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Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

TerrorTurtle posted:

Hi. I sometimes like to write things in my spare time. I wrote a poem about cigarettes. I call it, "Cigarettes."

Idol businessman worship of many decades past
Burning white bridges that were never meant to last
Ash the sun now, it holds no mystique
I house cloud gods in my lungs, and sometimes forget to breath.

Chemical based desire to whittle away the years
Saviors come and go but the flame is always near
Wind rushes too fast like God wants it out
But we've overcome the worry of a smokeless drought

Part of the appeal is knowing the thrill
A very human emotion of enjoying what kills
But, of course, it will soon be too late
I bet you'd light up in front of St. Peter's face

Sometimes at night I see figures in the dust
Harlots and heathens in an ocean of rust
One day they'll take me and I'll never look back
I just have to burn up a thousand more packs

Parasitic relationship, but no clear winner
My body tars up while the stick gets thinner
Take in all the meaning of concrete sin
Blow out all the angels and devils within.

I like it. A couple of things though, the rhyme scheme is interesting, and works for the most part, but a couple of times it felt a little forced. For example, a cigarette doesn't really get thinner as you smoke it, it gets shorter. That leads me to believe that you used "thinner" not because it was the best word, but because it rhymes with "winner." That's something you really have to watch out for with rhyme schemes.

Secondly I found there was a lot of confusion with the "I" and "You." At times it seemed like "I" was the smoker, other times "I" directly addresses "you" as if "you" is the smoker. I think if you clear this up and go with one or the other, the poem would be more concise and to the point. Personally, I think you should take the references to "You" out altogether because it makes it sound like you're up on a high horse. If that's what you want, go for it, but I personally found that a little off-putting, especially the line, "I bet you'd light up in front of St. Peter's face."

Here's one I wrote the other day. Comments appreciated:

Maturescent

I whistled,
As I plunged the shovel in the earth.
The notes,
Melodious in the air,
Contorting around my labour,
Lifted the burden of work from my mind.

Now I dig with a backhoe,
Large, yellow and serious.
We gouge-out a grave for the notes,
Shot from the air by the pandemonium of machinery.

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TerrorTurtle
May 5, 2007

Zack_Gochuck posted:

I like it. A couple of things though, the rhyme scheme is interesting, and works for the most part, but a couple of times it felt a little forced. For example, a cigarette doesn't really get thinner as you smoke it, it gets shorter. That leads me to believe that you used "thinner" not because it was the best word, but because it rhymes with "winner." That's something you really have to watch out for with rhyme schemes.

Secondly I found there was a lot of confusion with the "I" and "You." At times it seemed like "I" was the smoker, other times "I" directly addresses "you" as if "you" is the smoker. I think if you clear this up and go with one or the other, the poem would be more concise and to the point. Personally, I think you should take the references to "You" out altogether because it makes it sound like you're up on a high horse. If that's what you want, go for it, but I personally found that a little off-putting, especially the line, "I bet you'd light up in front of St. Peter's face."

Here's one I wrote the other day. Comments appreciated:

Maturescent

I whistled,
As I plunged the shovel in the earth.
The notes,
Melodious in the air,
Contorting around my labour,
Lifted the burden of work from my mind.

Now I dig with a backhoe,
Large, yellow and serious.
We gouge-out a grave for the notes,
Shot from the air by the pandemonium of machinery.

First of all, thank you for your thanks :) I wasn't really sure of the reaction I'd get if I posted my poem here.

Well, with the "thinner" thing, I figured it wasn't the most accurate word. But, when smoking a cig, it DOES gets thinner in a way. By thinner, I meant that the cigarette decreases in mass and size. It's not the most accurate of descriptions, but it describes how I felt. You are right, though, in the sense that I choose that word because it rhymes with winner.

For the second point.... I'm going to be honest here. I originally posted this poem on Facebook. And I have many friends that would be offended if I made this poem as to solely indicate that I was the only smoker I was talking about. So, by writing "you," I thought that I might redirect the "blame" onto others, as opposed to only myself. If I were to only post it here, I would change it to only represent one viewpoint, as opposed to all the "you's" and "I's."

As for your poem, I like it! But, I fear I am not knowledgeable to know what you are talking about. Why do you dig with a backhoe in the second stanza, if you have machinery? Why is it yellow?

Ixelrod
May 4, 2013
Hello. Here's something lyrical and not very new, but edited recently because my old stuff is gross. I want to become a mainstay here and keep my writing gears well-oiled.

Goodnight Loom

Alone
again, wool-
spinning; little things
in too big clothes,
my thoughts
tumble.

Alone, and thinking
about the moon looking as distant as it does,
and about the townhouse over the blue lake.

There are little girls crouched port side,
watching a procession of nautili burst
through the net of nothing night
and spend their song,
mid flight.

It's the sound of hot air balloons
that pop in the spring. Or
of letters crumpled, one
by one, with both hands.

I say goodnight. To you,
my new moon, when I needed you
closer. Goodnight to the room with
the door cracked open at something bright.
To snakes and rumors of snakes, I say goodnight, barefoot
beside the water tower. Goodnight, I say, closing the drawers,
shutting the shutters, and pulling the curtain
before us all.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

TerrorTurtle posted:



As for your poem, I like it! But, I fear I am not knowledgeable to know what you are talking about. Why do you dig with a backhoe in the second stanza, if you have machinery? Why is it yellow?

A backhoe is a piece of machinery.

WET BUTT
Mar 11, 2005
Hey. I really love Pessoa, Cavafy, Lorca, and Rilke. Thought I'd post my work in this thread. Great entries from everyone on the forums.

"mountain dew"

mountain dew
me and you
pepsi can
girl and man
drinking sprite
married life
soda time
that's my rhyme

gobbles
Oct 15, 2005

WET BUTT posted:

Hey. I really love Pessoa, Cavafy, Lorca, and Rilke. Thought I'd post my work in this thread. Great entries from everyone on the forums.

"mountain dew"

mountain dew
me and you
pepsi can
girl and man
drinking sprite
married life
soda time
that's my rhyme

This poo poo is crazy. edit: Are you familiar with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmCh_0AsEyk ??? That poo poo is crazy.

gobbles fucked around with this message at 06:41 on May 8, 2013

Awesome Andy
Feb 18, 2007

All the spoils of a wasted life
The Poem of the Lich King

Power and all that comes with it
The heavy burden of a thousand long years
A million and more sunrises stretching across a bleeding horizon
Cold fear and reckless abandon on a razors edge
Hear my song and know why
Why you stand before me today
Frozen and warped, hands gripping the throne
Awaiting your breath to awaken me.

vrunt
Jul 4, 2003

the great trollini
Poem for my dad to be read at funeral

Who put the bomp,
Who put the ram,
Who will be left when I bury this man

Founding fathers hey,
Founding fathers ho,
My dad used to like Mr. Show

SurreptitiousMuffin
Mar 21, 2010

WET BUTT posted:

Hey. I really love Pessoa, Cavafy, Lorca, and Rilke. Thought I'd post my work in this thread. Great entries from everyone on the forums.

"mountain dew"

mountain dew
me and you
pepsi can
girl and man
drinking sprite
married life
soda time
that's my rhyme
This is some serious good slam poo poo. Take it on stage and you will be ruling the roost.

I really like the sprite/life half-rhyme, it tells us that these energy drinks are shortening his life but also are his life. It means like, two things at once. Cool.

iodine
Jul 26, 2001

No Content

Two thousand people watched you tape
"I miss you Robin" written on paper
To the back of your chair,
Take off your USB headset,
Then disappear.

The stream lasted for a while after that.
A lot of people left
Saying they hoped everything was okay,
Asking if anyone knew where you lived,
Others waited and talked
Until someone complained that ads
Were being run over no content
And a moderator cut the feed.

iodine fucked around with this message at 15:08 on May 16, 2013

Gibertjim
Mar 25, 2005
I've been working on a series while riding to work each day, and I've been trying to describe the things I see in perfect detail.

While Biking to School

A Hasidic man in a beat-up sedan
Curved smouldering pipe in his left hand
Wheel in his right
Turning left off Broadway
In the wan dawn light


Trees on Nicollet flash into green
Hours before, only covered buds
In the words of a student, in awe:
"loving nature, man"

Every day
Same place,
Same time.
A old woman in blue crocs
Covered in a hijab
Walker, laboring up the Main Street bridge
In the sweltering heat.

Leadhound
May 29, 2013
whelp, here goes nothing..


Your friend and your enemy, sitting side by
side, each held a plan for the other to have
died.
Your friend brought wisdom, your enemy
brought pain, your friend was calm, and
your enemy was insane.

But you made a mistake, one you cannot
undo, a bond formed
between them, the new enemy was you.


It was obvious from the start, yet they took
you by surprise, the world started fading,
you slowly closed your eyes….

And at that momment when you were slain,
your friend your enemy
became one and the same.

Your friend betrayed you, like I said he
would. He never thought of you as a friend,
then again, who could?

Leadhound
May 29, 2013
another one for good measure..

its body is torn
its bones are sand

it has no legs

and yet it stands

its heart beats cold
its soul grieves

it has no lungs

and yet it breathes

its hands lay flat
its skin peels

it has no nerves

and yet it feels

its eyes are still
it never blinks

it has no mind

and yet it thinks

its face in dirt

never to be seen

it has no mouth

and yet it screams

its worth unknown
it has nothing to give

it has no purpose

and yet it Lives

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
This thread went in the toilet because everyone started posting poems without posting decent critiques first. You should critique other people's poems. There have been like five poems posted with no critiques and it's retarded because the thread can't function that way.

Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 15:38 on May 30, 2013

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
I critiqued several before my last poem and no one responded to it. ;( Ah well, the way of all flesh.

J Miracle
Mar 25, 2010
It took 32 years, but I finally figured out push-ups!

Leadhound posted:

another one for good measure..

its body is torn
its bones are sand

it has no legs

and yet it stands

its heart beats cold
its soul grieves

it has no lungs

and yet it breathes

its hands lay flat
its skin peels

it has no nerves

and yet it feels

its eyes are still
it never blinks

it has no mind

and yet it thinks

its face in dirt

never to be seen

it has no mouth

and yet it screams

its worth unknown
it has nothing to give

it has no purpose

and yet it Lives

I like this style of poetry in general with very short stanzas. However, I think you could cut all the "and yet"s out, to be honest with you, or maybe replace them with "but." I feel like in general this could be sharpened up but I'm not sure exactly how to do it. I'm hoping to get better with crit so I'm sorry if this is a crappy review. I feel like the piece has some power and you should go more in a stark/minimalist direction with it, if possible. Also I will say that for me the "no mouth/scream" part inevitably brings up thoughts of Harlan Ellison's "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" which makes me feel like its a little cliche.

J Miracle
Mar 25, 2010
It took 32 years, but I finally figured out push-ups!
I used to write a lot when I was younger but I fell off it for a long time, and I feel like everything is really rusty and clunky now when I try to write. I'm hoping to change that and also improve my critique skills, so I'll try to crit more than I post in this thread if it keeps going.

Here's an early draft of one I'm working on:

Terrors

There are days when the world
is a badly-painted toy, flaking and mottled.

There are days when everything is hot parking lots and
sharp corners and
everything is coated with the grease and dust of billions of dead bacteria.

There are days where every mouth twists downward.

There are merciless bright mornings where you are a foreign parasite in the troubled guts of the world, a fatty tumor, an abscess, a blind, destructive malignancy.

There are nights where you lay on your side and feel the slow crawl of your wife's dead doll eyes
up your back, and you know if you turn over you will see them
wide and painted and disgusted.

There are nights where you jerk yourself awake through seven stages of nightmare, where your bedroom is all barely perceptible bells and angry whispers and the air is stirred like someone was just yelling your name in anger right before you woke up.

There are times when any object (your hand, a stone, a key) becomes horrible if you stare at it long enough.

There are nights where you go to bed sober and find yourself a shitass mean drunk in your dreams, real Jack Torrance poo poo, cruel and stupid like a hooked knife.

There are days at work your hand touches the handle off your office door and you suddenly feel both fragile and heavy, a lead crystal vase covered in microfractures, and you think I am already on medication and a few more pieces chip off and clatter to the floor and you realize that in fact there is no real difference between a hawk and handsaw, the gyre is pretty goddamn wide already, and you have lost whatever faith in poison you ever had.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Don't be afraid, I'm pretty sure it sucks AND lacks an ending. I used to be somewhat good at this, I swear...

Head Bee Guy
Jun 12, 2011

Retarded for Busting
Grimey Drawer
This is a poem I wrote in high school for my poetry class. It was based on the form of a Li Young Li poem that I forgot the name of. The inspiration came from visiting Roger Williams University in Rhode Island.

gently caress Your 12% Diversity Rate



Today I walked, through the halls of Roger Williams,
through class rooms filled with white people,
buying and selling stock.
What could they be learning in a class-less room?
What could they possibly feel in a hell so cold?
Do they remember their family, their parking lot attendant?
Their lust for a better bottom line feels like a junky
chasing the green dragon.

At this school, what is intellectual is retarded
and what is greedy is realistic.

Someone tell them to turn off CNBC.

My tour guide keeps an index card of notes
and struggles to read and walk.
She states the six figure salaries
of a business major’s life work.
Her lust for profit is like mayonnaise:
just one color and never enough,
saturating crackers. But the flavor remains
monotone with each bite insufficient.

At this school, what is black is dead
and what is white is in the black.

Someone should tell them to turn off CNBC.

Christ, that admissions rep, keeps talking
with his teeth full of facts,
a mouth encrusted with saltines, and his breath
of Polo, sailing, and profit margins.
His love for the school feels like segregation,
feels like hangovers, feels like acceptance.

At this school, what is different is hypothetical, safe
and hypothetical. While the Dean does pilates.

Someone tell the Dean to burn his Honda Civic.
I’ve had enough of this school
that feels like monotony and marketing and vomit.

Ceighk
May 27, 2013

No Hospital Gang, boy
You know that shit a case close
Want him dead, bust his head
All I do is say, "Go"
Drop a opp, drop a thot
Eeny-meeny-miny-mo
Pick a direction and walk, nothing changes.
We are in the tomb of pebble-dashed facades
and staring windows. The iron gates are locked
to the shambling English village (rest in peace.)
of lying oaks on mown lawns
promising what this country used to be
before we by existing killed it.

These aren't villages but American suburb sprawl,
sandstone walls make picket fences,
behind the BMWs and Range Rovers everyone watches CSI.
These aren't villages but Russian dolls of Siamese foetuses;
we're in the centre in sleeping bags,
drinking beer on your parents' patio,
heads buzzing for the future
watching Youtube
and the birds
and the sky turn blue.

Ceighk fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jun 9, 2013

Gaston Bachelard
Mar 26, 2009

When the image is new, the world is new.

Ceighk posted:

Pick a direction and walk, nothing changes.
We are in the tomb of pebble-dashed facades
and staring windows. The iron gates are locked
to the shambling English village (rest in peace.)
of lying oaks on mown lawns
promising what this country used to be
before we by existing killed it.

These aren't villages but American suburb sprawl,
sandstone walls make picket fences,
behind the BMWs and Range Rovers everyone watches CSI.
These aren't villages but Russian dolls of Siamese foetuses;
we're in the centre in sleeping bags,
drinking beer on your parents' patio,
heads buzzing for the future
watching Youtube
and the birds
and the sky turn blue.

Are we in a tomb made up of facades or a tomb for facades? The sentence is vague. Worse, the metaphor, which I think here is supposed to interact with the theme of infrastructure and industry and poo poo overtaking nature, isn't particularly original or executed in a way I find interesting.

The second sentence doesn't make very much sense. Is the gate the gate to the village or is it some other gate that has somehow been locked to keep the village out? The phrase feels backwards. I don't see how downed tree on lawns can promise anything or how they have anything to do with what the country used to be, unless the gate or the village is doing the promising, but I can't tell because it's a syntactical mess.

Then you try to make the poem turn at the stanza break, except it isn't a turn so much as a "gotcha!" which comes across as cheap and begs the question of why the speaker was confused about if s/he was in an English village or an American suburb. Then of course you do it again, and while the Russian dolls image at least begins to have a little reach, it's mostly unprepared-for and crudely "out there."

I'm picturing people ducking behind their cars to watch television, which is pretty funny. I'll give you that.

I like the beer, the birds, and even the Youtube because they seem like things that actually exist :)

E: I'm a broken record on this poo poo but please read "Directive"

Gaston Bachelard fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Jun 19, 2013

Illavick
Sep 15, 2012

WHENA MINA RENA VATIVE
cum stains on her collar
black purple lacy garter
three dollar beauty parlor
stuck up while you call her
written for the author
cheaper by the hour
sloppy twice then sour
leave it by the harbor
wrap her up in plastic
don't do nothin' drastic
just give me the facts kid
another lost in traffic

DimpledChad
May 14, 2002
Rigging elections since '87.
I actually really like this a lot. You establish a consistent tone early on, and there are lots of striking images. You use a lot of adjectives, but in general I think they are well chosen and specific and enhance the imagery. The poem had a potent and visceral effect on me. However, there are a couple times when it seemed like you over-explained or overworked an image and blunted its impact. Also, there were moments when the voice seemed to change abruptly and pulled me out of the moment. I think the long lines fit with the character of the narrator, and you chose good places for enjambment, but keep in mind that it might cause formatting problems for publication (and breaks the tables to boot!).


My comments are in bold.

J Miracle posted:

I used to write a lot when I was younger but I fell off it for a long time, and I feel like everything is really rusty and clunky now when I try to write. I'm hoping to change that and also improve my critique skills, so I'll try to crit more than I post in this thread if it keeps going.

Here's an early draft of one I'm working on:

Terrors

There are days when the world
is a badly-painted toy, flaking and mottled. This is a great image, and a great first line. It pulled me in immediately.

There are days when everything is hot parking lots and
sharp corners and
everything is coated with the grease and dust of billions of dead bacteria. Also good, but I don't think that dead bacteria make grease and dust, so that doesn't work. Maybe it could be "coated with grease and dust and billions of dead bacteria.

There are days where every mouth twists downward.

There are merciless bright mornings where you are a foreign parasite in the troubled guts of the world, a fatty tumor, an abscess, a blind, destructive malignancy.

There are nights where you lay on your side and feel the slow crawl of your wife's dead doll eyes
up your back, and you know if you turn over you will see them
wide and painted and disgusted. This seems to be a callback to the first strophe, with the doll eyes alluding to the badly-painted toy, especially since you use the word "painted" again here. If that was your intent, I might try to make the connection more explicit; otherwise, maybe find a different word instead of painted? The poem is short enough that I expect any repetition to be deliberate; otherwise, it's a tiny bit distracting, because I remember the last time I read the word and try to figure out why it's repeated.

There are nights where you jerk yourself awake through seven stages of nightmare, where your bedroom is all barely perceptible barely perceptible is a little clumsy/vague, given everything else has been so concrete so far bells and angry whispers and the air is stirred like someone was just yelling your name in anger right before you woke up. redundant.

There are times when any object (your hand, a stone, a key) becomes horrible if you stare at it long enough. For some reason the parentheses bothered me here; I think it might flow better visually with em dashes.

There are nights where you go to bed sober and find yourself a shitass mean drunk in your dreams, real Jack Torrance poo poo, cruel and stupid like a hooked knife. I would end this line here. The King reference didn't work for me—it seemed totally inconsistent with the voice of the rest of the poem. The knife simile is a cliche, and doesn't really add anything to the central idea of the line, which is actually very striking and original (being a drunk in your dreams). Also, how is a hooked knife stupid anyway? I mean, it has limited uses, but still...

There are days at work your hand touches the handle off your office door and you suddenly feel both fragile and heavy, a lead leaded? crystal vase covered in microfractures, You kind of clobber us with this metaphor, but it is a good image. Maybe think about rewording it more subtly and you think I am already on medication and a few more pieces chip off and clatter to the floor great so far, I'm at the edge of my seat and you realize that in fact there is no real difference between a hawk and handsaw, the gyre is pretty goddamn wide already, and you have lost whatever faith in poison you ever had. ...and you lost me. I have no idea what hawks and handsaws and gyres have to do with anything, or where this poison came from. Is the poison literal? If this stuff is important in your conception of the poem, then I think you need to expand upon it.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Don't be afraid, I'm pretty sure it sucks AND lacks an ending. I used to be somewhat good at this, I swear...

It definitely doesn't suck! You have the start of a good poem here. I'm glad you're trying to get back into writing, because it seems like you have talent.

DimpledChad fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jun 18, 2013

J Miracle
Mar 25, 2010
It took 32 years, but I finally figured out push-ups!

DimpledChad posted:

I actually really like this a lot. You establish a consistent tone early on, and there are lots of striking images. You use a lot of adjectives, but in general I think they are well chosen and specific and enhance the imagery. The poem had a potent and visceral effect on me. However, there are a couple times when it seemed like you over-explained or overworked an image and blunted its impact. Also, there were moments when the voice seemed to change abruptly and pulled me out of the moment. I think the long lines fit with the character of the narrator, and you chose good places for enjambment, but keep in mind that it might cause formatting problems for publication (and breaks the tables to boot!).


My comments are in bold.


It definitely doesn't suck! You have the start of a good poem here. I'm glad you're trying to get back into writing, because it seems like you have talent.

Thank you very much for the crit, I agree with most of the suggested changes. However the problem with the ending is that I'm trying to make allusions to specific works about going crazy/things falling apart/etc--there is obviously a risk with allusion, maybe I need to make it more subtle so it can stand on its own better?

Shakespeare, Hamlet: "I am but mad north-north-west. When the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw."
Yeats, Second Coming: "Turning and turning in the widening gyre/The falcon cannot hear the falconer"
Rimbaud, Drunken Morning: "We have faith in poison./We will give our lives completely, every day./FOR THIS IS THE ASSASSIN'S HOUR."

There is an earlier attempt at a reference to Thomas Wolfe, Look Homeward Angel: "A stone, a leaf, an unfound door; of a stone, a leaf, a door. And of all the forgotten faces. Naked and alone we came into exile. In her dark womb we did not know our mother's face; from the prison of her flesh we come into the unspeakable and incommunicable prison of this earth." But that was kind of silly and can probably be cut. I'll have to see what I can do about the others though, my sort of implication is that the narrator feels more and more like he's living in a world like the world depicted in the referenced works, if that makes sense.

Gaston Bachelard
Mar 26, 2009

When the image is new, the world is new.

Illavick posted:

cum stains on her collar
black purple lacy garter
three dollar beauty parlor
stuck up while you call her
written for the author
cheaper by the hour
sloppy twice then sour
leave it by the harbor
wrap her up in plastic
don't do nothin' drastic
just give me the facts kid
another lost in traffic

Reads like what I'd read on a lyrics sheet for a hip hop mixtape, which is to say you've got an ear and some idea of meter. Problem for me is that the images and occasions feel mostly disparate and rely too heavily on the music. Some folks'll say that a poem is a song, but I think there's a lot more to it than that. Engaging the author is dangerous without some angular way of engaging him/her in BOTH the action of the poem and the action of the poem's utterance. "the harbor" is unspecific. Which one? Certainly, you haven't allowed yourself the metrical room to tell me, but that doesn't keep me from wanting to know. After that you seem confident that you're wrapping up the poem, and introduce a blunt action and a direction that comes from - who?, and then of course the wrap-up "ah ha" resolution. You lose a lot of power in the second half of the poem because your momentum gets the best of you. Don't fear expansion! Figure out your image system and emotional range and weave that in with whatever lyrical rules you'd like to impose. And don't get me wrong. I LOVE poems with rules (we can call this form) and with an ear like yours, you can do a lot more with the discipline you've imposed on yourself.

Illavick
Sep 15, 2012

WHENA MINA RENA VATIVE

Ceighk posted:

Pick a direction and walk, nothing changes.
We are in the tomb of pebble-dashed facades
and staring windows. The iron gates are locked
to the shambling English village (rest in peace.)
of lying oaks on mown lawns
promising what this country used to be
before we by existing killed it.

These aren't villages but American suburb sprawl,
sandstone walls make picket fences,
behind the BMWs and Range Rovers everyone watches CSI.
These aren't villages but Russian dolls of Siamese foetuses;
we're in the centre in sleeping bags,
drinking beer on your parents' patio,
heads buzzing for the future
watching Youtube
and the birds
and the sky turn blue.

This really gets going at the BMWs/Ranger Rovers while all watch CSI. Because there is so much punctuation, the line 'before we by existing killed it.' seems to stand apart from the poem for the obvious missing comas around 'by existing', so be aware you're causing that effect. It's the last 3 lines that kind of ruin things I think. It seems like you cut it short at 'watching Youtube' and then became a bit too forced. It kind of changes the tone of things, for me at least, and if you're going to do that you need a bigger pay off. I think those last 3 lines and the 'by existing' parts are the sore thumbs on this.

I am absolutely no expert but I'm giving you what I feel from it.

And thanks for the critique Bachelard rear end. It's funny you mention music and especially hip hop because that's exactly where I was when I started writing it but then I ended up in a more film noir-y place. I'm actually very impressed and amazed you managed to pick something that specific out. You know your P's and Q's.

I didn't want to use any proper nouns, like say 'down at Boston harbor' because I think it flows better without them. It would be too jarring to throw something that specific in there. And about rules, I insist my poems have rules because that makes it more of a game for me really. I never write the rules ahead of time, I just get an idea in my head, write it down, see what pairs well with it and try to form a style from there. The 6 syllable rule and the 4 line rhyming just kinda started happening and I went with it.

HelmutVonSchmeller
Nov 23, 2007
Oooh, it's a jellyfish!
I would crit, but I don't feel qualified. Maybe later in the thread.

Anyway, here's something to annoy the lot of you.

Something I Never Told You

I felt
like driving
off
the overpass

I would
have smiled
careening
down
perhaps laughed
in relief

The only reason
I didn't
was because
you were
with me

And I
did not want
to make
this decision
for you
as well

That's why
I said
nothing
and crawled
into
the bathtub
and wept
that night

Gaston Bachelard
Mar 26, 2009

When the image is new, the world is new.

HelmutVonSchmeller posted:

I would crit, but I don't feel qualified. Maybe later in the thread.

Anyway, here's something to annoy the lot of you.

Something I Never Told You

I felt
like driving
off
the overpass

I would
have smiled
careening
down
perhaps laughed
in relief

The only reason
I didn't
was because
you were
with me

And I
did not want
to make
this decision
for you
as well

That's why
I said
nothing
and crawled
into
the bathtub
and wept
that night

How much William Carlos Williams have you read? I'd take another look at your favorites, or a first if you happen to be in that happy situation. Check out what he does with his lines and I think you'll see how this poem can be managed with even more economy. I'm not crazy about the poem's conceit, and less its ending. Feels like you ran away from all the dramatic stakes of implicating another in a suicide by simply admitting your speaker's understanding of what he's up to. The end is ho-hum not because it establishes distance between the event and the utterance (actually this is one of the strongest moves in the poem) but because it just feels so easy. What's that scene look like? Did your speaker crawl into an empty bathtub or did he submerge into a cold layer of grey water as the faucet sputtered, slowly heated, and burned his feet?

Bi-la kaifa
Feb 4, 2011

Space maggots.

Too much crit and not enough poetry.

Nazi Mollusk

Dark spots, toes, a heel, prints on the green.
Faded from the morning's mist,
Footprints bare in the pale morning light
wander across my view and into the forest.
An old goddess, stripped and forgotten,
now lost in a world where she has no meaning.
Like a whore in a concentration camp, she's less.
Making her way through life, death,
fearing nothing, only a faint hope.
Discovery is what drives them.
Like the veins in the meat of a clam;
tendrils ripple and shimmer as it's stroked,
quivering as someone touches and remembers
these lost lives. Ripples in flesh like waves of
light and cloud as the cold sun rises
on faint footprints, making their way
across a dewy green.

deptstoremook
Jan 12, 2004
my mom got scared and said "you're moving with your Aunt and Uncle in Bel-Air!"

Bi-la kaifa posted:

Too much crit and not enough poetry.

Nazi Mollusk

Dark spots, toes, a heel, prints on the green.
Faded from the morning's mist,
Footprints bare in the pale morning light
wander across my view and into the forest.
5 An old goddess, stripped and forgotten,
now lost in a world where she has no meaning.
Like a whore in a concentration camp, she's less.
Making her way through life, death,
fearing nothing, only a faint hope.
10 Discovery is what drives them.
Like the veins in the meat of a clam;
tendrils ripple and shimmer as it's stroked,
quivering as someone touches and remembers
these lost lives. Ripples in flesh like waves of
15 light and cloud as the cold sun rises
on faint footprints, making their way
across a dewy green.

I don't think there were whores in concentration camps. I like rhythm of lines 1-3, then you lose it (and maybe not coincidentally, where I lose interest) in lines 4-7. After that you recover rhythmically and then lines 11-12, that's about dicks but I guess you want it to be about nostalgia and loss. The diction is serious throughout except the words "whore" and "meat," I'd say those are the problem areas at any rate. I leave with a clear vision of a clam and a set of footprints, but I want to know what both of them are doing other than being.

I'm not sure what you're driving at, here. Vision of footprints, then a disgraced goddess, then a simile ("Like ... a clam") which is a vehicle without a tenor. I can't really tell what your thrust is. Not that it needs one, but consider the message. Also, let's think about the title. I think you're torn between being flippant or lyrical, and once you make that choice (whichever it is) the piece should come together.

deptstoremook
Jan 12, 2004
my mom got scared and said "you're moving with your Aunt and Uncle in Bel-Air!"
And I just got done writing a set of 10 poems. There is a contest whose deadline is this Friday, and instead of dredging up one of my old sequences I decided to be masochistic about the process and make a new one. I won't post the whole thing, it's about 400 lines all told, but here's the introductory poem. The title of the set is Such Tapestries the Comets Weave Alone. Blank verse with various formal tricks. It looks a bit more elegant in the word processor.

pre:
The Weaver’s Threads

I read in many ways, in many ways

I have		a dream		to tell:	alight,		O line,
to speak	of mom		of dad,		the addict	who ebbs,
five strains	interred,	Philomel	who dies	who flows,
in one		a river		tongueless,	mouthless 	steady
voice:		fretful;	darkling,	thrashing	send me home.

rosselas
Feb 21, 2013

deptstoremook posted:

And I just got done writing a set of 10 poems. There is a contest whose deadline is this Friday, and instead of dredging up one of my old sequences I decided to be masochistic about the process and make a new one. I won't post the whole thing, it's about 400 lines all told, but here's the introductory poem. The title of the set is Such Tapestries the Comets Weave Alone. Blank verse with various formal tricks. It looks a bit more elegant in the word processor.

pre:
The Weaver’s Threads

I read in many ways, in many ways

I have		a dream		to tell:	alight,		O line,
to speak	of mom		of dad,		the addict	who ebbs,
five strains	interred,	Philomel	who dies	who flows,
in one		a river		tongueless,	mouthless 	steady
voice:		fretful;	darkling,	thrashing	send me home.

I liked this one. I have no idea what it's about though. Just feelings and images I guess. But I don't really feel like it's random either. It just only shows parts of a picture.

Illavick
Sep 15, 2012

WHENA MINA RENA VATIVE
Here's one I've been working on for a few days. I have no clue what to call it. It's about my favourite subject, the apocalypse.


sunlight tears through
old floor boards
and shadows dance on
tin roof tops
a reckoning feared constant
no one ever really knew
and the clock runs like my thoughts
what has seven heads
and brings about the end?

wise men feel it; old bones
aching before storm clouds
there are no provisions
that can save you from judgement
great trumpets sound
and clocks tick relentless
marching on midnight!
will the Son rise on Golgotha
before the toll of midnight comes?

oil turns to rain
food turns to cancer
water rises
people gently caress like
there's no tomorrow
we fed the fire
now we pray for rain
rein, who will hold it
when hooves meet earth?

Illavick fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Jun 26, 2013

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

Illavick posted:

Here's one I've been working on for a few days. I have no clue what to call it. It's about my favourite subject, the apocalypse.


sunlight tears through
old floor boards
and shadows dance on
tin roof tops
a reckoning feared constant
no one ever really knew
and the clock runs like my thoughts
what has seven heads
and brings about the end?

wise men feel it; old bones
aching before storm clouds
there are no provisions
that can save you from judgement
great trumpets sound
and clocks tick relentless
marching on midnight!
will the Son rise on Golgotha
before the toll of midnight comes?

oil turns to rain
food turns to cancer
water rises
people gently caress like
there's no tomorrow
we fed the fire
now we pray for rain
rein, who will hold it
when hooves meet earth?

I like it the imagery really works here, and some of the wordplay is really clever. I like the comparison between Rain and Rein. My one caution, the Christian apocalypse has been written about many time in poetry. While this is in your own voice, I feel almost as though, I don't know, you don't put your own spin on it? Maybe you can take the clock metaphor a bit further? It's a nitpick, honestly.

I'd like a critique on thisun. Too cliché?:

College Degree

A child's shallow chalk drawing
Splattered
On the concrete

The beak
Frozen open
An impotent plea for the mother

The purple intestines
Caked on the sidewalk
Broil in the sunlight

The soft down
Matted and blood-stained
Flutters in the breeze

A doodle of death
In the shadow
Of the custodial tower above

Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jun 26, 2013

Gaston Bachelard
Mar 26, 2009

When the image is new, the world is new.
Illavick, I don't quite agree with Zack_Gochuck.

Try to work yourself away from cliches. A lot of the images and things in the poem behave in ways that don't feel especially original or exciting. I've read shadows dancing, bones aching, trumpets sounding, "there's no tomorrow," etc. Plus, what I think you're hoping is witty and cunning about that last example is, kind of, but it comes across as a one-note jab with no substantial resonance otherwise. Who is "you?" Is it different from "we?" What if you chose a concrete place or image from which to observe the event or result of the event and leaned a little heavier on the eye instead of flimsy similes and puns?

Gaston Bachelard fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jun 26, 2013

deptstoremook
Jan 12, 2004
my mom got scared and said "you're moving with your Aunt and Uncle in Bel-Air!"

rosselas posted:

I liked this one. I have no idea what it's about though. Just feelings and images I guess. But I don't really feel like it's random either. It just only shows parts of a picture.

Good, perfect, it's the introductory piece so it should stir up some thoughts but not answer many questions. Tell me, did you see that it reads straight down in addition to across?

Gaston Bachelard
Mar 26, 2009

When the image is new, the world is new.
That was the best part of the poem. Not crazy about the last phrase but, like, whatever.

Medoken
Jul 2, 2006

I AM A FAGET FOR BOB SAGET

Zack_Gochuck posted:

I like it the imagery really works here, and some of the wordplay is really clever. I like the comparison between Rain and Rein. My one caution, the Christian apocalypse has been written about many time in poetry. While this is in your own voice, I feel almost as though, I don't know, you don't put your own spin on it? Maybe you can take the clock metaphor a bit further? It's a nitpick, honestly.

I'd like a critique on thisun. Too cliché?:

College Degree

A child's shallow chalk drawing
Splattered
On the concrete

The beak
Frozen open
An impotent plea for the mother

The purple intestines
Caked on the sidewalk
Broil in the sunlight

The soft down
Matted and blood-stained
Flutters in the breeze

A doodle of death
In the shadow
Of the custodial tower above

The metaphor in this poem is particularly heavy-handed. From "shallow chalk drawing" to "doodle of death" the poem's unwieldy imagery gets in the way of the purpose of such a short piece (to be sharp, surprising, or witty). The connections between stanzas are both exceedingly shallow and opaque. The poem transforms the "child" to a "beak frozen open," while as a reader I understand the metaphorical turn I'm bored with the unsurprising fulfillment of the language. A child is a baby bird - such an image already exists in my mind, and this poem hasn't added anything by conjuring it.

From here on the poem reaches for a grotesquery that is outside of its grasp. "Purple intestines" and "soft down / matted and blood-stained" are unearned images (ignoring the, again, heavy-handed nature of the first). I have no idea why a child drawing with chalk has resulted in a rumination on death. The turn happened far too soon (between the 2nd and 3rd stanzas) and left me bored and confused as the poem struggled its way to the expected "custodial tower" and the inept "doodle of death."

My advice is to start over by asking yourself why are you writing this poem.

code:
it

I

it’s kind of expected—snow in Utah / the gathering
thieves. the hibernation must end.
					across our borders we expect some misbehavior
					in Pakistan and Iran of course. but not here.
Snowden. Martin. Bradley. Ellsberg. Woodward. Bernstein.
no one could have seen it coming
more closely than the watching artists—
					that is: Paul. Palin. Zimmerman. Obama.
this is something to be on the lookout for: any kind word / it cannot be said enough
								all the engines of culture
								beat steadily into the drift
								out to sea where we are
								and like islands under
								the power of the deep currents
								draw a line to it
the wishes have been heard, collected, packed away, awaiting. it’s just, who’s left
to find what’s out there? it’s in the pain
					anywhere.
we know Boston inside and out; New York over the Hudson, all the way to Manhattan;
					Oklahoma's distribution hub;
					Dallas concrete and steel;
					Sanford outside the gates;
		                        Evanston, Berkeley, Auburn, North Caldwell, Sacramento, 
                                        Tiburon, Nashville;
                                        Camp Williams; the greater D.C. metro;
it’s in the news. why the white inside us is looking for a way out
the back of a black hoodie pulled low over our angry eyes
who’s asking us to make our own chains? who’s asking for our blood; who for our shibboleths?
it’s in the way we politic, fail to realize we tore down the towers 
with our own radicalism, proselytized across seas, 
fed our children the same milk their brothers bled 
in My Lai—and—this feeling—it doesn’t go away.

II

what does Martin have to do with Snowden?
what do our freedoms have to do with murdered sons?
what does Nashville have to do with Dallas?
what does the black have to do with the white / what does the blood have to do with the skin?
what does x have to do with y?
what does the republic have to do with the people?
what do people have to do with the knowledge of good and evil?
what do heroes have to do with us?
what does luck have to do with it?
what does apology have to do with the geopolitical?
what does mercy have to do with justice?
what do streetlamps have to do with rape victims?
what does the ticking have to do with the bomb?
what can we do to change it?

III
 
horses run across the plains; the stampede calls the storm.
it rolls in.

Gaston Bachelard
Mar 26, 2009

When the image is new, the world is new.
It really can't be overstated how putrid "doodle of death" is.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People
Thanks for the honest critique, guys. I think this one may be headed to the scrap heap.

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rosselas
Feb 21, 2013

deptstoremook posted:

Good, perfect, it's the introductory piece so it should stir up some thoughts but not answer many questions. Tell me, did you see that it reads straight down in addition to across?

I figured that out right away, because it's called "I read in many ways, in many ways" and the first couple words in both directions
made sense together. I liked the vertical way better than the horizontal.

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