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ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Physical mirrors are pretty cheap at the Casino, IIRC. They're 50 coins a pop, I think.

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Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
OH poo poo. I assumed that if you were to be able to buy physical mirrors, they'd be in the pharmacy. Discovering that they weren't there lead me to believe that you couldn't buy them, which left me in despair. But now my day is made. Thanks.





Actually, real quick, I was just watching footage of Raido and Raidou fights, and the player had their demons with 999 health. How do you raise demons stats? I was under the impression that you couldn't use incenses on them.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

Snix posted:

Actually, real quick, I was just watching footage of Raido and Raidou fights, and the player had their demons with 999 health. How do you raise demons stats? I was under the impression that you couldn't use incenses on them.

You fuse them with Mitama-type demons, which are created by fusing together two Elemental demons. Elementals are created by fusing together two demons of the same race.

Kagon
Jan 25, 2005

You can't use incenses, but you can fuse mitamas to raise stats. There are four different kinds of mitamas: Nigi, Ara, Saki, and Kusi. Each mitama will raise two stats when fused.

Nigi: Agility and Int, Ara: Strength and Endurance, Saki: Hp and Luck, and Kusi: Mp and Magic.

You need to fuse at least two elementals together to create the mitamas. You create elementals by fusing two demons of the same family together. I may have sperged out trying to figure out the cheapest way to get them, so here's what I did to get each.

For Sylph, fusing two Yomas seemed to be the cheapest. Two fairies gives you Undine, and two Jirae gives you Gnome. Salamander is the last elemental, and the cheapest I could find was fusing two Avatars, making it really fairly expensive.

So for fusing the different Mitamas, the best path is:

Nigi: Undine + Gnome
Ara: Undine + Salamander
Saki: Undine + Sylph + Salamander
Kusi: Undine + Sylph + Gnome

I did this to max out Metatron and a few other demons' stats to make them significantly more powerful.

Edit: These costs are cheapest assuming you're using the lowest ranked demons from each family. You can rank down demons by fusing a family with one of the elementals (which one leads to rank down versus rank up depends on the demon's family). If you don't have the lowest ones from each family, I'd do that first or try to recruit them from the areas they spawn in.

Kagon fucked around with this message at 05:07 on May 11, 2013

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


In other SMT4 related news, Charon revives you when you die because he's :effort:, as also shown by this article.

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Snix posted:

Holy poo poo, the Devil Summoner MC is a ginormous jump in difficulty from the other EX bosses in Soul Hackers, which should be expected. Then again, the other bosses better be piss easy if you have to fight them all again everyone time you leave and come back. With the said, I should probably grind more. I figured I'd fight the bosses with the time stones again, but I'm once again stuck on King Frost. MC and Nemissa have an AG at 20, but that doesn't stop his suicide attack. I would just use a physical mirror like last time, but I don't have any physical mirrors. My demon with tetrakarn has an AG of 16, with doesn't beat out the boss's, and I can't just keep using Heaven's Judgment or whatever from Metatron or Vishnu because the boss's suicide attack beats out their AG. Do I have to just grind with finder's keepers until I get a physical mirror, do I have to hide the MC behind everyone and hope he isn't slaughtered, or what?

I believe you can get physical mirrors from the casino. Once you master Vs. Poker, you can buy up almost all the lower-coin prizes with no problem.

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
Thanks for the mitama information earlier. Sorry for being so needy, but I have another question: where's the Masakado Helm in Soul Hackers. That's the only piece of the Masakado set I'm missing.


Edit: I was able to defeat The Devil Summoner MC and Radio's demons, however, the Radiou double-team overwhelmed me. Raidou speaks, help, I'm fangasming so hard right now.

Snix fucked around with this message at 00:15 on May 12, 2013

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022
Apparently this is the best unisex armor in Soul Hackers:

a crisp refreshing Moxie
May 2, 2007


Strange Quark posted:

Apparently this is the best unisex armor in Soul Hackers:



Oh hey, I didn't know Soul Hackers was the original inspiration for Neku's stat-driven transvestism in TWEWY. :v:

MechaX
Nov 19, 2011

"Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"
Outside of hoping that Last Resort just misses the MC, your only options are to grind (for either higher Agi or enough cash to get Physical Mirrors), or fuse a demon that's fast enough to out-speed it (Kartikeya or using Mitama fusions on the demon you already have to boost agi).

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


Strange Quark posted:

Apparently this is the best unisex armor in Soul Hackers:



That looks kinda uncomfortable. How are you supposed to wear anything on top with those wings? :catstare:

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine

Booky posted:

So, has anyone seen STEVEN's new art yet? Because it looks great. :allears: (And the new video too!)



I wonder what new upgrades he'll be giving to the COMP besides increasing the stock?

Dissapointed that he looks less like Hawking than the original.

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"

MechaX posted:

Outside of hoping that Last Resort just misses the MC, your only options are to grind (for either higher Agi or enough cash to get Physical Mirrors), or fuse a demon that's fast enough to out-speed it (Kartikeya or using Mitama fusions on the demon you already have to boost agi).
It's fine, I already got him. Now I'm on the Raido and Raidou battle, however, there's nothing in particular about that fight I'm needing help with, I'm just not quite strong enough for it. I may be burned out on Soul Hackers now anyway.

If I decide to not go back into Soul Hackers for the time being, I may finally go and beat Devil Survivor Overclocked or Nocturne, or try the first SMT.

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
After a good chunk of inner turmoil (mostly reserved to keeping myself away from playing Strange Journey again :suicide:), I think I'm going to go into SMT4 blind. I kinda want to feel the same sense of dread that I had when I first dived into this series.

Break it to me, fellows: How are you preparing for the time when IV comes into the fold?

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


Wark Say posted:

After a good chunk of inner turmoil (mostly reserved to keeping myself away from playing Strange Journey again :suicide:), I think I'm going to go into SMT4 blind. I kinda want to feel the same sense of dread that I had when I first dived into this series.

Break it to me, fellows: How are you preparing for the time when IV comes into the fold?

Well, I've been playing SMT2 to prepare myself (oh boy changing alignments :shepicide:), and I guess I'll play Soul Hackers once I get a 3DS or something?

MarsDragon
Apr 27, 2010

"You've all learned something very important here: there are things in this world you just can't change!"

Booky posted:

That looks kinda uncomfortable. How are you supposed to wear anything on top with those wings? :catstare:

It's a video game. YOU DON'T.

Such is the price for liking nerd things.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

MarsDragon posted:

It's a video game. YOU DON'T.

Such is the price for liking nerd things.

What if I want to cosplay.

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


TurnipFritter posted:

What if I want to cosplay.

You wear it on top of the cosplay, of course! :v:

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


What's Metatron's item, dare I ask?

That bra is absolutely hilarious and is quite an inspiration to my girlfriend, who busted out laughing.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

Tallgeese posted:

What's Metatron's item, dare I ask?

That bra is absolutely hilarious and is quite an inspiration to my girlfriend, who busted out laughing.

Metatron doesn't have an item because his personality is "Calm" rather than "Sly."

Strange Quark
Oct 15, 2012

I Failed At Anime 2022

Booky posted:

That looks kinda uncomfortable. How are you supposed to wear anything on top with those wings? :catstare:



Aha, the fanart's even better.

Thuryl
Mar 14, 2007

My postillion has been struck by lightning.

Snix posted:

Thanks for the mitama information earlier. Sorry for being so needy, but I have another question: where's the Masakado Helm in Soul Hackers. That's the only piece of the Masakado set I'm missing.

It's in the final dungeon of the main game. Somewhere in the teleporter maze, I think.

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


Strange Quark posted:



Aha, the fanart's even better.

Wouldn't the wings get in the way, though?

That fanart's so great. :allears:

Actually, the artist has some other really good art, like this:

The Machine
Dec 15, 2004
Rage Against / Welcome to
So I'm kinda just getting into this series... I'm playing through Overclocked on my 3DS and a translated SMT1 ROM via ZSNES, and oh boy these games are weird. In SMT I fused my dog with a gnome-looking demon and got an uber demon dog named Cerberus, bribed a winged demon guy with money and demon money to join me, acted like a pussy to get a goblin to join me, and threatened an ostrich demon who gave me ¥500 and ran off.

I'm preordering SMTIV when I get my next paycheck for sure.

Thuryl
Mar 14, 2007

My postillion has been struck by lightning.

The Machine posted:

So I'm kinda just getting into this series... I'm playing through Overclocked on my 3DS and a translated SMT1 ROM via ZSNES, and oh boy these games are weird. In SMT I fused my dog with a gnome-looking demon and got an uber demon dog named Cerberus, bribed a winged demon guy with money and demon money to join me, acted like a pussy to get a goblin to join me, and threatened an ostrich demon who gave me ¥500 and ran off.

Yeah, that'll happen. Make sure you're using the bugfixed version of the SMT1 patch: the first version has major bugs that make one of the three ending routes unfinishable.

El Belmondo
Apr 3, 2011

by XyloJW

The Machine posted:

So I'm kinda just getting into this series... I'm playing through Overclocked on my 3DS and a translated SMT1 ROM via ZSNES, and oh boy these games are weird. In SMT I fused my dog with a gnome-looking demon and got an uber demon dog named Cerberus, bribed a winged demon guy with money and demon money to join me, acted like a pussy to get a goblin to join me, and threatened an ostrich demon who gave me ¥500 and ran off.

I'm preordering SMTIV when I get my next paycheck for sure.

Use SNES9X, ZNES has compatibility issues with SMT1.

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


The Machine posted:

So I'm kinda just getting into this series... I'm playing through Overclocked on my 3DS and a translated SMT1 ROM via ZSNES, and oh boy these games are weird. In SMT I fused my dog with a gnome-looking demon and got an uber demon dog named Cerberus, bribed a winged demon guy with money and demon money to join me, acted like a pussy to get a goblin to join me, and threatened an ostrich demon who gave me ¥500 and ran off.

I'm preordering SMTIV when I get my next paycheck for sure.

What are you going to focus on in stats? I heard having a high INT helps with negotiation.

The Machine
Dec 15, 2004
Rage Against / Welcome to
Thanks for the help, using the patch with SNES9x cleared up some of the stupid text issues I was having. Of course, now I have to start over but I wasn't too far into it anyway.

Booky posted:

What are you going to focus on in stats? I heard having a high INT helps with negotiation.

Actually, I was afraid of loving that part up so I looked up a FAQ to see where I should put my points. It did recommend some points for INT so I'll keep that in mind!

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

The Machine posted:

Thanks for the help, using the patch with SNES9x cleared up some of the stupid text issues I was having. Of course, now I have to start over but I wasn't too far into it anyway.
I haven't played my emulators in forever but I'm pretty sure you can make a manual save in one emulator and re-use it in a different emulator. By manual save I mean using the in-game save. Just make sure to copy the save file over too if you want to move everything over (it should be a .srm file, if my memory isn't failing me).

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


The Machine posted:

Thanks for the help, using the patch with SNES9x cleared up some of the stupid text issues I was having. Of course, now I have to start over but I wasn't too far into it anyway.

Actually, I was afraid of loving that part up so I looked up a FAQ to see where I should put my points. It did recommend some points for INT so I'll keep that in mind!

Also, apparently the Chaos Hero doesn't have good spells so you probably shouldn't give him too much MAG I think? What are generally considered game breakers in SMT1 anyways?

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
10,000 POSTS ON TALKING TIME

Booky posted:

Also, apparently the Chaos Hero doesn't have good spells so you probably shouldn't give him too much MAG I think? What are generally considered game breakers in SMT1 anyways?

Charm Bullets.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER
Is it just the English patched SMT that has problems with ZSNES, or does the Japanese ROM need SNES9X too?

Genpei Turtle
Jul 20, 2007

Cool Ghost posted:

Is it just the English patched SMT that has problems with ZSNES, or does the Japanese ROM need SNES9X too?

ZSNES has compatibility problems in general so you're better off with another emulator.

If you can read Japanese I'd skip the English patch altogether and play version 1.1 of SMT1. Or the PSX/GBA version for that matter. Version 1.0 was plagued with horrible game-breaking bugs even in the Japanese version, and that's the one that the English patch works on. Some of the complaints about the English patch actually come from that--they're not the fault of the patch per se but problems that were in the initial game.

Cool Ghost
Apr 13, 2012

MORE YOU SWEAT、
LESS YOU BLEED。
MORE YOU WEEP、
LESS GAME OVERS。
...OVER

Genpei Turtle posted:

ZSNES has compatibility problems in general so you're better off with another emulator.

If you can read Japanese I'd skip the English patch altogether and play version 1.1 of SMT1. Or the PSX/GBA version for that matter. Version 1.0 was plagued with horrible game-breaking bugs even in the Japanese version, and that's the one that the English patch works on. Some of the complaints about the English patch actually come from that--they're not the fault of the patch per se but problems that were in the initial game.

I'll keep all that in mind, thanks.

Snix
Aug 31, 2012

After the war of great troll, he only stands. He now returns to the legendary city to seek revenge on the death of his village. Episode 1: "Legendary School Girl Bubble Gum! Will Senpai Notice Me!?"
Is there anyway to gently caress up getting the True Demon Ending in Nocturne? Like, can I miss a fiend battle and screw myself over?

MechaX
Nov 19, 2011

"Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"
If I recall correctly, the only way to screw up getting the True Demon ending is to tell old man Lucifer to shove off after beating the 5th Kalpa boss.

Edit: After looking at the guide again, you have to lock yourself into the True Demon ending before entering the final dungeon (that means taking the elevator down to the 5th Kalpa after the boss). There is no way to miss a fiend either. (Whoa, made this initial edit at the same time Genpei Turtle posted; basically, he's 100% correct)

MechaX fucked around with this message at 03:40 on May 13, 2013

Genpei Turtle
Jul 20, 2007

MechaX posted:

If I recall correctly, the only way to screw up getting the True Demon ending is to tell old man Lucifer to shove off after beating the 5th Kalpa boss.

Entering the last dungeon too early will do it too. If you haven't locked yourself into that ending by the time you enter it, you're not getting it.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

TurnipFritter posted:

Charm Bullets.

Yeah, charm bullets and a gun with as many shots as possible trivializes SMT1. I think bosses get taken out by them.

SMT2 isn't quite as broken by guns, but charm and later petrifying bullets still make it pretty easy.

Booky
Feb 21, 2013

Chill Bug


Tortolia posted:

Yeah, charm bullets and a gun with as many shots as possible trivializes SMT1. I think bosses get taken out by them.

SMT2 isn't quite as broken by guns, but charm and later petrifying bullets still make it pretty easy.

As a person playing SMT2, charm bullets + a multi-hit/all enemies gun is basically the most broken thing in the game (so far?). :allears:

I think starting with If... though, bullets became consumable items rather than infinite.

Booky fucked around with this message at 05:29 on May 13, 2013

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THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

So they remade Persona 3 twice, Persona 4 once, some of the DS games are getting 3DS ports... at this point it's pretty much impossible they'll do ports for the older PS2 games right? I wanna play Nocturne on PCSX2 but there are some weird glitches with that game specifically on it. Nothing gamebreaking I think, just graphical stuff looking wrong.

Edit: Also savestates make some of the cheaper deaths less annoying :v:

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