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Glamorama26 posted:That or the 6 months of "Mideon to get new in ring attire!" updates. And finally he did get it. Naked Mideon 
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Do we have a name for Amrbose's finisher yet? According to wiki, it's a Headlock Driver, but have they given any official name? For some reason, Justice For All popped in my head (I think because he screamed "JUSTICE!" on RAW) and I really like that.
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So the Piggie James angle happened while I was out of wrestling. What was it about the angle that made it so bad? I gather that at the least LayCool was making fun of James' weight which is obviously ludicrous, but sometimes people's reaction to the mention of the angle makes it seem like it was even worse than just the bullying.
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May 29, 2013 13:33
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The big thing I remember was Mickie selling it by crying and generally treating it like they had a point, rather than doing the remotely sensible thing and shrugging Laycool off/demolishing the both of them/pointing out that Michelle McCool had a history of bulimia and even in better days looked like she weighed about 90 pounds.
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May 29, 2013 13:52
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DeathChicken posted:The big thing I remember was Mickie selling it by crying and generally treating it like they had a point, rather than doing the remotely sensible thing and shrugging Laycool off/demolishing the both of them/pointing out that Michelle McCool had a history of bulimia and even in better days looked like she weighed about 90 pounds. Wow an uncool attack on Michelle McCool's body image. I personally think all humans are beautiful in their own way.
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May 29, 2013 13:58
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Hirams Bitch posted:Wow an uncool attack on Michelle McCool's body image. I personally think all humans are beautiful in their own way. Please describe the ways in which The Miz is beautiful.
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May 29, 2013 14:09
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Require More Fire posted:Please describe the ways in which The Miz is beautiful. One day his body will decay and he will wither and die.
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May 29, 2013 14:13
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Require More Fire posted:So the Piggie James angle happened while I was out of wrestling. What was it about the angle that made it so bad? I gather that at the least LayCool was making fun of James' weight which is obviously ludicrous, but sometimes people's reaction to the mention of the angle makes it seem like it was even worse than just the bullying. I think the thing that made it so bad in particular were rumors that the angle was meant as a dig by management at James who they thought was overweight.
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May 29, 2013 14:51
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Why does Miz have that coat? It looks like it was leftover from when The Brood joined The Ministry.
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May 29, 2013 14:51
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DeathChicken posted:The big thing I remember was Mickie selling it by crying and generally treating it like they had a point... I also don't recall the announcers doing much to contradict what Laycool said, either.
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May 29, 2013 15:00
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DeathChicken posted:The big thing I remember was Mickie selling it by crying and generally treating it like they had a point, rather than doing the remotely sensible thing and shrugging Laycool off/demolishing the both of them/pointing out that Michelle McCool had a history of bulimia and even in better days looked like she weighed about 90 pounds. So people disliked Piggy James because she actually sold what heels did as bothering her instead of not giving a crap, thus making their match meaningless instead of a grudge match where Mickie completely destroyed them both in a very satisfying conclusion?
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May 29, 2013 15:21
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No, they disliked Piggy James because Mickie sold the fat jokes as if she actually was fat. It'd be kind of like if Triple H ran down Mcgillicurtis and said he wasn't in his league, and Axel sobbed, said he was right and ran away.
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May 29, 2013 15:26
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Great White Hope posted:So people disliked Piggy James because she actually sold what heels did as bothering her instead of not giving a crap, thus making their match meaningless instead of a grudge match where Mickie completely destroyed them both in a very satisfying conclusion? This debate never really goes well for this forum, but here's my two cents: I hate diva feuds based around "You so fat", because it's a stupid basis for a feud. Men never feud about these things in WWE, neither should women. I know weight is a touchy issue with a lot of women, I just don't trust WWE at all to handle it in a mature way. So just leave it all be, feud about spilling coffee or Japanese hair commercials or something.
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May 29, 2013 15:26
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I mean, I get why people might have been upset at the time, but people still treat it today like it was the most horrible thing. It's like everyone forgets that the feud ended when Mickie beat both of them in something like a 5 second match. Also X-Pac totally made fun of Mark Henry's weight, but I don't see anyone being furious at WWE for that. Mark Henry didn't even get to squad that meanie X-Pac in response.
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May 29, 2013 15:30
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Great White Hope posted:I mean, I get why people might have been upset at the time, but people still treat it today like it was the most horrible thing. It's like everyone forgets that the feud ended when Mickie beat both of them in something like a 5 second match. The worst was still the Molly Holly angle.
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May 29, 2013 15:32
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Great White Hope posted:I mean, I get why people might have been upset at the time, but people still treat it today like it was the most horrible thing. It's like everyone forgets that the feud ended when Mickie beat both of them in something like a 5 second match. Did it though? I was reading Mickie's entry on Wikipedia, and it looks like the feud dragged on, with Vickie getting involved and her & Laycool beating Mickie's team at Wrestlemania. Then Mickie won the following night on Raw, then LayCool beat her again on Smackdown before she left the company. Maybe they weren't still calling her fat at this point, who knows. And yes, X-Pac made fun of Mark Henry's weight in a skit 15 years ago, check and mate.
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May 29, 2013 15:35
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You can be as evil a heel as possible, punting people in the head, trying to legitimately murder them by auto accident, breaking other wrestler's body parts and then bragging about it a week later, but the second you imply a female may be carrying a few extra pounds it's over the line.
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May 29, 2013 15:36
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It was really stupid when Natalya started crying this week on Raw just because the Bellas condescendingly sang Happy Birthday at her too. Some things are just stupid.
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Hamass posted:You can be as evil a heel as possible, punting people in the head, trying to legitimately murder them by auto accident, breaking other wrestler's body parts and then bragging about it a week later, but the second you imply a female may be carrying a few extra pounds it's over the line. There is a difference between "implying a female may be carrying a few extra pounds" and "creating an entire angle about shaming a woman for her weight" Especially when the women in question are usually in better shape than most women out there It's lazy storytelling that alienates a chunk of your potential audience. Why bother doing it? No guy is going to turn off the TV because HHH tries to run over Stone Cold, but I guarantee women roll their eyes and tune out as soon as you have a group of people mocking Vickie for being fat. Anyway, I really need to exit this debate, as I said it never goes well. I don't want to come off as white knighting, I just don't get people who defend these angles.
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May 29, 2013 15:42
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triplexpac posted:Did it though? I was reading Mickie's entry on Wikipedia, and it looks like the feud dragged on, with Vickie getting involved and her & Laycool beating Mickie's team at Wrestlemania. Then Mickie won the following night on Raw, then LayCool beat her again on Smackdown before she left the company. I think the post-squash stuff was just 'I dislike you, you dislike me, let's fight', but if I'm forgetting something about a Divas feud it wouldn't be the first time. And I was joking about Mark Henry/X-Pac, even if X-Pac was a big jerk to poor, poor, Mizark Henry.  triplexpac posted:Anyway, I really need to exit this debate, as I said it never goes well. I don't want to come off as white knighting, I just don't get people who defend these angles. I wasn't so much trying to defend the angle as thinking "It's not like it was Molly Holly, Mickie won the feud in dominating fashion in the end!" But as I said, if I forgot something then oh well my memory sucks then. I guess my point is more of a generic "Heels being bad people and faces getting upset at heels being mean to them is ok if it ends with the face standing tall and happy at the end" rather than "Yes more fat angles! I love fat angles!" rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 15:47 on May 29, 2013 |
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May 29, 2013 15:43
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triplexpac posted:There is a difference between "implying a female may be carrying a few extra pounds" and "creating an entire angle about shaming a woman for her weight" People complained about it and they haven't done one since. They've even had King/Cena tone down the Vickie fat jokes. Laycool's gimmick were that they were petty, popular, cunty little bitches the audience was supposed to hate. Like it or not, girls like that who randomly make fun of other girls for being fat exist in drat near every high school. The audience looks at Mickie James and knows she's not fat, but sees the bullying is affecting her anyway. Thus, the audience sympathizes with Mickie and hopes she gets her revenge on Laycool. Again, the angle didn't work because of the backlash from the fans, but far, far, far worse heel things have been done in wrestling.
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May 29, 2013 15:49
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triplexpac posted:There is a difference between "implying a female may be carrying a few extra pounds" and "creating an entire angle about shaming a woman for her weight"
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For what it's worth, Big David Meltzer repeatedly stated the Piggy James angle was a direct result of management's feelings about Mickie James at the time, as in, SHE'S FAT.
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May 29, 2013 16:30
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WWE is a misogynistic organization.
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May 29, 2013 18:59
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LividLiquid posted:WWE is a misogynistic organization. You think so, doctor? I mean, I'm not sure anybody can name a diva who didn't get humiliated at some point.
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May 29, 2013 19:01
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Piggy James isn't even a good rhyme. You got to kinda force it. It should have been Mickie Gains (weight).
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El Gallinero Gros posted:You think so, doctor? But yes, obviously.
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May 29, 2013 19:11
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Great White Hope posted:I mean, I get why people might have been upset at the time, but people still treat it today like it was the most horrible thing. It's like everyone forgets that the feud ended when Mickie beat both of them in something like a 5 second match. The reason it is bad for Mickie and not for Mark is because there are girls and women in the world who see themselves as a "similar build" to Mickie. Not many men can compare their size to Mark Henry (whether he is fat vs muscled the gently caress out). Then they hear Mickie is fat and they think they are fat too, so they try to fix their perfectly healthy body. Some go so far as eating disorders. While there are surely boys and men who have eating disorders, girls and women are far more susceptible to them due to constant pressure from the media and pop culture. Wrestling should be an escape, not another entity that kills your self esteem. It might be a double standard, but it's one with facts to back up why it is "more acceptable" to insult overweight men vs women.
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May 29, 2013 19:18
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Whole lot of bad posts. Move on from the terrible piggy james angle.
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May 29, 2013 19:31
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What's the biggest wrestling angle that ended up fizzling out & not actually going anywhere? One that I can think of is the way DX in 2000 never actually broke up, they just kind of drifted apart after months of being the focal point of the show.
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May 29, 2013 19:34
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triplexpac posted:What's the biggest wrestling angle that ended up fizzling out & not actually going anywhere? NWO. It never really ended it just fizzled out. Then came back.
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May 29, 2013 19:36
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While the NWO did just fizzle out, at least it went places. I would say the biggest angle that never went anywhere AND just fizzled out despite months of hype was the reveal of the "Higher Power".
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May 29, 2013 19:40
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Shiki Dan posted:While the NWO did just fizzle out, at least it went places. The Higher Power had a payoff, it just wasn't a good one. The resulting Corporate Ministry itself was never blown off though.
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jeffersonlives posted:The Higher Power had a payoff, it just wasn't a good one. The resulting Corporate Ministry itself was never blown off though. Yeah, I think that might have been because Undertaker got injured around that time. He was teaming with Big Show, got put on the shelf, and came back as Bikertaker.
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triplexpac posted:What's the biggest wrestling angle that ended up fizzling out & not actually going anywhere? I think the Invasion angle is way up there. WWE buys out its only competition, acquires a ton of major talent, a lot of dream matches and a very long-term and lucrative storyline were possible... and then it just became another McMahon feud where the Alliance was almost never allowed to look good, did one successful PPV and was blown off by Survivor Series that year.
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May 29, 2013 20:13
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triplexpac posted:What's the biggest wrestling angle that ended up fizzling out & not actually going anywhere? Got to be the NWO. I was gonna say either Black Scorpion (lovely resolution) or Lita/Edge/Hardy (weird resolution) but they got wound up I guess. Possibly the Nexus.
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Timbers Jim posted:Got to be the NWO. I was gonna say either Black Scorpion (lovely resolution) or Lita/Edge/Hardy (weird resolution) but they got wound up I guess. Possibly the Nexus. You could at least say that the first Nexus "ended" when Punk ousted Wade as the leader.
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Cardboard Box posted:I think the Invasion angle is way up there. WWE buys out its only competition, acquires a ton of major talent, a lot of dream matches and a very long-term and lucrative storyline were possible... and then it just became another McMahon feud where the Alliance was almost never allowed to look good, did one successful PPV and was blown off by Survivor Series that year. I think saying that WWE acquired "a ton of major talent" is a bit misleading. Not to say there wasn't talent there or they couldn't have done alot more to get more people, but the initial WCW talent that was brought over wasn't exactly stacked with huge names and great workers.
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When Misawa died, did the WWE acknowledge it at all? He never wrestled for them, but he was a big name who's death was directly linked to an in-ring accident.
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Cardboard Box posted:I think the Invasion angle is way up there. WWE buys out its only competition, acquires a ton of major talent, a lot of dream matches and a very long-term and lucrative storyline were possible... and then it just became another McMahon feud where the Alliance was almost never allowed to look good, did one successful PPV and was blown off by Survivor Series that year. Well that doesn't really count as a storyline that "doesn't go anywhere". It had a payoff match, at the very least.
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