in a series - there's a few plot lines that go unresolved, with clear hooks for later stories. Interestingly, one of them is that a demon claims to have made a bargain with the Exorcist marine (these are the guys whose training consists of being possessed and then throwing out the demon). There's also the ever-present inquisitorial plots within plots. If you've read the other novellas, from Bolter & Chainsword I think, you already know who's going to live (all of them), so there's almost no tension or suspense at all. In summary, it probably would have been better if it wasn't about that specific squad. It's kind of like eating at Subway, I guess. It's not bad, per se, but it's not going to leave you with fond memories of your time with it.
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I picked up a Blood Bowl book in the bargain bin and it's some nice, light reading. Makes me interested enough to check out the games. Tie-in fiction!
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After putting it off for absolutely no reason I can remember, I read Storm of Iron. Holy poo poo, Honsou may be the greatest BL-original character that there is. He really is everything a Chaos Space Marine should be. I need more of him. How much does he show up in the Ultramarines series?
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May 16, 2013 04:37
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I believe he appears by the third book, but he's not always present. I've never opened Courage and Honor (book 5) yet but it concerns the Tau so he probably isn't there. Have you read the Iron Warriors Omnibus? That has a whole lot of Honsou, and you don't need to endure the insufferable Ultramarines in their own series.
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So I started the Soul Drinkers series. Right at the start Ben Coulter introduces one of the most 40k things ever. Soul Drinkers listen to music in their drop pods, but not recordings. The pods have a choir of servitors that are just faces and vox units. How badly do you have to gently caress up for THAT to be your fate ? There are lots of references to criminals being repurposed as servitors, but very few references to anyone actually suffering that fate.
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mllaneza posted:So I started the Soul Drinkers series. Right at the start Ben Coulter introduces one of the most 40k things ever. Soul Drinkers listen to music in their drop pods, but not recordings. The pods have a choir of servitors that are just faces and vox units. How badly do you have to gently caress up for THAT to be your fate ? ...why is it I find it every so amusing to picture an entire wall of faces singing Bohemian Rhapsody as the assualt pod is dropped from orbit.
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