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danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

Sirotan posted:

Cease and desist incoming?

I don't think so. It's a general color term used in beer. It'd be like Killian's suing over the use of "red." Founders would have a lot of C&Ds to issue:

http://beeradvocate.com/search?q=cerise&qt=beer

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Retemnav
Mar 20, 2007
Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?

Cervixalot posted:

From the last few pages, it seems like there are a bunch of Asheville goons in the thread. Hows the craft scene there? Lots of good spots? Totally oversaturated? My wife and I are mulling a move therabouts, and I want to know what im getting myself into beerwise (leaving Chicago). Does NC get good distro from west coast and midwest breweries?

Asheville has a pretty good craft scene and it's just going to get better as New Belgium and Sierra Nevada get their east coast facilities up and running. They have beer events/festivals every couple of weeks during the summer. Also lots of great restaurants.

I'd say NC gets pretty good distro from the West Coast and spotty coverage from the Midwest. Bring some 3F/Half Acre/Pipeworks with you when you move and you can make a lot of new friends in Asheville quickly.

PoopShipDestroyer
Jan 13, 2006

I think he's ready for a chair
I was deeply impressed by the local beer culture in Durham, I can only imagine what Asheville is like.

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man

Sirotan posted:

Cease and desist incoming?

for the ugly labels, maybe. sorry, CS, can't agree with you on this.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Jester King Salt Lick/Censored makes it to one of the top 3 worst craft beers I've ever had (others: Brooklyn Concoction and Rogness Gigantophis)



It's supposed to be a smoked sour saison, with the smokiness coming from smoked malt over pecan wood at the Salt Lick BBQ restaurant. The bottle gushed (in this context, does this mean bad bottle conditioning or an infection?), and the beer itself tasted like an ashtray was dumped into lemonade and mixed with vinegar.

Did get to have a Prairie Noir though, and that was quite great. Top tier imperial stout despite still being kinda hot. Really silky smooth and almost like an oatmeal stout, but still a ton of booze up front with dark fruit flavors.

Retemnav
Mar 20, 2007
Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?

RiggenBlaque posted:

I was deeply impressed by the local beer culture in Durham, I can only imagine what Asheville is like.

I think Durham has slightly better beer than Asheville. Asheville has a bunch of good breweries, but none that I'd say are "great". Wicked Weed might be on its way to great, certainly they're one of the best up there right now. Where Asheville wins, though, is the scene, just because of the fact that downtown is actually connected to pretty much all the breweries, and there are great restaurants and shops all within walking distance. Durham is so spread out, and a lot of the breweries are out in basically urban reclamation areas, i.e. rundown warehouses.

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

air- posted:

Jester King Salt Lick/Censored makes it to one of the top 3 worst craft beers I've ever had (others: Brooklyn Concoction and Rogness Gigantophis)



It's supposed to be a smoked sour saison, with the smokiness coming from smoked malt over pecan wood at the Salt Lick BBQ restaurant. The bottle gushed (in this context, does this mean bad bottle conditioning or an infection?), and the beer itself tasted like an ashtray was dumped into lemonade and mixed with vinegar.

Did get to have a Prairie Noir though, and that was quite great. Top tier imperial stout despite still being kinda hot. Really silky smooth and almost like an oatmeal stout, but still a ton of booze up front with dark fruit flavors.

I saw somebody describe Salt Lick as tasting like a rubber glove. Yum.

Corb3t fucked around with this message at 16:18 on May 20, 2013

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.

danbanana posted:

I don't think so. It's a general color term used in beer. It'd be like Killian's suing over the use of "red." Founders would have a lot of C&Ds to issue:

http://beeradvocate.com/search?q=cerise&qt=beer

Nitro is trademarked by Left Hand. General descriptors can be trademarked, which is really loving stupid.

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man

Bag of Sun Chips posted:

I saw somebody describe Salt Lick as tasting like a rubber glove. Yum.

L'enfant Terrible from De Dochter van de Korenaar was something like that, except also smoked. loving awful.

Captain Shortbus
May 14, 2011

funkybottoms posted:

for the ugly labels, maybe. sorry, CS, can't agree with you on this.

I guess I just like that sort of stupid art. :shrug: No accounting for taste, I suppose. You've got to admit they have some fun names for those brews. And the Kolsch label is awesome.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Midorka posted:

Nitro is trademarked by Left Hand. General descriptors can be trademarked, which is really loving stupid.

I don't think Left Hand would have a chance in heck of successfully defending that trademark, and I'd be really curious to see that they were actually granted trademark protection on it in the first place.

Trademarks need to be distinctive, with the most distinctive marks because ones that are completely arbitrary, like "Pepsi." Doesn't mean anything, it's not even a real word. Then you get real words used in an unrelated context; "Apple" gets to trademark "Apple" only in reference to computers, they can't come down on a store for selling apple pies. Purely descriptive marks like "Nitro" generally can't be trademarked, unless the term has been already so effectively identified in the market with a specific product that it effectively loses its descriptive nature and just becomes an identifier for that product. In beer, "nitro" isn't even close. I might be able to make, say, a drill press and call it "Nitro" and get a trademark on it, but a beer?

"Cerise" is a color. In the case of the Founder's beer, it's even descriptive of the color of the beer. It would literally be harder for them to enforce a trademark on that than it would be if they called a beer "Purple."

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.
Here's an article. It seems that Left Hand went to trademark "Milk Stout Nitro" while "Nitro" was already trademarked. I couldn't find anything on the ending though.

americanzero4128
Jul 20, 2009
Grimey Drawer

camoseven posted:

All this talk of lovely Chicago beer fests is making me nervous. My girlfriend really wants to go to this LivingSocial thing, but money is tight and I'm worried it's gonna blow. Anyone have any thoughts/predictions on if/how hard it will suck?

I bought tickets for my wife and I, and we're going with another couple, I'm pretty excited. I think it'll be fun and my wife loves the zoo, so she will be happy (and she doesn't drink beer, so I will get her samples).

Midorka
Jun 10, 2011

I have a pretty fucking good palate, passed BJCP and level 2 cicerone which is more than half of you dudes can say, so I don't give a hoot anymore about this toxic community.
Just wanted to share that a friend of mine who barely drinks beer is drinking Orval at their Abbey. I'm beyond jealous!

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
That's almost as bad as my girlfriend drain-pouring a bottle of Chocolate Rain on her last business trip because it wasn't chocolatey enough. :(

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

air- posted:

Jester King Salt Lick/Censored makes it to one of the top 3 worst craft beers I've ever had (others: Brooklyn Concoction and Rogness Gigantophis)



It's supposed to be a smoked sour saison, with the smokiness coming from smoked malt over pecan wood at the Salt Lick BBQ restaurant. The bottle gushed (in this context, does this mean bad bottle conditioning or an infection?), and the beer itself tasted like an ashtray was dumped into lemonade and mixed with vinegar.

Did get to have a Prairie Noir though, and that was quite great. Top tier imperial stout despite still being kinda hot. Really silky smooth and almost like an oatmeal stout, but still a ton of booze up front with dark fruit flavors.

I haven't had a recent Jester King bottle that didn't gush. Both bottles of Funk Metal I've seen opened have been foam monsters.

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


So a while back I posted complaining about people "hoarding" beer based on someone's cellar contents, specifically a cache of Cantillon. I was probably being a big whiny baby because I remember when someone cleaned out every bottle at my old bottle shop. I had been happily buying them there for years and was more than a little annoyed when every bottle was gone within a week (apparently all by a small handful of people buying all of them over the course of a few days). So whenever I see a huge stash of something rare it just rubs me the wrong way.

Anyway, the point of this story is that in one of the responses to my rant someone came to the defense of the cellar and said something along the lines of "they probably just ordered it from Belgium directly."

Holy poo poo. Why have I never thought of that before? That post coincided with me getting a new job and a huge loving raise, so I knew what my next step had to be...



Yeah, that's 16 beautiful bottles straight from Belgium that just arrived on my doorstep. It is a thing of beauty. And because I bought them in bulk it was cheaper than buying them domestically, including shipping.

I am now probably an rear end in a top hat in someone else's eyes.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Interesting. Where'd you order from?

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

I've got another Belgium order coming, this time the focus is on the 3F Armand'4 season set. Really really excited to hoard drink those.

deedee megadoodoo
Sep 28, 2000
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, I took the one to Flavortown, and that has made all the difference.


Docjowles posted:

Interesting. Where'd you order from?

belgiuminabox. 10 days to make it from overseas to my door is pretty good. And Kurt threw a bunch of breweriana into the box so now I have 3F coasters and some signs to hang up in my office.

crazyfish posted:

I've got another Belgium order coming, this time the focus is on the 3F Armand'4 season set. Really really excited to drink those.

I was going to order some 3F but nobody buys it around me so I can still take it off the shelves. It's cheaper to order from Belgium, but I wanted to make this order for things I can't actually get around here.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

crazyfish posted:

I haven't had a recent Jester King bottle that didn't gush. Both bottles of Funk Metal I've seen opened have been foam monsters.

We even followed the store for 24 hours cold instruction on the label. Was that the case for you as well?

blue.eyed.ash
Jul 17, 2006

Winner of the 'How Badly Will A Phone Game Milk Us Idiot Cash Cows?' Contest!

Answer: About $70USD for a bad character that unlocks the grind for another.


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air- posted:

We even followed the store for 24 hours cold instruction on the label. Was that the case for you as well?

The bottle of Black Metal I recently had was almost as flat as Parabola. I will make sure to take extra care when opening my Das Wunderkind based on y'all's experiences though...

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

air- posted:

We even followed the store for 24 hours cold instruction on the label. Was that the case for you as well?

I did, but then I dragged it to a bottle share and that pretty much negated any effects of it.

Daunte Vicknabb
Feb 22, 2005

You are already dead
I had a truly vile beer a few weeks ago. Dark Horse Three Guys Off the Scale Sour. Holy gently caress, that beer was terrible. It tasted like rotten vegetables thrown into a bag of melted caramel candies soaked in bourbon with vinegar and nail polish remover.

My friend got it sent to him in a trade when DH hosed up the actual Bourbon Barrel version of the beer. Poor guy.

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

HatfulOfHollow posted:

belgiuminabox

Nevermind. I'm dumb.

Shipping isn't terrible.

danbanana fucked around with this message at 21:34 on May 20, 2013

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

Daunte Vicknabb posted:

I had a truly vile beer a few weeks ago. Dark Horse Three Guys Off the Scale Sour. Holy gently caress, that beer was terrible. It tasted like rotten vegetables thrown into a bag of melted caramel candies soaked in bourbon with vinegar and nail polish remover.

My friend got it sent to him in a trade when DH hosed up the actual Bourbon Barrel version of the beer. Poor guy.

Their "lambics" they tried to sell this past December are even worse. Pure nail polish remover. I don't know why they didn't just dump the batches. Thankfully, they were on tap so you were able to try before you buy. Word quickly spread that they were terrible and I don't think many people bothered getting them.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

danbanana posted:

Nevermind. I'm dumb.

Shipping isn't terrible.

I just priced out an order of Cantillon, 3 Font, and Westy - and it's cheaper per bottle with shipping than a bunch of the stuff I have bought locally. Now, the question is if it will be confiscated en-route...

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

FreelanceSocialist posted:

I just priced out an order of Cantillon, 3 Font, and Westy - and it's cheaper per bottle with shipping than a bunch of the stuff I have bought locally.

Yes. But in my original post I priced shipping as cheaper than FedEx within the U.S. I'm dumb and didn't realize it defaulted to shipping within Europe. I got REALLY excited...

SUPER HASSLER
Jan 31, 2005

Eep.

'Scuse me while I order a box and become King of Oregon in a few days.

Klaus Kinski
Nov 26, 2007
Der Klaus

HatfulOfHollow posted:

belgiuminabox. 10 days to make it from overseas to my door is pretty good. And Kurt threw a bunch of breweriana into the box so now I have 3F coasters and some signs to hang up in my office.

Is there anything like this for US beer?

crazyfish
Sep 19, 2002

Side note from Belgiumchat: Chicagoans: Galactic Double Daisy Cutter bottles at Half Acre released tomorrow at noon. Haven't heard anything about a price or limit.

air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

Klaus Kinski posted:

Is there anything like this for US beer?

Varies by region, there's many more but here's some off the top of my head. IMO for the most part, trading is cheaper.

NC: http://www.bruisin-ales.com/
Midwest: http://www.france44.com/
California: http://www.bevmo.com/

danbanana
Jun 7, 2008

OG Bell's fanboi

crazyfish posted:

Side note from Belgiumchat: Chicagoans: Galactic Double Daisy Cutter bottles at Half Acre released tomorrow at noon. Haven't heard anything about a price or limit.

I believe the standard DDC was $12 a bottle with a limit of 4 back in January.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

HatfulOfHollow posted:

belgiuminabox.

Oh my god.

http://belgiuminabox.com/shop/428-bag-in-box-young-lambic

Boxed lambic. Suck on that, Kendall-Jackson.

Klaus Kinski
Nov 26, 2007
Der Klaus

air- posted:

Varies by region, there's many more but here's some off the top of my head. IMO for the most part, trading is cheaper.

NC: http://www.bruisin-ales.com/
Midwest: http://www.france44.com/
California: http://www.bevmo.com/

..with international shipping, probably should have mentioned that.

ControlledBurn
Sep 7, 2006

Frost his bag!

crazyfish posted:

Side note from Belgiumchat: Chicagoans: Galactic Double Daisy Cutter bottles at Half Acre released tomorrow at noon. Haven't heard anything about a price or limit.

$10/bottle, limit 6

Source: http://halfacrebeer.com/blog/2013/5/14/chicago-craft-beer-week

MalleusDei
Mar 21, 2007

How hard do I need to try to get to St. Sixtus, if I'm in Bruges? I wasn't planning on renting a car, but...

Kudosx
Jun 6, 2006

it's raining zerglings!
I tried Love Child #3 today, and holy poo poo was it fantastic. I was surprised at how tart it was, mostly because the gauges on the back of the bottle show it as only being about a 6/10 on the tart scale. I was also surprised that the bourbon flavor wasn't completely overwhelming, which I actually enjoyed. It had just enough flavor from the barrel aging to let you know that it is barrel aged, without it being overwhelming at all. A really, really fantastic beer, and I'm glad that I have three bottles of it left!

All of this talk about ordering Belgian beer online really makes me want to pull the trigger on ordering a bunch of Cantillon, but I still might hold out for another month or three.

dphi
Jul 9, 2001

SUPER HASSLER posted:

Eep.

'Scuse me while I order a box and become King of Oregon in a few days.

Hey buddy, need a new friend?

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etcetera08
Sep 11, 2008

I haven't had any issues with the two bottles of Jester King I've gotten in the last few months. They were Wytchmaker and Le Petit Prince. Both tasted fine.

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