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Honestly the problem with subspace emissary isn't the nonsense plot (what were you expecting, Shakespeare?), but rather the gameplay itself. It uses Brawl's ring-out fighting mechanics in a beat-em-up, with the end result feeling weird and ultimately being annoying to play through since every hit you take has a ton of hitstun and knockback. On the topic of Mario, that cosmic clone prankster comet felt very un-Mario-like. Instead of running and jumping about the level with deft daredevil feats, you're stuck stutter-stepping in a circle while waiting for the Chain Chomp to get in position.
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Axe Cop is great because it doesn't have Tabuu. Also, who the gently caress was he? He just comes out of nowhere.
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May 29, 2013 14:20
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TheyCallMeJorgen posted:On the topic of Mario, that cosmic clone prankster comet felt very un-Mario-like. Instead of running and jumping about the level with deft daredevil feats, you're stuck stutter-stepping in a circle while waiting for the Chain Chomp to get in position. Every time I do this star I just long jump a bunch of times and carefully weave my way between clones 
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May 29, 2013 14:53
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Subspace Emissary was good if only because you could burn through it in a couple hours and have all but three of the characters unlocked, and those final three weren't that hard to find either. World 5 is where my memories of galaxies get a little vaguer, so I'm looking forward to the next couple of episodes!
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May 29, 2013 14:59
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Smoking Crow posted:Axe Cop is great because it doesn't have Tabuu. Also, who the gently caress was he? He just comes out of nowhere. Tabuu was the most annoying/confusing character I've seen in a long time. He just kind of appeared, after the rest of the villains dissipated and his character model was that of kind of a dumb, gimmicky wireframe? Subspace is kind of lame.
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May 30, 2013 10:37
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I have no clue what Tabuu was supposed to be; some kind of greater force than Master Hand since he was puppeting Master Hand. Since Master Hand is the representation of the kid playing with the toys I guess that'd make Tabuu its parent?
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May 30, 2013 10:50
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I think "kid playing with toys" only applied to the first game. Subspace blah blah blah was its own thing with its own rules.
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May 30, 2013 10:52
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Cheez posted:I think "kid playing with toys" only applied to the first game. Subspace blah blah blah was its own thing with its own rules. Yeah, he was supposed to be like the ruler of subspace which is like a dumb antimatter universe and he wanted whatever-I-guess-supersmash-land to himself. That series got dumb as soon as the kid bought a sonic toy..
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May 30, 2013 10:57
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to be fair, like I said, the "kid with toys" idea only really applied to the first game. From melee onward, everything was TROPHIES TROPHIES TROPHIES, and brawl took it further by making all the little Marios and Luigis of the land living things that turn into trophies when they "die" and fight for fun. I don't even know. I want to know if the new Smash Bros game makes as much of an attempt to rationalize the existence of fighting videogame characters as much as Brawl did.
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May 30, 2013 12:03
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I think it's time we saw Giga Bowser in a proper Mario game. The same goes for Waluigi, but that's never going to happen.
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May 30, 2013 12:26
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That loving Sned posted:I think it's time we saw Giga Bowser in a proper Mario game. The same goes for Waluigi, but that's never going to happen. What, being the main villain of Mario DDR isn't enough for you?
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May 30, 2013 12:39
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withheldmcfakename posted:What, being the main villain of Mario DDR isn't enough for you? The realest of Mario games. It also had Waluigi!
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May 30, 2013 12:40
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That loving Sned posted:I think it's time we saw Giga Bowser in a proper Mario game. The same goes for Waluigi, but that's never going to happen. It would be really nice if just for once the main bad guys of a Mario game turned out to be Wario and Waluigi causing trouble instead of Bowser. Maybe Bowser could decide to take some time off on a tropical island somewhere, he certainly deserves a vacation.
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May 30, 2013 12:42
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Neruz posted:It would be really nice if just for once the main bad guys of a Mario game turned out to be Wario and Waluigi causing trouble instead of Bowser. Maybe Bowser could decide to take some time off on a tropical island somewhere, he certainly deserves a vacation. 
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May 30, 2013 13:23
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FinalGamer posted:Super Mario Land 2 would like to have a word with you I don't think I ever played that one.
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May 30, 2013 13:24
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Well it was certainly better than the original.
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May 30, 2013 13:34
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The original is great for how broken and janky it is. Also, it has some of the best music ever to be in a Mario game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMZx8M8Bng Hip Tanaka 
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May 30, 2013 13:39
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Neruz posted:I have no clue what Tabuu was supposed to be; some kind of greater force than Master Hand since he was puppeting Master Hand. Since Master Hand is the representation of the kid playing with the toys I guess that'd make Tabuu its parent? They should have just used any of the numerous extradimensional horror-beasts from the various Kirby games instead of making up a new one 
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May 30, 2013 14:02
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Death Bot posted:They should have just used any of the numerous extradimensional horror-beasts from the various Kirby games instead of making up a new one Considering his attack patterns are very reminiscent of Marx from Kirby Super Star, I don't know why they didn't just use him. I don't think anyone would have really complained. Also the Cosmic Clone star in the Chompworks is one of the worst and nearly drove me insane when I first tried it. It's honestly not so bad now, but I still certainly don't enjoy it.
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May 30, 2013 14:05
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I think everybody forgets that right before you do all the bullshit with Tabuu, Subspace Emissary has quite literally the most awesome cutscene in video game history in which Kirby cements his position as the most powerful being in the universe.
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May 30, 2013 14:41
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RentCavalier posted:I think everybody forgets that right before you do all the bullshit with Tabuu, Subspace Emissary has quite literally the most awesome cutscene in video game history in which Kirby cements his position as the most powerful being in the universe. Which cutscene is that? I don't remember Kirby doing anything that amazing?
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May 30, 2013 14:44
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RentCavalier posted:I think everybody forgets that right before you do all the bullshit with Tabuu, Subspace Emissary has quite literally the most awesome cutscene in video game history in which Kirby cements his position as the most powerful being in the universe. If you're talking about Kirby being the only one surviving the massive trophy blast, while that is a good scene, Kirby isn't quite the hero of it. He revives because he ate Dedede's anti-trophy badge.
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May 30, 2013 14:50
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Neruz posted:Which cutscene is that? I don't remember Kirby doing anything that amazing? This cutscene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKHQXuXE8qc
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Ariong posted:This cutscene. Yes, that one. If that cutscene isn't a wholly beatified "gently caress yeah, Kirby" moment then I don't know what is.
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May 30, 2013 14:56
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Half of SSE's cutscenes are "gently caress yeah" and the other half are "dawwww" in its purest form.
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May 30, 2013 15:00
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I'm not sure how that cutscene makes Kirby 'the most powerful being in the universe' but it is pretty awesome. Brawl's cutscenes were pretty great if somewhat nonsensical.
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May 30, 2013 15:05
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The star of that cutscene wasn't Kirby (he's just being practical and bringing the most powerful item in the game) anyway, it was Olimar. All these top-of-the-line ships headed by ace pilots charging straight into the fray... and puttering along down in the back is Olimar's little shitbucket, still keeping pace.
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May 30, 2013 15:12
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Cleretic posted:The star of that cutscene wasn't Kirby (he's just being practical and bringing the most powerful item in the game) anyway, it was Olimar. All these top-of-the-line ships headed by ace pilots charging straight into the fray... and puttering along down in the back is Olimar's little shitbucket, still keeping pace. I was pretty impressed by all the fucks that Ganondorf does not give when the thing goes tits up. He just casually walks back inside as the whole ship is literally melting into explosions around him. Kirby being the most powerful is simply as fact of the matter that he was the only one who did anything. Everyone else is there, all the characters in their ships and whatnot, but they are there only to get completely upstaged by Kirby.
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May 30, 2013 15:15
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For awhile, folks were saying Tabuu was somehow connected to an old and very weird NES fortune-telling game, Taboo: the Sixth Sense, which had religious symbols and nudity in it. All those references have been scrubbed, though, so I dunno.
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May 30, 2013 16:28
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Ganondorf is pretty good at giving precisely zero fucks right up until he gets a master sword to the face. Or a fishing rod.
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May 30, 2013 16:29
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That loving Sned posted:I think it's time we saw Giga Bowser in a proper Mario game. The same goes for Waluigi, but that's never going to happen. Neruz posted:Brawl's cutscenes were pretty great if somewhat nonsensical. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVM5xSeTWrg
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May 30, 2013 21:51
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Neruz posted:I don't think I ever played that one. It was his first videogame appearance and he was a dick to fight. So fun 
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May 31, 2013 01:30
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The main "problem" with SML2 (I love that game) was that you could do the worlds in any order. As a result every world was easy ramping up to slightly challenging until the final one, which had no checkpoints and was set at "final level" difficulty of platforming. Fun, but a sharp difficulty curve.
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May 31, 2013 01:50
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FinalGamer posted:Wario was the villain of the entier thing. It also gave us this fantastic comerical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhB8XG9_5Rc OBEYY WARRRIO DESTROOOY MARIO
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May 31, 2013 06:37
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What in the actual gently caress was that.
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May 31, 2013 06:50
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Neruz posted:What in the actual gently caress was that. 90s advertising. At least it wasn't a Zelda rap dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3THavMxNDE
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May 31, 2013 06:55
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Wow. I'll be honest; I have apparently complely forgotten just how insane 90s adverts were.
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May 31, 2013 07:00
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Neruz posted:Wow. I'll be honest; I have apparently complely forgotten just how insane 90s adverts were. This is a Nintendo commercial from Australia back in the 80s. Jesus gently caress, that lakitu's voice will haunt my dreams 
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May 31, 2013 15:07
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FinalGamer posted:You think the 90s were insane? The 80s get a pass for being the 80s though. The 90s had no excuse.
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Neruz posted:The 80s get a pass for being the 80s though. The 90s had no excuse. It was all that time we spent playing Klax.
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