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Wow. I think it's about time I acknowledged that I need to get out of this hobby. I haven't played it for months, and there's a lot of plastic chilling upstairs that could go to a good home somewhere.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Wow. I think it's about time I acknowledged that I need to get out of this hobby. I haven't played it for months, and there's a lot of plastic chilling upstairs that could go to a good home somewhere. Yeah that is where I am as well. It's purely the effort and legwork of selling poo poo that is keeping it at my house at this point.
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May 21, 2013 14:07
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While I'm sad to see people go, these price increases do provide the scene with some used space men flowing into the market.
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May 21, 2013 14:12
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Birthday money is coming soon, save all your Orks and sell them to meeeeeeeee!
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I'm trying to decide which Greater Daemon to add to my collection and I can't make my mind up between a Keeper of Secrets or a Lord of Change. How are people finding either of them? My list generally consists of a big unit of Pink Horrors, a unit of 15 Seekers, some Flesh Hounds, Beasts of Nurgle... so I've got a decent mix of stuff and just can't make my mind up between the speed and combat ability of the Keeper vs the versatility of the LoC (although I'm guaranteed to lose it to dumb Grounded tests every game).
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CyberLord XP posted:Birthday money is coming soon, save all your Orks and sell them to meeeeeeeee! You and I live in the same city, if you want to buy my orks we can definitely work something out.
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Here we go, next set of leaked images  
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JoshTheStampede posted:You and I live in the same city, if you want to buy my orks we can definitely work something out. Oh yeah, I sold you a bunch of books before. I'll let you know later and we can talk turkey.
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Fuegan posted:I'm trying to decide which Greater Daemon to add to my collection and I can't make my mind up between a Keeper of Secrets or a Lord of Change. How are people finding either of them? My list generally consists of a big unit of Pink Horrors, a unit of 15 Seekers, some Flesh Hounds, Beasts of Nurgle... so I've got a decent mix of stuff and just can't make my mind up between the speed and combat ability of the Keeper vs the versatility of the LoC (although I'm guaranteed to lose it to dumb Grounded tests every game). The Lord of Change is an incredibly useful Psyker with Divination and Change and has the option of generating extra Chaos Spawn over the course of the game for 20pts. The Keeper of Secrets is not as fast (though it runs further than usual) and suffers the fate of having few ranged options and being an easy target. In my estimation based on stat-lines and strategy, the various Daemons rank like so: Keeper of Secrets < Great Unclean One < Bloodthirster < Lord of Change Flying Monstrous Creatures are just so much more versatile and powerful than walking MCs, especially since their costs aren't all that much different. All this aside, I hate hate hate the Lord of Change model. I really want either a new scupt, the Forgeworld model, or one of the old metals to mess with. The current model is just so spindly and wonky-looking I cannot take it seriously.
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Fuegan posted:I'm trying to decide which Greater Daemon to add to my collection and I can't make my mind up between a Keeper of Secrets or a Lord of Change. How are people finding either of them? My list generally consists of a big unit of Pink Horrors, a unit of 15 Seekers, some Flesh Hounds, Beasts of Nurgle... so I've got a decent mix of stuff and just can't make my mind up between the speed and combat ability of the Keeper vs the versatility of the LoC (although I'm guaranteed to lose it to dumb Grounded tests every game). The ignore cover is not terrible if you rolled one of the S8 power on Lesser/Greater Rewards and the malediction is just awesome. Though, I have heard good things about the KoS, even though it's not flying. It also opens up Slaanesh DP's who can get 2D6 BS5 S6 whip shots a trun which does help out the lack of shooting. PierreTheMime posted:All this aside, I hate hate hate the Lord of Change model. I really want either a new scupt, the Forgeworld model, or one of the old metals to mess with. The current model is just so spindly and wonky-looking I cannot take it seriously.  Cockatrice, bro. Though I had to add one extra tail section to stifle the "C" shape it's curved into. Edit: It's Finecast and it's perfect. WhiteOutMouse fucked around with this message at 15:10 on May 21, 2013 |
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CyberLord XP posted:Birthday money is coming soon, save all your Orks and sell them to meeeeeeeee! What luck, I just put a pile on ebay.
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Indolent Bastard posted:I'm loving all the sticker shock blow-back that is occurring here; I'll love it even more after a bunch of you crack and buy one of those $115 models after seeing one painted nicely on CMON. Hams bitch a lot, but continue to vote with their wallets and the votes always say: "Take my money I need my plastic crack." Nothing but daughters with no juice in their cups as far as the eye can see. I realize I will probably be in the minority, but prices are this level aren't something I will turn around on later. When I was 20? Sure I would have bitched and moaned and then bought two of them eventually. But I'll be thirty this year. I have a kid now, and he drinks a lot of juice. I get it, this means that I am not GW's target demographic any more and they won't give a poo poo that I'm bowing out. But it still sucks for me, because I have been chugging along on GW stuff since I was 10 or 11. The only good news is that GW has paved the way for a lot of other companies that make excellent miniatures at decent prices. I see a lot of Bones in my future. 
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That Ranger guy is  So, does the Limited Edition Iyanden Codex contain a coupon for $45 off your purchase of three or more Wraithknight kits?
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May 21, 2013 15:29
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Welp I'm selling my old Eldar Corsairs stuff. I was waiting for the new release but between the pricing and the Wraith everything I don't think I'm sticking with it. I don't think I've even played with my army in nearly a year. Here they are if anyone is interested. http://www.ebay.com/itm/200926330130?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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Is poly cement ok for the large flight stands, or should I use superglue?
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Some more pictures of new Eldar:quote:Also a picture of the fighter: http://i.imgur.com/YNUBBd4.jpg
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A front on view of the fighter over the top of the new Farseer   Wraithguard with swords instead of axes  Edit: Ninjad 
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The new Wraith stuff all looks pretty baller. I like the Wraithseer, Wraithguard and their close combat buddies look solid, Wraithknight is cool but any chance of me getting one to paint up for fun went out the window when I saw the pricetag. The new fighters look stumpy, dumpy, and straight out of 2nd edition.
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Are they even changing dire avengers at all or are they just pulling the trick they did with guard where the cut the amount of mans you get in a box by half but keep the price the same?
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I had picked up both a metal Seer Council and some metal heavy weapons platforms on the cheap with the hope to start Eldar when they released, but I think those plans just went out the window. Maybe I'll scoop up some cheap infantry and transports as people quit the hobby so I can make a small allied contingent for fun. Definitely not buying new kit for it, though.
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BadLlama posted:Are they even changing dire avengers at all or are they just pulling the trick they did with guard where the cut the amount of mans you get in a box by half but keep the price the same?
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SRM posted:Guard trick. Last night I was thinking of buying a bunch of boxes of 10 and flipping them for double but that's a lot of work to make like $30. I was contemplating Eldar allies when 6th started, but these prices are keeping me away. GW hasn't priced me out just yet, but they've priced me out of casually buying poo poo just for fun instead of "I need X unit to make my army work" purchases. That is so incredibly stupid, unless dire avengers are getting a huge buff in the new rules they aren't that much better than just a blob of guardians. (Good thing I have more guardians then I need, hello proxy avengers!)
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I also have a crapload of Guardians. If you replaced the heads you would basically be set. I wonder how hard it would be to mod them to add the crests and call it done.
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Ashcans posted:I also have a crapload of Guardians. If you replaced the heads you would basically be set. I wonder how hard it would be to mod them to add the crests and call it done.
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Yea, loincloths are easy (and also I think kind of optional) but rebuilding the cones into crests might be a pain. On the other hand it looks like bits stores have them for ~$1, so you could convert ten guardians into DAs for $10.
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The Guardian kit has better weapons, anyway. Their shuriken catapults are already far larger than they should be, the avenger catapults are just absurd. Explain to me why space uzis are almost as tall as the guy carrying it.
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Has GW cracked down real hard on Ebay Stores selling GW products? like a year ago there were plenty of ebay stores selling stuff at up to 25-30% off depending on the product. I can't find any selling for good discount prices anymore.
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Yea, and I think they tightened up the requirements for a 'physical store' so that it was a lot harder to fake it. I think that it used to be that a business address would basically qualify, but now you are supposed to have space to foster community growth or something. It means that the only places that can get the distributor prices are ones like the Warstore with a proper game store.
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Ashcans posted:Yea, and I think they tightened up the requirements for a 'physical store' so that it was a lot harder to fake it. I think that it used to be that a business address would basically qualify, but now you are supposed to have space to foster community growth or something. It means that the only places that can get the distributor prices are ones like the Warstore with a proper game store. Which is hilarious in light of most GW stores removing their gaming and painting space. Fostering community growth indeed.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Which is hilarious in light of most GW stores removing their gaming and painting space. Fostering community growth indeed. Also hilarious with the squeeze that they're starting to put on retailers with the new direct order restrictions, coupled with a lot of poo poo going direct order only. It doesn't seem like they're *that* interested in fostering FLGS community growth. Also, according to my FLGS: loving Kroot are direct order now.
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I've got an odd feeling these new Wraith-axemen are going to be filed alongside those Necron melee dudes that aren't Lychguard (Praetorians?), Warp Talons and Mutilators as not actually very useful. I hope this isn't true though because they're really cool.
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The picture of the Wraithknight striding forwarding with that gigantic sword is ridiculous. I love it so much. And if the stats are real, it's going to be an abomination on the field. But maybe pointcosts will kill its viability. e: It wasn't posted here I think, here's what I'm talking about : 
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Bob Smith posted:I've got an odd feeling these new Wraith-axemen are going to be filed alongside those Necron melee dudes that aren't Lychguard (Praetorians?), Warp Talons and Mutilators as not actually very useful. I hope this isn't true though because they're really cool.
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I'd love to see a picture of the flyer in profile. Someone earlier said it looked dumpy, but I think it's because of the angles we've gotten. But then they also said it looked 2ed, which is totally great by me. Edit: And there it is. I think the flyer looks pretty good, and also appears to double effectively as a batarang. I am down with that. Also the striding Wraithknight looks a lot better than the static pose.
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Ashcans posted:I'd love to see a picture of the flyer in profile. Someone earlier said it looked dumpy, but I think it's because of the angles we've gotten. But then they also said it looked 2ed, which is totally great by me.
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SRM posted:That was me. I think it just looks too short and stubby. The Dark Eldar fighterbomber looks so much sleeker and more elegant. I wonder how big it is. A Nightwing/Phoenix could potentially make a nice replacement, though a costly one.
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SRM posted:That was me. I think it just looks too short and stubby. The Dark Eldar fighterbomber looks so much sleeker and more elegant. Yea, looking at re-purposing my DE flyer for their craftworld cousins. The thieving between the two factions goes both ways, right?
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