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Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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So N. Korea shot some missiles into the ocean or something?

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CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen
Maybe they got mad that the Boston marathon took everyone's attention away from them and we all forgot to give a poo poo again afterward.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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CronoGamer posted:

Maybe they got mad that the Boston marathon took everyone's attention away from them and we all forgot to give a poo poo again afterward.

I'm hoping they're following Hashimoto's reasoning and are like, "Well, the US nuked Japan, therefore"

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.
I kind of wonder how Hashimoto would react if somebody told him "Imperial Japanese soldiers needed comfort women...just like Japan needed to be nuked twice for its own good"?

Traveller
Jan 6, 2012

WHIM AND FOPPERY

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

I kind of wonder how Hashimoto would react if somebody told him "Imperial Japanese soldiers needed comfort women...just like Japan needed to be nuked twice for its own good"?

I like to think it would degenerate into this.

NaanViolence
Mar 1, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo
Retarded Japanese politicians need to stop giving the CCP so many easy soundbites for their propaganda. People here in China don't understand civil society, so it's very easy for the state to convince them that ALL JAPANESE DEVILS THINK THIS WAY.

Kenishi
Nov 18, 2010
This fits closer to old men screwing each other than politics (but I guess they are one and the same in Japan). I'm finding this pretty amusing.

"Bloomberg posted:

Sony rebuffs a proposal from hedge-fund investor Daniel Loeb for the company to sell off its entertainment divisions and focus on hardware.

Sony CEO Kazuo Hirai has 100 billion reasons -- the market value in dollars the company has lost since 2000 -- to consider the American’s plea to bring more focus to Sony’s disjointed businesses. Yet Hirai is unmoved. Why? Even though Loeb holds a sizable $1.1 billion stake in the company, Hirai knows a critical mass of domestic investors, the ones who really matter, are certain to support him against any brash outsider.

You take the above and then read this article from the 20th.
Little sign Abe can shake up Japan's inbound FDI

So Japan wants more people to invest in Japan, but why on earth should anyone invest when Japan's boards and investors are just going to strong arm any suggestions out of the way simply because "You don't understand Japan!! :japan:"

Cliff Racer
Mar 24, 2007

by Lowtax
Well to be fair I don't think that plan is a good idea anyway, Sony's movies and music divisions shouldn't have a hard time turning a profit, even if times are a little rough for them currently. Any time a hedge fund manager suggests downsizing my mind always immediately goes to the thought that he wants a quick payday over long-term stability.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Eh so the Nikkei just blew up, closed 7.3% down for the day on Chinese manufacturing news.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
Oh, looks like the Japanese legislature approved plans for a national ID system (sorry, couldn't find English right away). It will go into effect in 2016 and link voting, insurance, pension and all that stuff together. I don't know how it stands as far as our SS number and other countries' national numbers though.

Also Hashimoto apologized for saying that Okinawa needs legal prostitution to stop people from being raped by Americans. Its all water under the bridge, right?

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
At least Abe stopped talking about Chinese and Korean women for a bit.

Women protest against Abe’s plan of childbirth handbook

Japan Press posted:

The New Japan Women’s Association on May 8 submitted a statement to the government in protest against the plan to distribute handbooks dealing with pregnancy and childbirth as a means to encourage young women to have children.

Prime Minister Abe Shinzo claims that the so-called “women’s handbook” is a key measure to tackle the low birthrate in Japan. The government plans to give out the handbooks that show the disadvantages of late child-bearing in order to persuade young women to avoid late marriage and delayed maternity.

The statement criticizes the prime minister for intentionally ignoring the real reason why young people are shying away from having children. It stressed that in order to stimulate the birthrate, the government should take measures to increase wages, create stable jobs, build more children’s daycare centers, improve the child-care leave system, and shorten working hours.

It also points out that the handbook is unacceptable from the viewpoint of women’s reproductive rights, the idea that women have rights to decide whether to have a child, when to get pregnant, and how many children to have.

The women’s group demands that the government immediately abandon the plan to distribute the handbook and take measures to help young couples to obtain decent work conditions that will enable a balancing of work and child-rearing responsibilites.

mai waifu posted:

And this is why Japanese women don't get married to Japanese men and have children.

Get out of Japan, Japanese girls! Your country's men are horrible, especially the government leaders.

Run!

Now personally, I think she's just biased against Japanese men. :smug:

I just cannot imagine a set of circumstances that would make me ever want my daughter to grow up or live in that country. I wonder how many Japanese men would actually understand why?

mystes
May 31, 2006

ocrumsprug posted:

At least Abe stopped talking about Chinese and Korean women for a bit.
On the other hand, Hashimoto held a really stupid 2.5 hour press conference about his dumb comments concerning the comfort women issue.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

mystes posted:

On the other hand, Hashimoto held a really stupid 2.5 hour press conference about his dumb comments concerning the comfort women issue.

If they didn't talk about that, they would have to come to terms with what their demographics actually means for their society. If I was a tired old man with no ideas, I would be pretty tempted to :godwin: that conversation too. Unfortunately I know better than to think it is a clever ploy to provide a distraction. It is just another aspect of shockingly terrible Japanese attitudes towards women on display.

I am more stunned by how the population tolerates it.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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ocrumsprug posted:

I just cannot imagine a set of circumstances that would make me ever want my daughter to grow up or live in that country. I wonder how many Japanese men would actually understand why?

We've only got a boy, but just thinking about raising a girl here is pissing me off.

Womacks-JP-23
May 15, 2013



Party support stats are insane

Womacks-JP-23 fucked around with this message at 01:53 on May 30, 2013

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."
Those kinds of stats are pretty normal for Japan, really. Whenever a new guy gets in he'll have lukewarm approval ratings closely rivaled by "Who the gently caress cares?" responses, eventually tapering off to somewhere in the teens/low twenties until he gets turfed out and the cycle starts over again. There are anomalous cases, but dudes who crater spectacularly before they can even get their business cards back from the printer are more common than guys who consistently stayed above 50%.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Not to mention we can expect to see support for Abe/LDP crumble once "Abenomics" fails.

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."
It'll happen regardless. People weren't terribly fond of him the first time around, they're just pissed about the DPJ sneaking in the (horribly regressive) sales tax hike after promising they wouldn't.

Womacks-JP-23
May 15, 2013

Protocol 5 posted:

Those kinds of stats are pretty normal for Japan, really. Whenever a new guy gets in he'll have lukewarm approval ratings closely rivaled by "Who the gently caress cares?" responses, eventually tapering off to somewhere in the teens/low twenties until he gets turfed out and the cycle starts over again. There are anomalous cases, but dudes who crater spectacularly before they can even get their business cards back from the printer are more common than guys who consistently stayed above 50%.



Abe holding on pretty well so far.

hitension
Feb 14, 2005


Hey guys, I learned Chinese so that I can write shame in another language
2% of Japan are Communists?

MaterialConceptual
Jan 18, 2011

"It is rather that precisely in that which is newest the face of the world never alters, that this newest remains, in every aspect, the same. - This constitutes the eternity of hell."

-Walter Benjamin, "The Arcades Project"

hitension posted:

2% of Japan are Communists?

Yeah the JCP is one of the largest non-governing Communist parties in the world.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
The only thing their posters ever say are "make Japan a great place!" and "protect article 9!" though.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

hitension posted:

2% of Japan are Communists?
Too bad they got that hardon for N-Korea. :v:

mystes
May 31, 2006

Samurai Sanders posted:

The only thing their posters ever say are "make Japan a great place!" and "protect article 9!" though.
And anti-nuclear stuff, right? That's got to get them a few votes.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

ocrumsprug posted:

I am more stunned by how the population tolerates it.

Putting up with terrible, senseless bullshit is basically the national sport of Japan.

Ganguro King
Jul 26, 2007

I've seen anti-consumption-tax-increase posters, anti-TPP posters (popular in the inaka), and "Let's stop being America's bitch" posters as well. The JCP is pretty active around where I live, but also pretty ineffectual.

Elec
Feb 25, 2007
Japan had a sizable socialist/communist community after the war into the 70s, and a few writers who were arrested for it. I bring this up but of course I don't remember any of the authors' names, I just remember reading a few in college. Things weren't very pretty though; you may have heard of a politician named Asanuma, who was assassinated with a sword on live TV. Then of course there was the Japanese Red Army and other similar groups that caused riots, bombed some places, hijacked some planes, etc. It's pretty wild stuff to read about.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

Ganguro King posted:

"Let's stop being America's bitch" posters


Elec posted:

Japan had a sizable socialist/communist community after the war into the 70s, and a few writers who were arrested for it. I bring this up but of course I don't remember any of the authors' names, I just remember reading a few in college. Things weren't very pretty though; you may have heard of a politician named Asanuma, who was assassinated with a sword on live TV. Then of course there was the Japanese Red Army and other similar groups that caused riots, bombed some places, hijacked some planes, etc. It's pretty wild stuff to read about.

Japan was nuts back in the day. The police used to get injured all the time during protests, including a bunch dying during the anti-Narita protests.

Sheep fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 30, 2013

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
Huh, I've never seen that one. I don't suppose it's only found in Okinawa or otherwise near US military bases?

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

Samurai Sanders posted:

Huh, I've never seen that one. I don't suppose it's only found in Okinawa or otherwise near US military bases?

Oita, of all places. Took it like 30 seconds from my front door. Maybe they just want me to leave? I dunno.

Don't ask me why there's a Shisa on it.

Womacks-JP-23
May 15, 2013

Sheep posted:


Don't ask me why there's a Shisa on it.

Shisa = solidarity with Okinawa which bears most of the US base burden
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Sheep
Jul 24, 2003

Womacks-JP-23 posted:

Shisa = solidarity with Okinawa which bears most of the US base burden
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Given how little solidarity there has been between the "mainland" and the Ryukyus historically, I think that might be a bit of a stretch. I would think it's more likely to be hinting at "get out, America" in the military sense and just willfully ignoring the Chugoku/Kanto bases.

Edit: but then again none of us (I presume) work for the JCP so what do we know.

Sheep fucked around with this message at 16:36 on May 30, 2013

Samuelthebold
Jul 9, 2007
Astra Superstar
Remember that Kyle Bass talk from last March? If anyone is interested, here is another relatively recent video by Christine Hughes, a capital manager, that goes over basically the same points and draws many of the same conclusions. Unlike the Kyle Bass video, this has easily visible charts and graphs to illustrate the claims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3TyfKTeNE

Apologies if this has been posted before.

I've lived and worked in Japan for about six years, and somewhat recently I've changed most of my savings out of yen. Needless to say, hiccups like last Thursday aside, I anticipate that the yen will continue to lose its value. While I don't expect a sudden default anytime too terribly soon, I just can't imagine how the yen could move the other way anymore.

Does anyone feel otherwise?

mystes
May 31, 2006

Samuelthebold posted:

Remember that Kyle Bass talk from last March? If anyone is interested, here is another relatively recent video by Christine Hughes, a capital manager, that goes over basically the same points and draws many of the same conclusions. Unlike the Kyle Bass video, this has easily visible charts and graphs to illustrate the claims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3TyfKTeNE

Apologies if this has been posted before.

I've lived and worked in Japan for about six years, and somewhat recently I've changed most of my savings out of yen. Needless to say, hiccups like last Thursday aside, I anticipate that the yen will continue to lose its value. While I don't expect a sudden default anytime too terribly soon, I just can't imagine how the yen could move the other way anymore.

Does anyone feel otherwise?
Well if you're 100% sure the yen is going to continue to depreciate, congratulations! You can make a lot of money!

Madd0g11
Jun 14, 2002
Bitter Vet
Lipstick Apathy
It will collapse in as spectacular poo poo fest. Not today, not tomorrow. But this house of cards we live in will fall.

Samuelthebold
Jul 9, 2007
Astra Superstar

mystes posted:

Well if you're 100% sure the yen is going to continue to depreciate, congratulations! You can make a lot of money!

If only. The amount I know that I don't know about economics makes me scared to do anything really risky, no matter how good the payoff might be. I've never been a gambler anyway. But taking my money out of Yen for the time being seems risky not to do.

If it ever goes back to 90 Yen to the dollar, I'll maybe switch it back to yen. But I don't expect that to happen.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Cliff Racer posted:

Well to be fair I don't think that plan is a good idea anyway, Sony's movies and music divisions shouldn't have a hard time turning a profit, even if times are a little rough for them currently. Any time a hedge fund manager suggests downsizing my mind always immediately goes to the thought that he wants a quick payday over long-term stability.
Yeah, it's one of those rare cases where I side with local mendacity against foreign corruption. Granted, Sony has hosed itself up bigtime, but it's not going to be helped by selling off physical/brand assets and focusing on the ephemeral world of entertainment. Anytime someone in finance gives you advice not 100% relevant only to finance, run the other way, especially if they've got money on the table.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Samuelthebold posted:

Remember that Kyle Bass talk from last March? If anyone is interested, here is another relatively recent video by Christine Hughes, a capital manager, that goes over basically the same points and draws many of the same conclusions. Unlike the Kyle Bass video, this has easily visible charts and graphs to illustrate the claims.

Apologies if this has been posted before.

I've lived and worked in Japan for about six years, and somewhat recently I've changed most of my savings out of yen. Needless to say, hiccups like last Thursday aside, I anticipate that the yen will continue to lose its value. While I don't expect a sudden default anytime too terribly soon, I just can't imagine how the yen could move the other way anymore.

Does anyone feel otherwise?

I haven't watched the whole thing but: does she really address the cultural mechanism that backs up Japanese debt, Japanese banks are involved with the government and the debt only becomes an issue when their refuse to buy more bonds. Japan holds a large amount of debt, to itself but it is ultimately up to the banks to decide not to buy more bonds. I think the European example is not valid at all btw due to this, Greece is completely reliant on outside loans, especially loans from predatory organizations like the ECB/IMF.

The Playstation 4 has gotten pretty good reception today, but I don't know if one good sector is going to balance out the other rotten ones.

Samuelthebold
Jul 9, 2007
Astra Superstar
The 2nd half of that video is probably the most informative, so I recommend finishing it.

I can believe that the Japanese "home bias" will be significant going forward. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the BOJ sits on bond interest rates right through its promised inflation and the biggest institutions put up with it.

It's also worth mentioning that the recent growth and renewed strength in exports should help keep things going for a while as well.

But if that video is correct, the willingness of their institutions doesn't matter. With almost 30% of tax revenue going to debt interest payments alone (60% of revenue to total debt service!), even if their banks are willing to buy more bonds, the government shouldn't sell them because of how close they are to default.


There are a few inescapable factors that point to serious trouble, mostly linked to the population decline:

1. The taxpaying workforce is shrinking while the number of dependents is growing, both evermore rapidly. It's very hard to cut spending or raise revenues in this situation, so there isn't much hope for consolidation. Not to mention, it would be political suicide.

2. As of last year, banks and financial institutions are no longer growing, as the Japanese people are now net de-savers rather than net savers. There may still be leeway to buy bonds for now, but as more people withdraw their money, the banks will actually have to sell their bonds. So will the big pension funds.

3. The graph at 18:00 in that video is also the one that Kyle Bass was saying is the most important. It shows how even with interest rates going down, total bond interest payments are going up. To the best of my understanding, there really isn't any way to stop this without doing something truly extreme.

4. As long as the government needs more than they bring in through taxes, they either have to go deeper into debt or create new money. They're at the point where going much further into debt could easily bankrupt them (see above), but creating new money at the rate they are now is not sustainable either without causing heavy devaluation of the yen.


Here's my own gut feeling about the home bias: The general public will change their attitude if/when the status of bond profitability moves from "you make a little less money with JGBs" to "you will actually lose money with JGBs". But I do think home bias will prevent those in power from loving everyone over with a full default. Thus, whether or not they can control it, they're going to just print all the money they need and inflate the poo poo out of the yen, starting now.

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Samuelthebold posted:

The 2nd half of that video is probably the most informative, so I recommend finishing it.

I can believe that the Japanese "home bias" will be significant going forward. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the BOJ sits on bond interest rates right through its promised inflation and the biggest institutions put up with it.

It's also worth mentioning that the recent growth and renewed strength in exports should help keep things going for a while as well.

But if that video is correct, the willingness of their institutions doesn't matter. With almost 30% of tax revenue going to debt interest payments alone (60% of revenue to total debt service!), even if their banks are willing to buy more bonds, the government shouldn't sell them because of how close they are to default.


There are a few inescapable factors that point to serious trouble, mostly linked to the population decline:

1. The taxpaying workforce is shrinking while the number of dependents is growing, both evermore rapidly. It's very hard to cut spending or raise revenues in this situation, so there isn't much hope for consolidation. Not to mention, it would be political suicide.

2. As of last year, banks and financial institutions are no longer growing, as the Japanese people are now net de-savers rather than net savers. There may still be leeway to buy bonds for now, but as more people withdraw their money, the banks will actually have to sell their bonds. So will the big pension funds.

3. The graph at 18:00 in that video is also the one that Kyle Bass was saying is the most important. It shows how even with interest rates going down, total bond interest payments are going up. To the best of my understanding, there really isn't any way to stop this without doing something truly extreme.

4. As long as the government needs more than they bring in through taxes, they either have to go deeper into debt or create new money. They're at the point where going much further into debt could easily bankrupt them (see above), but creating new money at the rate they are now is not sustainable either without causing heavy devaluation of the yen.


Here's my own gut feeling about the home bias: The general public will change their attitude if/when the status of bond profitability moves from "you make a little less money with JGBs" to "you will actually lose money with JGBs". But I do think home bias will prevent those in power from loving everyone over with a full default. Thus, whether or not they can control it, they're going to just print all the money they need and inflate the poo poo out of the yen, starting now.

Ultimately, their shrinking population is going to doom them in the long-run, but I think it is a long term problem of simply not enough productive humans alive to pay down the debt and an unwillingness to import them but there is a strong cultural bias against it.

What I am skeptical is, how immediate such an inflationary spiral would be (people take cash out of bonds, so we just print more money) since growth like you said would tamper down the process and the video doesn't really address that directly.

Ultimately as long as the working population is shrinking Japan has a problem, deflation had its own set of woes and is the reason that interest payments/the debt itself is so large to begin with. Basically, there isn't any monetary policy available that is going to start people having kids en masse. The issue is primarily cultural, Japan is a society that doesn't tolerate mass immigration and women aren't interested in traditional gender roles. I guess there could be "sex camps" like in Russia to have kids, but I doubt that or pro-natal policies that aggressive would be tolerated.

That said demographics is the issue, not so much inflationary policy, it is just that inflationary policy is way too late to make a positive difference. Anyway, I am not so much Abe himself and his policy will be the one causing the death spiral, the death spiral started a while ago. Japan may be already at the tipping point, but that is a tipping point that happened after decades of deflation and it is too late for inflation/growth impact it as long as Japan's population shrinks.

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