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Yeah, the new webkit Opera for Android just went "final" and is being pushed out as a replacement for what was called "Opera Mobile" before. The current version is considerably better than the beta, but I really don't think it's ready for prime time. There's no Opera Link, it's really loving slow and unresponsive on older phones, you get "this page had a problem" quite a bit (although hitting reload usually gets it back), and lots of other annoying little problems. There's a lot of backlash in the app reviews, not surprisingly. I backed up the old Opera Mobile with Titanium before I got the new version and I may roll back until the new version improves (or I upgrade to a phone which can run Chrome).
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May 21, 2013 16:41
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It's still on the WebKit branch - not Blink - for what it's worth. That's yet to come.
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May 21, 2013 17:01
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Yea, I did not realize they were going to replace opera mobil 12 with the new one and got auto updated. I rolled with it yesterday but just grabbed a 12.1.4 apk. The new one is too laggy when scrolling. Not bad otherwise, just too slow.
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May 22, 2013 22:17
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I don't suppose there's an image zoom feature for Opera? I really miss my imagezoom addon in chrome.
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May 24, 2013 08:48
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Opera zooms for the whole page, not just a part of it.
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May 24, 2013 09:16
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Heresiarch posted:Yeah, the new webkit Opera for Android just went "final" and is being pushed out as a replacement for what was called "Opera Mobile" before. Yeah, I'm actually thinking why exactly should I keep on using Opera, if there is no Link (and I've also started using incognito mode in Chrome lately). Does Off-road mode work any more reliably than Turbo? Because in my experience if the network is good, then pages just load and if it's bad, then Opera cannot connect to the turbo servers. I think that is pretty much the only distinguishing feature in Opera for Android. Especially since the "Discover" page doesn't have Finland as a country choice in it (Not that I'd use it, but...) And holy poo poo, "History" is almost an anti-feature to me.
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May 24, 2013 10:02
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The off-road mode basically turns it into Opera Mini, which isn't a bad thing. I've had good results with it but ymmv etc.
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May 25, 2013 00:13
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Riso posted:Opera zooms for the whole page, not just a part of it. I know, but I specifically mean hoverzooming- there's this extension for chrome that lets you just hover over a linked image, which is preferable. I haven't found any add ons in Opera for that, though. Poo.
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May 25, 2013 02:37
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Sociopastry posted:I know, but I specifically mean hoverzooming- there's this extension for chrome that lets you just hover over a linked image, which is preferable. I haven't found any add ons in Opera for that, though. Poo. ImgTip does this, if I understand what you mean correctly.
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May 25, 2013 03:11
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There is now "Opera Mobile Classic" on the Google Play store. A good decision, I think.
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May 26, 2013 00:27
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You can also download Opera Mobile Labs: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/extensions-opera-mobile-labs/ You have to side-load it, but it has support for extensions as well. Having Ghostery on mobile is nice.
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May 26, 2013 16:39
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Relating to my near constant complaints about Opera (Not Responding), I was doing my routine check of Opera Forums suggestions to this problem and it led to this fix. I've been using it for a day and it has been substantial in terms of improving responsiveness. Even when I do get Not Responding moments they clear quickly. If you're on the ropes like I was with this problem and don't mind a regedit fix, it's worth looking into. http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itproperf/thread/81c2f50b-077e-459e-a351-7a983c8bbb66 quote:Core parking was in fact the issue! I actually solved it another way, for the method Jarrett.Ridlinghafer proposed unfortunately did not work for me. (I searched for "core parking" in regedit, removed all entries, shutdown/rebooted, but the hanging was still there.) I presume this will mess with the power efficiency of the system but I'm plugged in and it was approaching unusability with the number of tabs I frequently have open at a time.
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May 26, 2013 19:53
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Don't mess with the registry, modify the power profile with this instead http://bitsum.com/about_cpu_core_parking.php
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May 27, 2013 15:31
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flappin fish posted:ImgTip does this, if I understand what you mean correctly. Rad! Thanks, dude. just what I wanted.
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May 27, 2013 22:40
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Riso posted:Don't mess with the registry, modify the power profile with this instead http://bitsum.com/about_cpu_core_parking.php Thanks, that's smooth and the less I regedit the better.
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May 27, 2013 23:24
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Opera 15 just dropped in Next: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/opera-next-15-0-released They're also pulling the mail functionality from the browser and making it into its own program. Interesting...
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May 28, 2013 07:48
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Whoa whoa whoa, no Mail? As in no RSS Feeds? That's odd, but I wasn't planning on switching over wholesale right away anyway. It's weird to me because I always thought they should expand Mail (well, the Feed portion of it anyway), and I've always preferred it to using Google Reader or any of the other browsers' systems. There's not even a trash system for Feeds!
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May 28, 2013 07:56
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Startacus posted:Opera 15 just dropped in Next: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/opera-next-15-0-released What else has changed except for removing the mail clent? The product information page they link to "For all the latest information on the features" is useless. Also  at suddenly skipping two major version numbers.e: Here are some quotes from the comments: quote:No searches. quote:- Favicons in the address bar are gone again. quote:No mail, no dragonfly, no side-tabs, no IRC... quote:First, what I liked: No rocker gestures. Wheany fucked around with this message at 10:13 on May 28, 2013 |
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May 28, 2013 09:54
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Oh man,  are they smoking? Some of that can be dismissed as bug/limitation of an early version (moving tabs left) but it seems that they just deliberately gutted a bunch of nice and useful features.
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May 28, 2013 10:32
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Skipping two version levels is hilarious. Why on earth do browsers have this insane version number contest amongst each other? We're now up to Opera 15, Firefox 23, Internet Explorer 11 and Chrome 27. Those are version numbers of their newest betas.
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May 28, 2013 10:51
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quote:- no UI customization possible (move buttons, use full skins) 
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May 28, 2013 10:53
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Here is a better link of what has changed: http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/2013/05/28/a-first-peek-at-opera-15-for-computers Asimo posted:Isn't this like 90% of the reason anyone still uses Opera over Chrome or Firefox? Basically I think it can be summarised like this: If Opera is similar to other browsers, why use Opera?
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May 28, 2013 10:54
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What. Why would they even call it Opera. This is the worst joke. I'm actually reading the blog update and while i expected to be baffled i'm genuinely surprised by how much it appalls me, on a silly, irrational "it's just a stupid computer program, why would an adult even care that much" level. Not sure about the stash thing (seems like an earlier "tab safe" extension) or the public bookmark discover stuff, but it also invalidated all existing extensions? quote:Other features missing from the first release of Opera based on Chromium will be evaluated and potentially re-instated in future releases. edit: Comments indicate that these are also missing: quote:cached image, quote:Ctrl+U does not bring up the "classic View Source", Opera's view source mode allowed developers modify the source of the page reload it, which was great for quickly debugging problems. RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 11:09 on May 28, 2013 |
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May 28, 2013 11:04
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Wheany posted:Basically I think it can be summarised like this: If Opera is similar to other browsers, why use Opera? RoadCrewWorker posted:This is PR lingo for "don't hold your loving breath" isn't it? Ah well. Is there any way to make firefox open a new tab with ctrl+n instead of ctrl+t, because this is 2013 for gently caress's sake and I'm going to open tabs about a thousand times more often than I am windows? 
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May 28, 2013 11:08
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Wow. I didn't even know about the Ctrl+U (view source page) that enabled you to directly apply the changes in the source code -or if I knew I somehow forgot- and now I'm missing it already. I am glad they released this Next version, to see where Opera is heading to (and it's not all bad), but I'll be furious if the stable release is just small security/stability fixes upon this one. Let it take them six months of snapshot builds, I don't care; there's a lot of features that need to come back or be optimized to work as well as in the 12.15 (or 11.64 build). All or most of them already stated in the blog posts comments section. I do want a decent bookmarks manager back, wand password manager, quick tab switching, per page settings, keyboard and mouse shortcuts customization, links manager, opera link to name but a few. I don't care that much about separating the M2 client. I only used the RSS reader/manager feature, so I am unhappy about that, but this will probably come back (I don't think they are that fixed on not having a such a basic browsing feature). However, wasn't Opera supposed to be sort of a "swiss army knife" kind of browser? Wasn't the future of browsers supposed to be an application that would fit all/most of your web related needs?
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Not sure about the stash thing (seems like an earlier "tab safe" extension) or the public bookmark discover stuff, but it also invalidated all existing extensions? I'm not sure what the difference between this stash thing and bookmarks even is. Edit: from reading that blog entry, that is. I didn't download the snapshot.
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May 28, 2013 11:35
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May 28, 2013 12:19
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I think I agree with whatever comments-poster who said they need to post some type of roadmap. It's fine to put out something missing most of the distinctive features if people at least know they're going to come back, but folks aren't going to hold out for something they don't know will happen. I just want a functional rendering engine with tabs on the left side and stacking/pinning; why is this so hard? I'm pretty sure I can live without almost everything else. Mouse gestures would be next on the list.
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May 28, 2013 12:44
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I just want a browser that can be set to scroll pages by pressing right mouse button+mouse wheel like Opera supports but no other browser supports that and Opera 15 doesn't either, goddamn.
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May 28, 2013 13:00
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Kassad posted:I'm not sure what the difference between this stash thing and bookmarks even is. Instead of bookmarks you now have a stash - which, if you actually have a lot of bookmarks, is pretty much unusable. Bad things (that haven't been mentioned yet) No more ctrl+enter to fill in the www and .com of a domain name. Close buttons on all tabs, with no way to remove them. No more bookmarks, just stash. Speed Dial now has an even bigger Google search bar. The address bar has acted as a search bar for years; we never needed the search bar there at all. The menu of recently closed pages includes Speed Dial pages  Unfortunately, if this release follows their release cycle over the past few years, they won't be putting many (any?) of the missing features back. Lakitu7 posted:Mouse gestures would be next on the list. Mouse gestures, at least, are there and feel like they should to me.
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May 28, 2013 13:15
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flappin fish posted:Instead of bookmarks you now have a stash - which, if you actually have a lot of bookmarks, is pretty much unusable. Well, they say Speed Dial (which now has folders) is meant to replace bookmarks, and stash is a separate thing (which I can't see the point of, because I leave things open in tabs so I remember about them, if I didn't want to leave them open I'd bookmark them). Kind of interesting how varying people's 'I can't use Opera without this' lists are but I guess that's in line with the swiss army knife comment above.
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May 28, 2013 13:21
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Wheany posted:Here is a better link of what has changed: quote:Just like on Opera 14 for Android, we've merged bookmarks into Speed Dial, which give you a visual overview of your favorite pages. You can now group Speed Dials together into folders, just by dragging one on top of the other — if you want, you can name the folder via a simple right-click. What the hell does this mean? How do you merge bookmarks and speed dial? Does this mean that all bookmarks will now appear on the speed dial page whether you want them to or not? quote:Do you sometimes find yourself browsing the web, and coming across pages you want to save for later — e.g. a list of favorite gadgets on Amazon, or a selection of hotels on a booking site? This always posed a problem in the past, and many were using their tab bar to hold tabs for later use. With Opera 15, you can Stash a page, and return to it when you have time. Isn't this what bookmarks are for? How is "Stashing" something different from bookmarking it?
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May 28, 2013 13:28
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flappin fish posted:Mouse gestures, at least, are there and feel like they should to me. That's good. I swear one of the random user comments I read said otherwise. I admit I won't get to try it until I get home from work today. But in this case I was more trying to list the main things I care about in a browser, generally.
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May 28, 2013 13:29
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Yeah, the army knife attitude was the strongest appeal for me, butquote:Opera 15 doesn't include the M2 mail client. Not all current Opera customers use M2, so to simplify the UI even further and reduce the footprint of the program, we've decided to split it out into a separate product I'm not sure i get this particular line of reasoning, since you've been able to use startup parameters or configuration to disable rss or mail functionality and remove all corresponding elements from the UI for years.
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May 28, 2013 13:32
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Yeah, the army knife attitude was the strongest appeal for me, but What it actually means is "We are reskinning Chrome and it does not have a mail client"
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May 28, 2013 13:45
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It's gone. It's all gone My attempts at mashing opera 9.2 compatible keyboard shortcuts were futile. Looks like I'm stuck on Opera 12 for the rest of my life
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May 28, 2013 14:48
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What is the point of this? We already have a dumbed down browser with webkit for people and it is called CHROME. There is no sidebar, tab groups, bookmarks bar, notes, per site preferences, load plugins on demand, or content blocking. As a bonus they are using the lovely Chrome font rendering. That's a total waste of time for me, I might as well use IE10. Edit: It actually crashes on uninstall. Riso fucked around with this message at 15:10 on May 28, 2013 |
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May 28, 2013 15:07
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Well at least it looks like Opera Link is getting a make-over, which is only something like three years overdue.
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ufarn posted:Well at least it looks like Opera Link is getting a make-over, which is only something like three years overdue. The monkey's paw curse is that you have to use Opera 15 to use it. That version number just annoys me so much. You just couldn't go with opera 13 because it's the unlucky number, right? Oh wait, this year is Opera's 15 year anniversary or something, isn't it?
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I actually switched to Chrome for daily use a while back and Opera 15 is actually impressing the hell out of me. It is insanely quick and I like the new UI a lot. Most of the features from Opera 12 that are missing weren't that important to me because I lost them when I switched to Chrome anyway, although I understand why other folks would be upset. And it does have plugins-on-demand, by the way. Chrome's had that for a while and this is a similar implementation. I suspect that Opera are hoping/expecting/praying that a lot of their old features that were used by a limited audience (like the notes system) will be replicated through extensions, since you can apparently port Chrome extensions fairly easily. I understand that as a business decision but it does kind of suck for those people who were using them.
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