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Idran posted:The reasoning behind the claim is summed up pretty well here. Basically there was a book in the mid-90s written by a fervently anti-Islam pastor that claimed that Allah was originally an epithet for the pre-Islamic, supposedly-moon-god Hubal (although that deity has a good chance of not having been a lunar god either), and the star and crescent indicates that Allah in the Muslim faith is in fact that same deity, not the Abrahamic god (even though the star and crescent wasn't a symbol of Islam in particular until the 50s). Chick got hooked on that theory and wrote the tract that got quoted earlier, and it spread via Chick's tracts. I may be making a big old fool of myself here, and it was a long time since catholic school, but even in the old testament aren't the arabian muslims pretty explicitly ishmaelites? Like even the good book says they're pretty much descended from abrahamic religion - or was that just my sixteen year old self not paying attention?
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ClownSyndrome posted:I'm guessing that Chick comic ends with the Muslim guy crying after his entire world view has been shattered by the faultless logic of Squarejaw McChristian Pretty much yes.
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May 22, 2013 19:22
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Sardine Wit posted:I may be making a big old fool of myself here, and it was a long time since catholic school, but even in the old testament aren't the arabian muslims pretty explicitly ishmaelites? Like even the good book says they're pretty much descended from abrahamic religion - or was that just my sixteen year old self not paying attention? Neither does the New Testament, since Islam is still later than that. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 19:46 on May 22, 2013 |
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May 22, 2013 19:27
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ClownSyndrome posted:I'm guessing that Chick comic ends with the Muslim guy crying after his entire world view has been shattered by the faultless logic of Squarejaw McChristian Yup, he vows to become a christian and try to convert Muslims even if they are all terrorists and want to kill him for it. The best part of that strip is that after the "moon" god panel the Muslim guy immediately tells him that soon the Muslims will rule the world and take over america also threatens to kill him for being a christian. The best chick tract is Dark Dungeons though, I think its the one that broke the reality for me and made me question whether Jack Chick was actually just a giant decades long troll. 
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May 22, 2013 19:46
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Axetrain posted:The best chick tract is Dark Dungeons though, I think its the one that broke the reality for me and made me question whether Jack Chick was actually just a giant decades long troll. Someone's actually making a Dark Dungeons movie.
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May 22, 2013 20:12
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Sardine Wit posted:I may be making a big old fool of myself here, and it was a long time since catholic school, but even in the old testament aren't the arabian muslims pretty explicitly ishmaelites? Like even the good book says they're pretty much descended from abrahamic religion - or was that just my sixteen year old self not paying attention? The Koran (or one of the haditha-the words of Mohammad as recorded by his daughter and closest friends-I forget which actually) actually says nearly verbatim that Jews and Christians are fellow brothers of the Book, and should be treated with respect as fellow Muslims are. The veracity of that, in that it was recorded, not whether it was actually said by Mohammad if it was in a hadith, isn't in doubt, but the meaning/exigence of it is debatable. Of course, like many religious writings and citations, it is routinely ignored/rationalized away by various sects or dominations of Islam whenever it's inconvenient to their particular interpretation of the faith.
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May 22, 2013 20:15
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Axetrain posted:The best chick tract is Dark Dungeons though, I think its the one that broke the reality for me and made me question whether Jack Chick was actually just a giant decades long troll. It actually did the opposite for me. I thought "gently caress, if this dude thinks D&D is literally casting magic spells powered by demons, no wonder he thinks it ruins lives! That sure as gently caress would ruin my life if it were true" It basically shifted my hate from Jack Chick to people who unironically believe in Chick tracts, and I have never met a person like that in real life.
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May 22, 2013 20:45
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JoshTheStampede posted:It actually did the opposite for me. I thought "gently caress, if this dude thinks D&D is literally casting magic spells powered by demons, no wonder he thinks it ruins lives! That sure as gently caress would ruin my life if it were true" I almost guarantee that more people than you think disapprove of D&D for religious reasons. Among the ones who actually know what D&D is instead of taking Pastor Bob's word for it, they claim that even though you're not actually casting spells, you're still doing so in the game through your character. That's bad because the Old Testament calls sorcery a capital offense and it's bad taste to even pretend to do it.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I almost guarantee that more people than you think disapprove of D&D for religious reasons. Among the ones who actually know what D&D is instead of taking Pastor Bob's word for it, they claim that even though you're not actually casting spells, you're still doing so in the game through your character. That's bad because the Old Testament calls sorcery a capital offense and it's bad taste to even pretend to do it. "Don't cast spells! Instead, come say this prayer that turns crackers and wine into flesh and blood!" 
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ProperGanderPusher posted:I almost guarantee that more people than you think disapprove of D&D for religious reasons. Among the ones who actually know what D&D is instead of taking Pastor Bob's word for it, they claim that even though you're not actually casting spells, you're still doing so in the game through your character. That's bad because the Old Testament calls sorcery a capital offense and it's bad taste to even pretend to do it. This logic has always been weird to me; pretending to cast spells through a fictional character is an awful thing to do yet that same character massacring people through the same said character is okay. I'm sure there are people who are against D&D for both of those stated reasons, but, anecdotally, I had a neighbor who got angry at me for teaching their daughter how to play Magic: The Gathering and threw away their Banjo Kazooie game because it had magic, but had no problems with (at least for the older daughter) watching and playing things that were otherwise pretty violent.
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I came home from school one day to discover that my mom had thrown all my He-mans away because she went to some seminar where they told her it was satanic. It stems from this spiritual warrior evangelical movement where all secular things are seen to be tricks by Satan himself to lead people from God and own their souls. Things like D&D, rock music, etc. are seen as things that weaken your spiritual resolve to the point that you are vulnerable to demonic possession. Whether that possession is a subtle thing or an Exorcist kind of thing varies from group to group. Some of the most popular modern Christian fiction of all time are Frank Peretti's Piercing the Darkness series, which is about a literal invisible war between demons and angels over the souls of mankind.
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May 22, 2013 21:32
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Hail Satan, heavy metal, drugs, premarital sex
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We were told at church that AC/DC secretly stood for Anti-Christ/Devil Child and KISS stood for Knights In Satan's Service. These were taken as a given.
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May 22, 2013 21:36
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zoux posted:I came home from school one day to discover that my mom had thrown all my He-mans away because she went to some seminar where they told her it was satanic. It stems from this spiritual warrior evangelical movement where all secular things are seen to be tricks by Satan himself to lead people from God and own their souls. Things like D&D, rock music, etc. are seen as things that weaken your spiritual resolve to the point that you are vulnerable to demonic possession. Whether that possession is a subtle thing or an Exorcist kind of thing varies from group to group. Some of the most popular modern Christian fiction of all time are Frank Peretti's Piercing the Darkness series, which is about a literal invisible war between demons and angels over the souls of mankind. You'll be happy to know that The Cinema Snob has done a review of this video. Enjoy!
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I Am The Scum posted:You'll be happy to know that The Cinema Snob has done a review of this video. Enjoy! Holy poo poo I had no idea this video existed, but that's probably exactly what she saw.
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May 22, 2013 21:48
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I wish I still had it, but I briefly went to a church that had little pamphlets on the evils of drugs, rock and roll, and D&D (I think.) The only one I remember was the rock and roll one. On the front side it had an image of a young kid in a guillotine with a cd as the blade. It seemed like it'd make for a pretty awesome album cover.
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zoux posted:We were told at church that AC/DC secretly stood for Anti-Christ/Devil Child and KISS stood for Knights In Satan's Service. These were taken as a given. They don't? poo poo, now I have to go throw away my AC/DC albums and Official KISS Sacrificial Knife and Altar (with the optional Virginal Blood Catch Basin attachment).
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There's actually a theory that Jack is just incredibly naive and very open to suggestions from anyone claiming to be Christian. The documentary about him "God's Cartoonist" shows that a lot of his crazier beliefs, especially about demons and witches and the Catholic church, can be traced back to certain people (Rebecca Brown and Alberto Rivera respectively) joining the fold at Chick Publishing.
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Look, if you're gonna criticize rock music for being Satanic, at least get your targets right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puwllq0fBLs
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zoux posted:I came home from school one day to discover that my mom had thrown all my He-mans away because she went to some seminar where they told her it was satanic. It stems from this spiritual warrior evangelical movement where all secular things are seen to be tricks by Satan himself to lead people from God and own their souls. Things like D&D, rock music, etc. are seen as things that weaken your spiritual resolve to the point that you are vulnerable to demonic possession. Whether that possession is a subtle thing or an Exorcist kind of thing varies from group to group. Some of the most popular modern Christian fiction of all time are Frank Peretti's Piercing the Darkness series, which is about a literal invisible war between demons and angels over the souls of mankind. A world in which light and darkness are equally powerful against one another? I had no idea so many Evangelicals were crypto-Zoroastrians. Nice Davis posted:"Don't cast spells! Instead, come say this prayer that turns crackers and wine into flesh and blood!" Eh. In my experience anti-D&D Christians tend to be hardcore evangelicals and probably think transubstantiation is idolatrous black magic as well. ProperGanderPusher fucked around with this message at 00:07 on May 23, 2013 |
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ProperGanderPusher posted:A world in which light and darkness are equally powerful against one another? I had no idea so many Evangelicals were crypto-Zoroastrians. The darkness isn't on a par with the light, it's just that God allows demons parity right now for some reason but he's gonna win in the end.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:Eh. In my experience anti-D&D Christians tend to be hardcore evangelicals and probably think transubstantiation is idolatrous black magic as well. Yeah, on second thought I think you're right. This is more like it.
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Just another Jack Chick bit, he doesn't ever defend faith healing for any physical ailments, in fact one of the tracts against Jehovah Witnesses admonishes the family for putting their dying daughter at risk for refusing blood transfusions. It's the usual crap otherwise but Chick does not believe in faith healing.
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Since we're talking chick tracts, I was handed a hybrid youth bible/comic book about teen faith called the Truth for Youth. http://www.boolean-union.com/Chick/index.html#TruthforYouth Rock music, porn, homosexuality, sex, abortion, drugs, evolution, school shootings and HARRY POTTER!
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I think I was given the evolution and safe sex pamphlets when I was younger. Also, uh, you all posted the parody version of that Chick tract. Here's the true Darque Dungeon. DeusExMachinima fucked around with this message at 01:13 on May 23, 2013 |
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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ProperGanderPusher posted:A world in which light and darkness are equally powerful against one another? I had no idea so many Evangelicals were crypto-Zoroastrians. One of the residents in my college engineering dorm unironically hid chick tracts all over the floor in some pathetic attempt at "witnessing." They made great toilet reading! I think he was afraid of confronting people directly. He went so far as to print up a two-page takedown of the "Is hell endo- or exo-thermic?" on thermodynamic and theological grounds. He was wrong on both counts 
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zoux posted:I came home from school one day to discover that my mom had thrown all my He-mans away because she went to some seminar where they told her it was satanic. It stems from this spiritual warrior evangelical movement where all secular things are seen to be tricks by Satan himself to lead people from God and own their souls.
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zeroprime posted:I remember when some nuts were raising a fuss over major producers adding halal certification to the meat products they sold. They raised hell about what was basically a processing facility that was already kosher (lots of overlap between kosher and halal standards) having a muslim inspector come in and say "yep, all this stuff also meets halal requirements, you can put the stamp on your packaging now". http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/happy_halal_thanksgiving.html quote:Did you know that the turkey you're going to enjoy on Thanksgiving Day this Thursday is probably halal? If it's a Butterball turkey, then it certainly is -- whether you like it or not. Basically, if you're a pure white Christian, you should be eating non-Halal meat because Muslims east Halal meat. V-Men fucked around with this message at 06:31 on May 23, 2013 |
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Unrelated to anything, but I really need to stop responding to gun chat on Facebook. I don't want to derail the thread, so could some of you gun folk PM reasons why you would want concealed carry?
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Don't you know that if a Muslim has so much as looked at something, it's Kryptonite for the god-fearing white man?
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jackofarcades posted:Since we're talking chick tracts, I was handed a hybrid youth bible/comic book about teen faith called the Truth for Youth. Thanks for that site! some of those dissections are pretty humorous.
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YF-23 posted:Willing to bet whoever wrote that can't even put these countries down on the map. When you are geographically and historically illiterate, it's easy for your opinion of Islam to be based on the stuff you hear about it, and the stuff that's being heard about it relates by and large to the Middle East and north Africa nowadays. I just spent entirely too much time putting together a spreadsheet timeline based on the Wikipedia articles about US wars and the Indian Wars (which mostly aren't included on that list). http://sdrv.ms/16asNb8 There have been 9 years in US history without any significant military engagement, foreign or domestic. 2 of them were under Carter. The rest were before the Civil War.
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Nice work! What is "Greece - Pirates" during the otherwise peaceful JQA administration?
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Nice Davis posted:Nice work! What is "Greece - Pirates" during the otherwise peaceful JQA administration? Chasing Mediterranean pirates into Greek territory.
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Soonmot posted:Unrelated to anything, but I really need to stop responding to gun chat on Facebook. I don't want to derail the thread, so could some of you gun folk PM reasons why you would want concealed carry? I don't think it's off topic it's pretty relevant. In short concealed carry doesn't do anything that gun fanatics claim they want. I'm sure most of us would rather people not carry guns on their person at all (Except maybe to a firing range) but let's assume for a second that they can. The usual logic is that "if you have a gun someone won't want to rob you out of fear that youll fight back". well if you're concealing the gun, what's the point? They no longer know you have the gun and so by that logic they're more likely to attack you, and the gun is now harder to get it because you concealed it. It's pure power fantasy. They dream of a mugger coming up to them in an alley, and then totally unsuspecting, whip out their 9mm and blast holes in that son of a bitch because they think life is an action movie and as the hero, they won't die.
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While many gun nuts are hella racist I try and give them the benefit of the doubt and not poison the argument more than I have to.
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Cops, meanwhile, hate concealed carry because few things are as unfun as responding to a shooting and having to worry about whether a given gun-wielder is a "good guy" or a "bad guy".
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I've had gun folk on facebook tell me they need concealed carry because what if a robber sees their gun and shoots them first. I've never understood that since most every 'you need a gun to defend yourself' mantra requires you to get the drop on your robber or attacker anyway.
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zoux posted:We were told at church that AC/DC secretly stood for Anti-Christ/Devil Child and KISS stood for Knights In Satan's Service. These were taken as a given. It'd be a decent joke in a movie or something to have a church that believed that "Anti-Christ/Devil Child" was the real meaning of AC/DC -- "AC/DC" in the sense of the actual electrical engineering concept. (I guess it'd also work for the act of kissing, but many real churches already disapprove of kissing anyway.)
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