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WAFFLEHOUND posted:Can we stop strawmanning people who dislike RAM in the same breath as complaining talking about how other people sometimes have differing taste? somnambulist posted:Yes, you show those Daft Punk fans that like their album who's boss. Continue making fun of people I guess? I have no idea what you're getting at. People like popular things sometimes? It doesn't help you're exaggerating (who declared it the best album in the history of dance music? Good lord) Can we stop crying because someone thinks you have bad taste? Who cares if someone thinks you have garbage taste, similar to that of a mom, and they don't respect you for what you like? Just remember, you don't believe in any of that crap and you're gonna enjoy this new Daft Punk album regardless of what they say. So what if you can't engage the historical aspects of dance music, you still like the album, and that is ok. Not a big deal.
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Ras Het posted:True, but think of it this way: Dream Theater, Radiohead, Animal Collective or w/e fans tend to, like, understand something about their respective "scenes". Or is that too optimistic? Like those kids listen to indie, they read P4K, the progmetalheads love Opeth and Rush? It's part of a bigger continuum. But Daft Punk fans are in this bizarre bloghouse bubble where only things remixed by Fred Falke exist. Like in this thread you've got people going "I don't really know what disco is" and "house sucks", which is just loving absurd. My dad would have more to say about music to the Daft Punk dudes than most of their fans. So it comes across as wayyyy more cultish than with any other band (except that Emily whatshername but there's only like four of them). I get what you're saying but I think Daft Punk have a wider appeal than DT/Radiohead/AC. I think they're more comparable to a band like Metallica, who have a lot of casual fans that only really know Enter Sandman, and aren't really familiar with or interested in thrash metal, or metal in general at large. Hell, they might not even be interested in the rest of Metallica's discography. Metallica have a lot of fans that will blindly defend them whether they know much about the scene that they belong to, or arguably used to belong to or not. Of course the thread/internet at large is going to be flooded with reactionary opinions to begin with, and a lot of people will probably either warm to, or go off the album over the next few weeks. If the reactionary discussion is too infuriating, I'd wait a couple of weeks then jump to the end of the thread. People are going to be spouting strong opinions that others won't agree with, and come off to other people as misinformed for a while. I will admit, I know nothing about house/disco at large, but I don't think that prevents me from evaluating the album on it's own merits. (Although I haven't made any sweeping statements about how RAM fits into the genre at large, or any statements about how the rest of the genre sucks, so...) I find it kind of silly calling people out on their ill thought out praise or criticism of the album when it has only been widely available for 24 hours. I'm sure we'll all be able to have a more critical conversation about it in a week or so. Equally, I guess there are arguments to be made for "if you don't have anything constructive to say about the album yet, refrain from posting". For what it's worth, I am really enjoying it, despite the questionable pacing/length. e: Also, can we leave the "you think x so you must have bad taste" discourse to last.fm shoutboxes and youtube please?
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May 14, 2013 23:40
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I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people posting in a music forum to have some appreciation for the wider context in which an artist's work is situated rather than just posting "well I think it's great and gently caress anyone who says otherwise".
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I don't see why everyone's so up in arms over people really enjoying this album. I mean really who loving cares if someone doesn't know the tracklist DJ Nobody played at some club in Berlin in 1992 or whatever. The album has a good sound, and that's what's important. A lot of "dance" music doesn't even sound like anything, it's just a bunch of abrasive noise. This album has a real organic sound, it's a lot more...warm (?) than most of that other junk. All this talk about 'scenes' and whatever else is ridiculous-people like the album because it's good music. You don't have to be some super-elitist to listen to this album, you can just groove out and enjoy. And it's really ridiculous that people are mad about that.
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May 14, 2013 23:49
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Touch sounds like it could be in a musical.
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alansmithee posted:I don't see why everyone's so up in arms over people really enjoying this album. I mean really who loving cares if someone doesn't know the tracklist DJ Nobody played at some club in Berlin in 1992 or whatever. The album has a good sound, and that's what's important. A lot of "dance" music doesn't even sound like anything, it's just a bunch of abrasive noise. This album has a real organic sound, it's a lot more...warm (?) than most of that other junk. All this talk about 'scenes' and whatever else is ridiculous-people like the album because it's good music. You don't have to be some super-elitist to listen to this album, you can just groove out and enjoy. And it's really ridiculous that people are mad about that. This is an incredible amount of sweeping generalizations. You're right, you don't have to be a super elitist to enjoy something, but if someone wants to seriously discuss an album and its merits, listening to anything remotely like it shouldn't be homework, it should be something you do because you enjoy that kind of music, and it doesn't have to be extensive or anything approaching research or anything hyperbolic like you've made it out to be. e: Seriously, if you say that dance music is just noise, you haven't been listening to dance. All of those have at least 10,000 views, the first one is a Daft Punk tribute band everyone thought was Daft Punk, and are all some form of music in the dance family (Grimes is I guess is the closest to being on the edge). I'm not going to deny that folks like Skrillex have really pioneered obnoxiously loud, noisy EDM as the current figurehead for dance, this kind of stuff is not hard to find if you so much as glance at any sort of music site. And if you don't want to do that, that's okay - not everyone goes out of their way for their music, and that's a totally valid way of doing your thing. That being said, if that's a person's background and they're going to try to discuss what they're into when there are people who have a much wider scope for this kind of stuff, some statements might not hold up as well. Sorry if this seemed personal, as I certainly don't mean to scare people off from listening the music they love, but it's kind of like being on the panel for a graduate thesis defense on Moby Dick and going, "You know, you should read the Da Vinci Code if you haven't, I think your studies could take a lot from it" in complete sincerity. 
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May 14, 2013 23:55
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I think it's just the nature of the beast when you have such a monstrous presence who have a near monopoly on the true crossover hits from their scene. They aren't the same kind of fans that you're talking about with Dream Theater and Animal Collective, they're fans of gigantic hits who aren't interested or don't even know there's a scene behind it, they just received it as pop music. And I can't blame them, their singles are great songs and might be some of the catchiest music of our lives. I don't expect every fan of "More than words" to be an Extreme fan or know poo poo about guitar wizardry, but I bet you if they hit like that a couple times over a decade or two you'd have some super annoying fans of theirs as well. Many of which wouldn't give two shits about the rest of their catalog. Edit: Beaten...I think.....
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alansmithee posted:I don't see why everyone's so up in arms over people really enjoying this album. I mean really who loving cares if someone doesn't know the tracklist DJ Nobody played at some club in Berlin in 1992 or whatever. The album has a good sound, and that's what's important. A lot of "dance" music doesn't even sound like anything, it's just a bunch of abrasive noise. This album has a real organic sound, it's a lot more...warm (?) than most of that other junk. All this talk about 'scenes' and whatever else is ridiculous-people like the album because it's good music. You don't have to be some super-elitist to listen to this album, you can just groove out and enjoy. And it's really ridiculous that people are mad about that. But what I'm saying is RAM is a pretty straight up 70s revival with robots doing the vocals, and it's a pretty plain one at that.
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nomapple posted:I will admit, I know nothing about house/disco at large, but I don't think that prevents me from evaluating the album on it's own merits. There's nothing wrong with that, you party the way you party. You're allowed to like the album, it's pretty good. But I'll let you in on a secret: there's no "its own terms" for anything. If I release a triple album of the sounds of me loving your mum, it's going to be judged either on its merits as pornography or as modern classical, depending on the cover art. Context is all. So when arguably the most popular dance music artists in the world release a new record, you can be pretty loving sure that it's gonna be judged on its merits as Dance Music; and when people go "I love it when they sound like a rock band" or "these handclaps are really unique", it just totally stands out like a poo poo stain on a wedding dress. It's like talking about sex with a Mormon, if you know your poo poo you just gotta scoff when people parade out utterly bizarre opinions.
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Wow, this thread turned into a bunch of snide comments fast. "It doesn't matter that you know nothing about dance music, feel free to keep liking the album!" "It's okay that you're too blinded by your expectations to take the album at face value, keep disliking it if you want!" Christ almighty, it's just a loving album.
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sethsez posted:Christ almighty, it's just a loving album. But highly anticipated, years-in-the-making, legendary group albums get heightened scrutiny. ManoliIsFat fucked around with this message at 00:16 on May 15, 2013 |
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May 15, 2013 00:13
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MMD3 posted:uhhh... There's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzWLUQizz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFZjqVnWBhc Now are these two songs identical? Not at all, nor are they that overwhelmingly similar. But they were just similar enough that as soon as I heard Genesis for the first time I was immediately reminded of Robot Rock. I was actually imagining that "Wah-wah" synth riff playing over the track.
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Ras Het posted:There's nothing wrong with that, you party the way you party. You're allowed to like the album, it's pretty good. But I'll let you in on a secret: there's no "its own terms" for anything. If I release a triple album of the sounds of me loving your mum, it's going to be judged either on its merits as pornography or as modern classical, depending on the cover art. Context is all. I don't completely agree. A close friend of mine and I have been listening to this album since last night. Of it, he said that he liked it because at times it is a commentary on music as much as it is music, and that the use of real instruments to mimic sounds made by synths is a 'necessary' reversion in sound and ideas, and that this change will carry its influence on from here on forth. I replied that he was focused on the process and not the content, and to pretend it wasn't Daft Punk and that he didn't know how they recorded it. Would you enjoy it the same? I ask the same of people in this thread that profess their love for it so much. People are telling themselves they love it because it's Daft Punk, and because of what they tried to achieve with this record, but what's the point in lauding the effort if they didn't make it there? If Trent Reznor put out an album of pop hooks and put Rihanna and Lady Gaga on the vocals, it'd be upsetting to his fan base, but if it was a stellar record, its brillance would shine through. Thriller is one of those landmark albums that's considered to have changed the music scene, but I don't think the casual radio listener tuning in to Billie Jean knows how Michael Jackson recorded it, what he was paying homage to, or who played instruments on the tracks. Who cares? It's a good song any way you slice it. Now, why does it matter that Daft Punk sold their turntables and bought guitars? As an album unto itself it's boring and uninspired, and as a Daft Punk album it's several magnitudes worse.
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ManoliIsFat posted:But highly anticipated, years-in-the-making, legendary group albums get heightened scrutiny. Also, DP kind of invited this themselves with the somewhat ridiculous collaborators series. It was interesting to see those people talk about working on music but they were definitely promotional in nature, and when you deliberately try to build that much hype for something it can sometimes work against you. Also the Avalanches record is never coming out
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Muck and Mire posted:Also, DP kind of invited this themselves with the somewhat ridiculous collaborators series. It was interesting to see those people talk about working on music but they were definitely promotional in nature, and when you deliberately try to build that much hype for something it can sometimes work against you.
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pathetic gbs homo posted:I don't completely agree. A close friend of mine and I have been listening to this album since last night. Of it, he said that he liked it because at times it is a commentary on music as much as it is music, and that the use of real instruments to mimic sounds made by synths is a 'necessary' reversion in sound and ideas, and that this change will carry its influence on from here on forth. Also there's a pretty weird/arrogant implied dynamic in your argument where basically, if an album is good, you would like it ("its brilliance would shine through"). So if you don't like an album, apparently your conclusion is that people like it for Wrong Reasons?
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May 15, 2013 01:05
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Thanks for posting this, it is pretty groovy.
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After heavy research of Pitchfork's reviews of past Daft Punk work, trends in reviews of dance music, and the Strokes factor (wherein if Pitchfork makes a big deal of a new release, reviews are lower than expected), I'm handicapping their review at 5.95. Also, I like RAM. It's neat.
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May 15, 2013 01:27
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I don't think they went far back enough, if they went back to the genesis of jazz... then maybe... https://soundcloud.com/iamjasonalexander-1/sets/the-madd-wikkids-brassft-punk
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HTML5 posted:Can we stop crying because someone thinks you have bad taste? Who cares if someone thinks you have garbage taste, similar to that of a mom, and they don't respect you for what you like? Just remember, you don't believe in any of that crap and you're gonna enjoy this new Daft Punk album regardless of what they say. So what if you can't engage the historical aspects of dance music, you still like the album, and that is ok. Not a big deal. Literally can't tell if this is a troll or not, which I guess means good job. But if not, this is seriously the worst post in this thread. Even worse than the "this is the best album of all time" type posts.
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It's crazy that we (or just I, at the very least) have any expectations at all when it comes to Daft Punk. I remember buying Homework as a 16 year old kid in high school and loving it for what it was. When i got an advance copy of Discovery a few years later, working in a college radio station, I remember being baffled as to how the same group could make something that felt so different. But then I grew to love it for exactly what it was. Ditto for Human After All, which I didn't really appreciate at all when it came out, but have grown to really love. Hell, even when the Tron soundtrack was getting hyped, I had all sorts of expectations on what a Daft Punk film score would sound like...and finding myself completely wrong. As I'm still digesting my first few listens to RAM, I again find myself surprised by what I'm hearing. I almost wish that I could have been introduced to this album without knowing it was Daft Punk. Like, if someone gave me this burned on a CD under some other band name and told me to check out this new band, I'm curious to know how I would react to it. As it stands now, I'm mostly enjoying it, but every so often I have to stop and say "So this is Daft Punk now? That's weird."
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May 15, 2013 03:03
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Hey I really enjoyed this album and other people didn't. The world keeps on turnin'.
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CaptainYesterday posted:After heavy research of Pitchfork's reviews of past Daft Punk work, trends in reviews of dance music, and the Strokes factor (wherein if Pitchfork makes a big deal of a new release, reviews are lower than expected), I'm handicapping their review at 5.95. I think the actual Strokes factor is "band no longer enjoys creating music as a unit and disinterestedly throws together an album of e-mail attachments every few years to fulfill a lovely major label contract they signed in their early twenties" and thus doesn't actually apply in this case.
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Gave it my full attention and a second listen tonight and I guess I liken it to being brought the wrong dish in a restaurant, but you eat it anyway because you're hungry. Once you get past it not being what you ordered, or thought you ordered, or whateverthefuckhappeneditdoesn'tmatter, it's pretty good. Some of the lyrics are just inexcusably corny though, "lose yourself to dance" is just a terrible lyric and its bad and Pharrell should feel bad. It's pretty good for a concept album even if the concept is as someone said earlier in the thread "sad robot needs a hug". And the last two tracks are pretty much HERE'S YOUR loving DAFT PUNK, FUCKERS which is fine too. I do have to say as a casual music fan I haven't cared about or thought about an album this much in a long time, so they did definitely achieve something. I'll plunk down the $12 even though I think only 3 tracks will get regular rotation in my...rotation. I could see letting the whole thing run as a solid preparty jam too.
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Lose yourself to dance isn't a lyric. It's a command. I think this album is primarily about exploring mid and downtempo songs with more melancholy emotions. an skeleton fucked around with this message at 03:30 on May 15, 2013 |
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May 15, 2013 03:24
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Daft Punk: they're only human.
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I liked the Julian Casablancas song a LOT more on the second listen. Hoping that continues to increase.
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Muck and Mire posted:Also the Avalanches record is never coming out Maybe 
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The strokes guy song is one of my favorites on the album.
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So far really digging: Instant Crush Doing it right Contact.
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Can we talk for a minute about the brilliance of the pre-listen? Here's a good article about it: http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/13/daft-punk-album-stream/ which basically says:quote:Streaming your album early, on your terms, is the new “accidental” leak. It’s fighting piracy with the only tool that can really fight it: convenience. A massive chunk of people who download leaks do it just to get a taste; to say they heard it early. By giving those people the taste they want through a sanctioned, official, high quality means, you’re nixing the need for them to download a bootleg copy. What if Daft Punk hates hipsters so much that they made it so that everyone could say "first lol".
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Alfajor posted:Can we talk for a minute about the brilliance of the pre-listen? Here's a good article about it: http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/13/daft-punk-album-stream/ which basically says: If nothing else, it at least mitigates the "this leak has to be a fake. this is not Daft Punk" or "this leak is clearly incomplete/rough/low quality" denial conspiracies that usually fill forums out whenever a hugely popular group releases something lackluster or polarizing.
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The sanctioned pre-release streaming (specifically with a convenient way to pre-order) is definitely a smart move, but viewing this as "hating hipsters" is like the dumbest possible takeaway you could get from that story.
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It does seem like a smart idea/the best strategy available but I think in this case it has probably driven a lot of would-be purchasers to cancel pre-orders/plans of buying. It did that for me at least. But once you do that, there is no way of determining what effect it has on sales, if any.
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thathonkey posted:It does seem like a smart idea/the best strategy available but I think in this case it has probably driven a lot of would-be purchasers to cancel pre-orders/plans of buying. It did that for me at least. Even so, I wouldn't be surprised if they got some impulse buys from people who might end up underwhelmed at the end of the day. A couple months ago there was a new Autechre album and for whatever reason the first place I heard about it was iTunes, and I was like "Well poo poo, it's been too long since I bought an album, and Autechre deserves money" and then like 10 minutes later was like "wait, I forgot I don't enjoy Autechre that much".
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Hanks Lust Cafe posted:I swear everything Julian Casablancas has touched since Room on Fire has just been the most dismal poo poo. Also, this album has some fantastic moments and is over-the-top indulgence most of the way through, but as I've been saying for weeks this is going to be one of the most sampled LPs of this young century. Sent from my iPad fucked around with this message at 05:00 on May 15, 2013 |
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het posted:The sanctioned pre-release streaming (specifically with a convenient way to pre-order) is definitely a smart move, but viewing this as "hating hipsters" is like the dumbest possible takeaway you could get from that story. I should have obviously done the actual macro (http://memegenerator.net/What-If-Meme) v  v
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Finally got to listening to it once, and I liked it. It didn't quite grab me as immediately as Discovery did, and the overall sound was surprisingly mellow to me. But there are enough good tracks on it to make it an eventual purchase for me. It also helps that I dig disco music. I haven't chosen my favourite songs from it yet, though Get Lucky is still a standout.
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