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Cockblocking Jerk posted:Alabama Alabama law posted:(a) A person commits incest if he marries or engages in sexual intercourse with a person he knows to be, either legitimately or illegitimately:
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May 10, 2013 21:24
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What? It's literally the armpit of the southern USA, I figured they wouldn't have that law on the books. They do conspicuously omit cousins, though.
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May 10, 2013 21:31
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You'd actually have to travel to Massachusetts for brother-sister marriage.
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May 10, 2013 21:33
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Nephilm posted:You'd actually have to travel to Massachusetts for brother-sister marriage. Good thing I've never been to either place. That is creepy and I will put it on my do not travel list. But yeah, why in the world would they do that to Chinami? She's gotta be like 14, 15 tops! Also, totally the protagonist's sister! Why why why why why  I don't know that I can do this VN knowing that waits ahead.
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May 10, 2013 21:38
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How did Rin keep Saber around in the UBW Good Ending, anyway? I know she says she made Saber into a familiar instead of a Heroic Spirit who had to rely on the Grail to stay in the world, but does it ever go into detail how that happened? In any case, I imagine mana transfers are a big part of it, since presumably she still has access to Excalibur.
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May 10, 2013 21:43
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Nephilm posted:You'd actually have to travel to Massachusetts for brother-sister marriage.
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May 10, 2013 21:45
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Cockblocking Jerk posted:Good thing I've never been to either place. That is creepy and I will put it on my do not travel list. But yeah, why in the world would they do that to Chinami? She's gotta be like 14, 15 tops! Also, totally the protagonist's sister! Why why why why why I'm sure the people there are nice. Also, it's mindless porn games so it's okay. Nate RFB posted:Motherfucking source, please. The link where silver got his: http://www.drabruzzi.com/selected_state_incest_laws.htm Can't speak for validity since I'm not american and don't care so I didn't put more effort into it. PS. marriage isn't probably legal, just doesn't fall under incest if that above is accurate. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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May 10, 2013 21:48
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Nephilm posted:You'd actually have to travel to Massachusetts for brother-sister marriage. Massachusetts law posted:Section 17. Persons within degrees of consanguinity within which marriages are prohibited or declared by law to be incestuous and void, who intermarry or have sexual intercourse with each other, or who engage in sexual activities with each other, including but not limited to, oral or anal intercourse, fellatio, cunnilingus, or other penetration of a part of a person’s body, or insertion of an object into the genital or anal opening of another person’s body, or the manual manipulation of the genitalia of another person’s body, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 20 years or in the house of correction for not more than 21/2 years. That's a rather circular-looking definition, so I'm not sure what it means in practice. OK, enough about that. Sylphid posted:How did Rin keep Saber around in the UBW Good Ending, anyway? I know she says she made Saber into a familiar instead of a Heroic Spirit who had to rely on the Grail to stay in the world, but does it ever go into detail how that happened? Presumably the same way Rider sticks around in HF True. I guess Heroic Spirits don't really need the Grail as long as they have an anchor and enough mana; the Grail probably helps, but it's only absolutely necessary to summon them in the first place and collect their spiritual bodies after they die.
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May 10, 2013 21:50
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But in HF true ending Rider says, without saying, that she is going out and drinking blood every night but that she just won't let Sakura feel bad about it by ever finding out. And Gilgamesh hung around ten years and all it took was an orphanage on life support.
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May 10, 2013 21:57
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Man, you know what's cool? Visual novels. I'm gonna start playing Fate/Stay Night tonight. I've got the flowchart so it shouldn't be too much trouble to see just about anything. Man, you know what isn't cool? Unironic discussions about incest.
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May 10, 2013 21:58
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Namtab posted:Man, you know what's cool? Visual novels. I'm gonna start playing Fate/Stay Night tonight. I've got the flowchart so it shouldn't be too much trouble to see just about anything. Fair enough. I should have dropped the subject sooner. Krinkle posted:But in HF true ending Rider says, without saying, that she is going out and drinking blood every night but that she just won't let Sakura feel bad about it by ever finding out. And Gilgamesh hung around ten years and all it took was an orphanage on life support. I thought Rider just nibbled on Ayako occasionally. Gil didn't even need mana to remain in the world, just to use his Noble Phantasms.
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May 10, 2013 22:07
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Silver2195 posted:Presumably the same way Rider sticks around in HF True. I guess Heroic Spirits don't really need the Grail as long as they have an anchor and enough mana; the Grail probably helps, but it's only absolutely necessary to summon them in the first place and collect their spiritual bodies after they die. Yeah, the game actually goes into detail on the mechanics of that IIRC. Here's the rough of it: - The Grail System burdens (most of) the cost of summoning and materialization, providing the vessel and starting servants topped off or thereabouts. - The Master provides an anchor to the modern age, as well as assisting in covering the energy necessities of the Servant. As materialization is covered by the Grail, this amounts to expenditures from moving and battle and mainly their Noble Phantasms. -- Servants can obtain energy through their own means, but most of it will likely come from the Master. - Mentioned before, the "anchor" Master's provide is the most important part of the process, as Servants are beings the World seeks to crush for being inconsistencies. It's why it's so costly for them to merely exist; as a result, Master-less Servants bleed off energy very quickly unless they possess the Independent Action skill. In normal circumstances, this skill appears to either lessen the materialization burden allowing them greater energy access while away from their Masters, compared to Servants without it, but I digress. Entire game spoilers: In the case of Gilgamesh, the Grail provided him a physical body so he didn't need energy to remain in this age, though he still used Kotomine to provide him for mana in order to use his Noble Phantasms (using the children in the church basement). In the case of Saber in UBW Good, Rin, being an exceptional magus, manages to keep her around though it's taxing to bear the cost all by herself. In the case of Rider in HF True, Sakura is left with virtually unlimited mana as a by-product of serving as the Grail, and is able to maintain Rider around without much difficulty. Krinkle posted:But in HF true ending Rider says, without saying, that she is going out and drinking blood every night but that she just won't let Sakura feel bad about it by ever finding out. And Gilgamesh hung around ten years and all it took was an orphanage on life support. She's an "evil" spirit and does it for kicks. She also really, really likes Ayako.
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May 10, 2013 22:10
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Silver2195 posted:
Why would Gilgamesh need an entire orphanage melded to the walls in an H.R. Giger nightmare for ten years if he wasn't using his phantasms during that entire time? He could have gotten a fresh orphanage a few weeks before they started if he didn't need those kids to exist during that time.
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May 10, 2013 22:11
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Fate/stay night is a pretty cool visual novel. I think you will enjoy such a pretty cool visual novel, Namtab.Krinkle posted:But in HF true ending Rider says, without saying, that she is going out and drinking blood every night but that she just won't let Sakura feel bad about it by ever finding out. And Gilgamesh hung around ten years and all it took was an orphanage on life support.
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May 10, 2013 22:12
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Krinkle posted:Why would Gilgamesh need an entire orphanage melded to the walls in an H.R. Giger nightmare for ten years if he wasn't using his phantasms during that entire time? He could have gotten a fresh orphanage a few weeks before they started if he didn't need those kids to exist during that time. He didn't need it, but he didn't refuse it. Energy is energy, and he could stock it up.
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May 10, 2013 22:15
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Krinkle posted:Why would Gilgamesh need an entire orphanage melded to the walls in an H.R. Giger nightmare for ten years if he wasn't using his phantasms during that entire time? He could have gotten a fresh orphanage a few weeks before they started if he didn't need those kids to exist during that time. Because shock value.
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May 10, 2013 22:19
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Nephilm posted:He didn't need it, but he didn't refuse it. Energy is energy, and he could stock it up. And Kotomine is not a great magus, so any additional bit of energy is a great advantage.
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May 10, 2013 22:20
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Nephilm posted:He didn't need it, but he didn't refuse it. Energy is energy, and he could stock it up. Plus he probably insisted on eating and drinking only stuff from Gate of Babylon, so he would have been using a Noble Phantasm three times a day.
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May 10, 2013 22:20
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Nate RFB posted:Fate/stay night is a pretty cool visual novel. I think you will enjoy such a pretty cool visual novel, Namtab. I just wanna join the club of cool people and post like a CIA press release
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May 10, 2013 22:26
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YggdrasilTM posted:And Kotomine is not a great magus, so any additional bit of energy is a great advantage. Silver2195 posted:Plus he probably insisted on eating and drinking only stuff from Gate of Babylon, so he would have been using a Noble Phantasm three times a day. Pfft, his Golden Rule means he could've easily acquired mana-charged crystals and such if he bothered. He's that broken.
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May 10, 2013 22:29
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Namtab posted:I just wanna join the club of cool people and post like a CIA press release Saber is Joan of Arc, the Matou family are all bug people from Grobulon V, and Berserker is the strongest Servant. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 10, 2013 22:29
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Hehe Chinami is cute, but she needs to GTFO with that weird talk, but then again, I think of the audience this is aimed at I'm spoiled from F/SN and basically how all sexual references in the story arcs could be removed with no loss whatsoever.
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May 10, 2013 22:38
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Remember that Kotomine was genuinely shocked that Gilgamesh showed up out of nowhere when Shirou talks to him about an 8th Servant in Fate. He definitely wouldn't want Gilgamesh using Noble Phantasms before he made his power play at the end of the 5th War. All Gilgamesh seems to be doing between the 4th War and 5th is hanging out in the Church and only going out when he has business, like talking to Sakura. I like how that encounter in the prologue is still weird even after you know who the blonde guy is. What could the great Gilgamesh possibly want with Sakura? Keep reading...
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May 10, 2013 22:49
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Nah, he probably travelled around, as that's something he likes to do. Kotomine himself wasn't permanently confined to the city, either. Also, Kotomine's goal is maximum suffering. If he just wanted to end things as soon as possible for Angry Mayo to be born, he could've probably talked Gil into ending the war right then and there as soon as all the servants were present.
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May 11, 2013 00:17
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Cockblocking Jerk posted:She's gotta be like 14, 15 tops! At least 16, since she's a first year student.
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May 11, 2013 01:20
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MagicalDuck posted:At least 16, since she's a first year student. Appearances/personality are everything, yeah, she's cute, but I would be considering telling her to get some therapy, she has a rather obvious crush on her brother, its a bit creepy tbh.
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May 11, 2013 01:41
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Ok after like what felt like forever I finally broke out of Rin's prologue and am ready to actually see the fate route that I already saw as an anime anyway.
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May 11, 2013 16:51
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I found it to be a very different experience, since you actually get to see Shirou's thought process (and delicious suffering) instead of just being a derp. The anime 'fights' don't do it justice either.
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May 11, 2013 18:07
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Nephilm posted:I found it to be a very different experience, since you actually get to see Shirou's thought process (and delicious suffering) instead of just being a derp. He's still a derp.
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May 11, 2013 18:13
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Namtab posted:Ok after like what felt like forever I finally broke out of Rin's prologue and am ready to actually see the fate route that I already saw as an anime anyway. When I first started reading F/SN, I basically knew nothing about it. I think I may have been able to recognize Saber, but that's about it. I was pretty disappointed when I finished the prologue, and found out that Rin isn't actually the protagonist.
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May 11, 2013 18:48
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I really wish Nasu would have had more of the story like the prologue, from another character's point of view directly rather than Shirou's, just to see how their mind works and how they see the world, without having to actually communicate with another character to do so. Even the intermissions were more of a "Fly on the wall" kind of perspective than actually the narration being inside a character's head.
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May 11, 2013 20:06
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unpronounceable posted:When I first started reading F/SN, I basically knew nothing about it. I think I may have been able to recognize Saber, but that's about it. I was pretty disappointed when I finished the prologue, and found out that Rin isn't actually the protagonist.
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May 12, 2013 18:53
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Fenrir posted:Wasn't that originally the plan? You're probably thinking of Ayaka, who wasn't actually much like Rin.
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May 12, 2013 18:57
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Originally the protagonist was a girl named Sajyou Ayaka, with a male Saber as her servant. Rin was the antagonist in that draft, or at least a draft.
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May 12, 2013 19:12
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Silver2195 posted:You're probably thinking of Ayaka, who wasn't actually much like Rin. Endorph posted:Originally the protagonist was a girl named Sajyou Ayaka, with a male Saber as her servant. Rin was the antagonist in that draft, or at least a draft. Why was this changed anyway?
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May 12, 2013 19:13
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The female protagonist thing? Nasu thought Saber's backstory worked better with her as a girl and he didn't want F/SN to be a yuri VN (as amazing as that would have been), and writing a female protagonist was slipping out of his comfort zone anyway, since he didn't really know how to get across the 'protag is attracted to saber' thing from a girl's point of view. That said the story clearly developed a lot once the swap to a male protagonist/Shirou happened, I doubt any of the female protag drafts read as just genderswapped F/SN. For one thing, Sakura and Ilya don't even seem to have existed in that draft, from what we know.
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May 12, 2013 19:17
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Endorph posted:The female protagonist thing? Nasu thought Saber's backstory worked better with her as a girl and he didn't want F/SN to be a yuri VN (as amazing as that would have been), and writing a female protagonist was slipping out of his comfort zone anyway, since he didn't really know how to get across the 'protag is attracted to saber' thing from a girl's point of view. We actually do get passages about Rin being in love with Saber, though. Manaka Sajyou is pretty similar to Ilya. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BzWfclTKEHmAVW5WZ3dzQlVWSlU/edit Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 19:30 on May 12, 2013 |
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May 12, 2013 19:28
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The reason I've heard for the main character gender switch was that Takeuchi thought a female protagonist wouldn't have as much appeal for the type of market Type-Moon was going for at the time. I certainly wouldn't doubt that writing a female protagonist wasn't something Nasu was too comfortable with, though. Also, although prototype probably didn't get too far, male Saber seems fairly plain compared to female Saber. The whole has to hide identity and basically her entire person for the sake of leading her country and doing what she feels she has to do doesn't seem to be a thing at all, at least from that translation of the notes on prototype. Although there's certainly hindsight bias playing into this, both changes were probably for the better.
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May 12, 2013 19:50
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Sylphid posted:The reason I've heard for the main character gender switch was that Takeuchi thought a female protagonist wouldn't have as much appeal for the type of market Type-Moon was going for at the time. Nasu has stated in interviews that part of the reason Fate belabors the "but you're a girl" point so much is because he was trying to separate her from the original male Saber in his own mind.
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Just started playing through Rewrite, and it's now my personal mission to make him jump into every goddamn lake no matter the situation. I might have pretty low standards for humor, but god drat this game is funny as hell in the most surreal ways. e: Kotarou is literally threatening to kill someone over the internet because they talked some poo poo. I really hope this turns into a PSA on the level of Muv Luv's "video games are bad" one, holy poo poo 
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