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Looking at objective c's syntax and it looks pretty weird compared to java / c++. Is there a good book or website to learn objective c ,or would i be better off making little dumb programs on my own and use the official documentation?
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May 11, 2013 16:24
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ive realized im slowly turning crazy hipster irl and im scared sorry for serious posting
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May 11, 2013 16:32
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just get fat and youll be fine
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May 11, 2013 16:38
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yes, guy I know that's your 911 turbo cabriolet in the garage downstairs but do you really need to have a barrel gut, wear cargo pants, and a hawaiian shirt in February? I know you've an apparatchik by now but c'mon. OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:lol is this a joke, multiple file handling in vim is by far better if you make $70/hr on a W2 and still get to go home to ur catte really who gives a gently caress how you slap keyboard
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May 11, 2013 16:55
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Papes posted:Looking at objective c's syntax and it looks pretty weird compared to java / c++. Is there a good book or website to learn objective c ,or would i be better off making little dumb programs on my own and use the official documentation? it's not really that weird after about an hour. just read stephen kochan's programming in objective c book, as it's basically the bible for the language. it's not too hard to learn, the real difficulty is in getting used to using the cocoa framework as objc itself is completely useless without it.
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May 11, 2013 17:03
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so is programming like driving where the best consider themselves mediocre and the worst considered themselves good? or from reading this thread, the best consider themselves as complete maggot trash filth.
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May 11, 2013 17:03
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gucci void main posted:has anyone here used f# I don't know MS's business case for it. Finance, probably. Or in response to the people who want to use Scala but still want to be on MS's stack.
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May 11, 2013 17:03
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wide stance posted:so is programming like driving where the best consider themselves mediocre and the worst considered themselves good? or from reading this thread, the best consider themselves as complete maggot trash filth. TDD is The Way The Truth and The Light and all else is most shameful and also most gay
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May 11, 2013 17:06
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gucci void main posted:it's not really that weird after about an hour. just read stephen kochan's programming in objective c book, as it's basically the bible for the language. it's not too hard to learn, the real difficulty is in getting used to using the cocoa framework as objc itself is completely useless without it. this is probably the least offensive post sulk has made in months
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May 11, 2013 17:10
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Coffee Jones posted:TDD is The Way The Truth and The Light and all else is most shameful and also
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May 11, 2013 17:53
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OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:lol is this a joke, multiple file handling in vim is by far better
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May 11, 2013 19:19
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i made every client buy me a copy of <$70 text editor> to give to friends lol suckers
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May 11, 2013 19:20
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maybe i'm just lazy and dumb (okay, no "maybe" about it), but sublime does nice auto-complete without being obnoxious, and i don't know how to make (g)vim do that 
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May 11, 2013 19:34
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sublime's autocomplete is real good and i don't have assburrgers so im never gonna learn vim vs's autocomplete and intellisense is better tho sublime for plangs and scriptin, vs for proper programs
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May 11, 2013 19:35
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Mr SuperAwesome posted:sublime for plangs and scriptin, vs for proper programs the one true way
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May 11, 2013 19:39
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although sublime does annoy me at times. if you hit escape to make it stop suggesting an auto-complete, you have to hit escape _again_ in order to get out of edit mode, and i find myself not escaping often enough (thanks, reflexes) and winding up typing stupid poo poo without realizing it
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May 11, 2013 19:43
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OBAMA BIN LinkedIn posted:so that thing that sublime text does. sounds like what vim has been doing for 23 years. 
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May 11, 2013 20:47
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Papes posted:Looking at objective c's syntax and it looks pretty weird compared to java / c++. Is there a good book or website to learn objective c ,or would i be better off making little dumb programs on my own and use the official documentation? its not bad at all once you get used to seeing brackets everywhere. I actually like it more than straight C or whatever because it's not really any harder to read and its pretty clear what each arg is unless its some custom method that was written by a dumb dumb. if you just want like a super quick intro then http://rypress.com/tutorials/objective-c/index.html is pretty okay. stephen kochan's programming in objective c was mentioned and it's great. the big nerd ranch books are okay but i didn't really like them all that much. if you learn better by watching a teacher explain poo poo then go to itunes u and look up stanford's CS193P.
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May 11, 2013 22:53
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Martytoof posted:I actually like it more than straight C or whatever because it's not really any harder to read and its pretty clear what each arg is unless its some custom method that was written by a dumb dumb. i really miss the method arg syntax when i go back to java/c setupWidget(0, 0, NULL, 3.3, yourMom, 5, -1, this)
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May 11, 2013 23:07
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back when i "did" C# like 7 or 8 years ago i remember VS was pretty good about prompting what each arg did what if your method was properly documented. i think VS was one of those things that microsoft got right. took me a long time to warm up to xcode. probably because it was poo poo until a few years ago. Or maybe still is poo poo, i dunno. i mean they JUST now integrated the GUI builder into the actual Xcode app in the last major revision. after only what, 10+ years to think about it? even longer i guess. how long was projectbuilder around on nextstep. nobody said "hey this is a really dumb idea, launching a second app just to drag some widgets around", huh?
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May 11, 2013 23:25
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xcode has a (for the most part) fantastic static analyzer and even better code completion you can say that it's a verbose as gently caress language, but considering you use xcode for development, you really only have to ever type out part of the method/object name and then tab/type out the rest of the args and poo poo
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May 11, 2013 23:46
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sounds like ur fcuking lazy!
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May 11, 2013 23:58
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gucci void main posted:it's not really that weird after about an hour. just read stephen kochan's programming in objective c book, as it's basically the bible for the language. it's not too hard to learn, the real difficulty is in getting used to using the cocoa framework as objc itself is completely useless without it. whatever you do, dont use search in apples documentation, it will get you nowhere. and don't bother with NSTask
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May 12, 2013 00:40
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i don't really care if objc is verbose. I'd rather see a half sentence long method name with args interspersed than something like doAThing(a, e, i, o, u, y);
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May 12, 2013 00:51
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resharper says to do "var whatever" instead of "SomeConvolutedClassNameHere whatever". (http://resharper.blogspot.com/2008/03/varification-using-implicitly-typed.html) but when you do that, the autocomplete says "gently caress you, i'm not going to try to figure that poo poo out" 
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May 12, 2013 00:54
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prefect posted:resharper says to do "var whatever" instead of "SomeConvolutedClassNameHere whatever". (http://resharper.blogspot.com/2008/03/varification-using-implicitly-typed.html) but when you do that, the autocomplete says "gently caress you, i'm not going to try to figure that poo poo out" i kinda like var when the type name is ridiculously long but i turned that rule off in resharper so it would stop suggesting it
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May 12, 2013 00:57
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wide stance posted:so is programming like driving where the best consider themselves mediocre and the worst considered themselves good? or from reading this thread, the best consider themselves as complete maggot trash filth. what makes you think they arent complete maggot trash filth? me, i sure am
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May 12, 2013 01:06
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Martytoof posted:i don't really care if objc is verbose. I'd rather see a half sentence long method name with args interspersed than something like doAThing(a, e, i, o, u, y); the verbosity is fine for methods and etc but it would be nice if they had some easier syntax for doing things like allocating/initializing arrays/dictionaries/etc. it seriously takes 2 lines to make an empty goddamn mutable array
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May 12, 2013 01:20
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Cold on a Cob posted:i kinda like var when the type name is ridiculously long but i turned that rule off in resharper so it would stop suggesting it i'm writing babby's first c# program, so i don't have the confidence to turn anything off (although i fixed the indenting so it does proper k&r style) 
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May 12, 2013 01:22
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proper k&r style isn't proper c# style
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May 12, 2013 01:23
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prefect posted:although i fixed the indenting so it does proper k&r style *slaps u with rolled up newspaper*
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May 12, 2013 01:24
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chumpchous posted:the verbosity is fine for methods and etc but it would be nice if they had some easier syntax for doing things like allocating/initializing arrays/dictionaries/etc. it seriously takes 2 lines to make an empty goddamn mutable array ??? NSMutableArray *array = [NSMutableArray array]; or, if you aren't using ARC and want an owned object returned instead of an autoreleased one: NSMutableArray *array = [[NSMutableArray alloc] init];
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May 12, 2013 01:26
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nice racism fucko
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May 12, 2013 01:46
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Doc Block posted:??? and if you've got stuff to throw in there you can probably do arrayWithObjects too, so one line instead of 2+
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May 12, 2013 01:55
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:an IT major lol @ "majoring" in IT. Where did you go, ITT tech? U of Phoenix online? Edit: do you have microsoft certifications
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May 12, 2013 02:16
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all you need to be "successful" in IT is an overblown sense of self and general misanthropy
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May 12, 2013 02:33
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i might look into using GWT for interface of something im throwing together, good or bad idea?
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May 12, 2013 03:49
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gucci void main posted:it's not really that weird after about an hour. just read stephen kochan's programming in objective c book, as it's basically the bible for the language. it's not too hard to learn, the real difficulty is in getting used to using the cocoa framework as objc itself is completely useless without it. Martytoof posted:its not bad at all once you get used to seeing brackets everywhere. I actually like it more than straight C or whatever because it's not really any harder to read and its pretty clear what each arg is unless its some custom method that was written by a dumb dumb. Sweet, thanks. Now off to make the worlds most terrible app ™.
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May 12, 2013 04:06
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ur going to have some pretty stiff competition from me just signed my first app today 
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May 12, 2013 04:16
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prefect posted:resharper says to do "var whatever" instead of "SomeConvolutedClassNameHere whatever". (http://resharper.blogspot.com/2008/03/varification-using-implicitly-typed.html) but when you do that, the autocomplete says "gently caress you, i'm not going to try to figure that poo poo out" it works fine 99% of the time unless you're combining it with a load of LINQ queries and some other weird poo poo that i forgot that occasionally makes the compiler/VS get pissy but its rare also using var is "the c# way" its great tho it means you don't need to worry about types all the time which is neat. u do still need to worry about types like in any other language i guess but vs and c# make it rly pleasant
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