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Cicero posted:C# and VB.NET are the same language? Almost. The semantics are nearly identical. From .NET 4.0 onward you can literally throw C# or VB.NET code into a converter and get the other to pop out, drat near one-to-one. I prefer curly braces but ENDIF won't kill me. I need to learn another syntax sometime anyway!
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2banks1swap.avi posted:I still don't have a combined year of ExperienceAtAWorkPlace, though. Is the market there that hot? I don't live there so I have no idea! But my point was don't let location hold you back from applying to a job that is appealing to you. I got a job with relocation fresh out of college. And when I applied to my current job they told me they would give priority to local applicants (which I was not), and they ended up hiring and relocating me anyways.
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Jun 3, 2013 16:02
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Welp, next paycheck it's time to begin a rewarding relationship with that resume guy, isn't it?
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Any big tech company will pay for relocation even for new college grads. Some others will too, probably; the general rule is probably that the more they pay devs, the more likely they're fine with flying you out for interviews and paying for relocation costs.
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Jun 3, 2013 16:15
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Cicero posted:Any big tech company will pay for relocation even for new college grads. Some others will too, probably; the general rule is probably that the more they pay devs, the more likely they're fine with flying you out for interviews and paying for relocation costs. But I'm not a grad yet. I'm an almost grad with a little experience who caught a case of burnout, sick family and "I just want to work already goddamn it I'm almost 30."
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Jun 3, 2013 16:33
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2banks1swap.avi posted:But I'm not a grad yet. I'm an almost grad with a little experience who caught a case of burnout, sick family and "I just want to work already goddamn it I'm almost 30." edit: Also I think it's commendable that you want to work two jobs to pay off debt quickly and help your folks.
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Jun 3, 2013 16:47
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Cicero posted:Well my point was that limited experience isn't a dealbreaker if they still think you're worth hiring. It's only 16K. I'm just pissed that 2K of that is already 4K because of 13% INTEREST gently caress YOU CHASE What sucks is that my current boss is all "oh finish school..." but he's probably using that to keep me part-time. See the .NET thread for other shenanigans. Looks like this is my first test of ethics in the workplace!
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Jun 3, 2013 16:52
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The IT consulting job I landed is actively making me unlearn coding, which I hate, I've been trying to land a junior or level entry position somewhere else but seems everyone wants at least one or two years of experience from the get go with various development frameworks; I'm honestly considering just straight up lying. gently caress accenture, basically
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Jun 3, 2013 17:41
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evensevenone posted:Even at 90k, after tax you're at about 5k/mo, which makes a $2500/mo 1br a bit of a stretch.
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Jun 3, 2013 17:53
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Honest Thief posted:The IT consulting job I landed is actively making me unlearn coding, which I hate, I've been trying to land a junior or level entry position somewhere else but seems everyone wants at least one or two years of experience from the get go with various development frameworks; I'm honestly considering just straight up lying. Yes, definitely lie, that will go over well. No one has ever lied in an interview and been called out on it before. Why don't you actually go and learn some of the things you're considering lying about so you don't waste people's time? I loving hated interviewing people who were clearly full of poo poo.
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Jun 3, 2013 18:00
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Ithaqua posted:Yes, definitely lie, that will go over well. No one has ever lied in an interview and been called out on it before.
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Jun 3, 2013 18:19
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Honest Thief posted:At the current project where I'm at won't be able to, my masters already got hosed due to it, and the company seems more interested in wanting me to learn CRM platforms than my actual interests; so the decision now is whether or not to bail out without any other job landed and learn then through some post-grad or what. He's not talking about going back to school. Learn stuff on the side and build up a nice github portfolio. But yeah, lying on your resume is dumb and anyone interviewing you is going to see that you are full of poo poo within minutes. edit: Also, Accenture is loving huge so you could always just tell your boss you aren't happy with your project and ask to get put on something else that interests you.
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Jun 3, 2013 18:20
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If you're already considering lying, you could just build up a not-so-nice Github portfolio, where you get some shallow experience with whatever tools you were going to lie about. That way you won't be lying, and it'll probably make it harder to detect your bullshit, too.
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Jun 3, 2013 18:24
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Getting stuff done on the side has been wack, this whole corporate culture of doing your job and staying at the workplace after-hours because staying late shows commitment is wack.astr0man posted:edit:
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Jun 3, 2013 18:28
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So keep telling him until he does something about it?
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Jun 3, 2013 18:31
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Honest Thief posted:Getting stuff done on the side has been wack, this whole corporate culture of doing your job and staying at the workplace after-hours because staying late shows commitment is wack. Don't become a professional software developer if you don't want to continually learn new tools and techniques for fun on your own.
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Jun 3, 2013 18:32
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Honest Thief posted:Getting stuff done on the side has been wack, this whole corporate culture of doing your job and staying at the workplace after-hours because staying late shows commitment is wack. Why are you staying late to show commitment to a job you don't want anyway? Can you stop staying late and go home to learn stuff on the side?
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Jun 3, 2013 19:02
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Safe and Secure! posted:Why are you staying late to show commitment to a job you don't want anyway?
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SFO is the airport FYI. Don't say you want to work in SFO when you talk to people there. They will give you funny looks.kitten smoothie posted:Yep. This is why I won't live in SF. $2500/month here in the midwest would get you a 2500 square foot house with a yard. I mean, you know why you can do that in the midwest right? Living in places that are in high demand ain't cheap. May as well not consider any other major tech city then. Maybe Austin/Portland/Seattle are more affordable? Not sure exactly, but SF, LA, NYC, BOS ain't cheap. Won't deny SF is probably too expensive though. The most expensive now over NYC.
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I'm confused. Are you saying you don't want the job you have but you don't have the skills for the jobs you do want so instead of getting those skills you want to lie about having them because instead of spending your off-time learning those skills you work late to show commitment to the job you don't want?
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Ithaqua posted:Don't become a professional software developer if you don't want to continually learn new tools and techniques for fun on your own. Yeah, unfortunately it's one of those things that nobody tells you upfront, but that's really true. If you want to make it anywhere as an individual contributor you pretty much have to spend an extra 4-5 hours a day at home working on stuff that's beyond what you do at work, since the vast majority of jobs out there (that pay) are awful enteprise CRUD factories. That or you can be like a LOT of people in BigCorp and shoot for a management non-technical position as soon as humanly possible so that you don't have to deal with the nitty gritty details anymore and can wallow in middle management for a couple of decades. Like mentioned before a few pages ago, you can learn at work, but at first you'll most likely (unless you get lucky) need to take a considerable paycut for that kind of position of high responsibility and scope.
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Jun 3, 2013 20:06
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Ithaqua posted:Don't become a professional software developer if you don't want to continually learn new tools and techniques for fun on your own. Safe and Secure! posted:Why are you staying late to show commitment to a job you don't want anyway?
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Jun 3, 2013 20:59
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Honest Thief posted:It's more of a standard practice, people actually seem to take offense if you do your regular 9am to 19pm work hours, so you get peer pressure into doing so and I didn't want to leave in bad terms but I'm unmotivated to the point where I just don't care. I used to work for a big tech consulting firm. Yes, there's the culture where you need to put in all the extra time to climb the corporate ladder, but in reality no one cares as long as you are getting your poo poo done.
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Honest Thief posted:yeah I'm slowly realizing it, dunno where I stand yet but I guess I'll find out Jesus christ, 9am - 19pm is considered regular at Accenture?
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DreadCthulhu posted:If you want to make it anywhere as an individual contributor you pretty much have to spend an extra 4-5 hours a day at home working on stuff that's beyond what you do at work 4-5 hours A DAY? I spend maybe that much time a week messing with non-work tech stuff and I do quite well staying up to date on new technologies. Do you not have hobbies?
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pr0zac posted:4-5 hours A DAY? I spend maybe that much time a week messing with non-work tech stuff and I do quite well staying up to date on new technologies. Do you not have hobbies? I did and I had to get rid of them to make space for this. It was pretty painful at first, but I always hated being worse than average at a dozen different things and with the years I learned to appreciate the importance of focus. I lift 3 times a week and do HIIT on non-lift days. I watch some Netflix while I'm eating. Have half a day with the wife once a week. That's about it that's not work-related, even though I stopped thinking of it as "work". It's a conscious choice I made a while ago. I'm the only one who can set a proper technical direction at my startup and if I don't make up in knowledge and effort for at least 2-3 engineers (hopefully more one day), then we'll never achieve the vision that we have in mind. I figure that 5-10 years down the investment I'm making into myself will really pay some serious dividends. "Knowledge and productivity are like compound interest" (from here, I have that quote framed on my desk.) One thing that happens once you spend a lot of time at something that you enjoy, is that you eventually kickstart this positive feedback loop of receiving immense pleasure from getting better at something and understanding things that you were completely oblivious about before. The more you do it, the harder the challenge, the bigger the kick you get out of it when you succeed. It's an addiction, but it's a good one when controlled. Honestly, it's not that hard. Do you commute on a train somewhere? Pull out an iPad and start watching coursera lectures on a topic that's interesting and hopefully relevant to your work, or read a good technical book. That's 1-2 hours a day of absorbing more stuff that really adds up over the years. DreadCthulhu fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Safe and Secure! posted:Jesus christ, 9am - 19pm is considered regular at Accenture? When I was in the field consulting organization of a technology company, 9am-7pm wasn't out of the ordinary at all. Working 9-7 for two days in the middle of the week is just barely keeping your head above water utilization-wise, considering that at the beginning & end of the week you're likely wasting hours traveling to and from the client. Obviously utilization was important in keeping your job, because when times were lean they would basically just rank on utilization and slice the bottom. Bonuses also usually hinge on your utilization, too. Where I was, at 80% utilization (which is to say, billing 32 hours a week every week) I got a 20% bonus relative to base salary. Over and above that, I got a per-hour cash bonus that basically amounted to an additional 10% bonus if I made 100% utilization. The per-hour bonus got even bigger for hours over 100%. Our contracts stipulated that travel was not billable, which really screwed me on utilization. For one client, travel time was 8 hours door to door on an international trip, twice a week, every week.
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^^^ I hate how travel time is accepted as non-billable. I also usually had to book flight/hotel out of my own pocket and get reimbursed weeks after I got home.Safe and Secure! posted:Jesus christ, 9am - 19pm is considered regular at Accenture? I did it for a year (not at Accenture but basically their kid brother) and got pretty burnt out over it. In the years before that I had been through two separate startups that drove us hard and abruptly failed / ran out of money and got Really Weird. I'd still take the startup experiences over the consulting one again any day even though the compensation was incomparable. Bhaal fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Well, how good can the compensation be?
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Consulting is miserable and you shouldn't ever do it unless you're obsessed with money or hate yourself.
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pr0zac posted:4-5 hours A DAY? I spend maybe that much time a week messing with non-work tech stuff and I do quite well staying up to date on new technologies. Do you not have hobbies? I always figured that learning new technologies was the hobby. I do this stuff for a living because it's fun, and I find it even more fun to learn new things on my own time without a specific material goal in mind.
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To the lurkers and new kids, don't worry, you can be a good software developer and also have a life
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That reminds me, I'm going to be looking for a job soon. When I got my internship, an IP assignment contract was included with the rest of the hiring forms for me to fill out, basically saying that I agree to give up the ownership of all intellectual property that I create. I posted about it here and people said they just don't sign those and never have any trouble. Can I expect that to be the case as a fresh graduate? And do I just scratch out that part before signing it, turn in the forms minus that page, or what? And do I just not say anything about it unless it's discovered or do I tell whoever sends me the offer letter that I won't be signing that? Seems like it would be impossible to learn on your own time in any meaningful capacity if you sign one of these.
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Bhaal posted:^^^ I hate how travel time is accepted as non-billable. I also usually had to book flight/hotel out of my own pocket and get reimbursed weeks after I got home.
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Safe and Secure! posted:That reminds me, I'm going to be looking for a job soon. When I got my internship, an IP assignment contract was included with the rest of the hiring forms for me to fill out, basically saying that I agree to give up the ownership of all intellectual property that I create. You can always learn on your own time and nobody can prevent you from using what you learn, short of company-protected secrets. But concepts and patterns and tools are all still in the mix and those transfer without any problem. From my experience most organizations that require those sorts of agreements generally either use blanket documents like the one you described ("ALL IP created is the property of X") because narrowly defining stuff doesn't make sense for them, or they use very specific ones which delineate what is and isn't covered. For the generic blanket ones, it's usually understood that you can't/shouldn't be prevented from doing toy projects/hobbies in your own time if it's not competitive or related to the organization you're covered by, and would be highly unlikely to be claimed by anyone. One thing that typically was clear was that anything created with company assets (laptops, software, could stretch it to using the company network), can quite reasonably be claimed by that company at least in some portion, so do your own off-time stuff on your own hardware/software.
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Safe and Secure! posted:That reminds me, I'm going to be looking for a job soon. When I got my internship, an IP assignment contract was included with the rest of the hiring forms for me to fill out, basically saying that I agree to give up the ownership of all intellectual property that I create. I don't know about other states but at least in California, anything you create on your own time using your own machine is exempted from any IP contracts you sign by state law. edit: whoops quoted wrong post
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evensevenone posted:Even at 90k, after tax you're at about 5k/mo, which makes a $2500/mo 1br a bit of a stretch. In SF, you'd have a reason to leave them.
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Safe and Secure! posted:Well, how good can the compensation be? Completely incompetent partners in my firm who are just really good at bullshitting are making like 10% on projects they pitch and get on top of $200,000 - $250,000 base. The latest is a $300,000 project that we look to be getting. It makes me hate consulting even more than I already do, which is quite a lot. Everyone in management at my company that seems to have gone anywhere is completely full of poo poo and also a tremendous poo poo-head who just throws out buzzwords. The good developer I sit next to makes a fraction of what they do and is infinitely smarter (and also a way better person).
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Safe and Secure! posted:That reminds me, I'm going to be looking for a job soon. When I got my internship, an IP assignment contract was included with the rest of the hiring forms for me to fill out, basically saying that I agree to give up the ownership of all intellectual property that I create.
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DreadCthulhu posted:Yeah, unfortunately it's one of those things that nobody tells you upfront, but that's really true. If you want to make it anywhere as an individual contributor you pretty much have to spend an extra 4-5 hours a day at home working on stuff that's beyond what you do at work, since the vast majority of jobs out there (that pay) are awful enteprise CRUD factories. Hahahahaha this (except for the last clause) is completely untrue. 4-5 hours a day? Fuuuuuuck that. Wrong. Not saying that you shouldn't do that if you want to do that, but it is sure as gently caress *necessary*.
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