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I hope they bump into a Xykon trapped in an illusion that some how works on him and they're totally baffled at him mumbling 'oh yesss, such delicious coffee' over and over
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Spiderdrake posted:I hope they bump into a Xykon trapped in an illusion that some how works on him and they're totally baffled at him mumbling 'oh yesss, such delicious coffee' over and over I bet liches do miss having organs and glands. Sure, you're a nearly immortal being of immense power, but you never again get to masturbate.
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Jun 2, 2013 02:06
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V & fiends meets linear guild, team up.
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Sefer posted:It just occurred to me to be concerned that several hours have passed and V hasn't found them yet. I'm wondering if Xykon needs Redcloak to rest and regain spells on the astral plane. He might not be coming immediately, though that Hinjo cutaway seems like ironclad foreshadowing.
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Jun 2, 2013 04:57
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Angela Christine posted:I bet liches do miss having organs and glands. Sure, you're a nearly immortal being of immense power, but you never again get to masturbate. He was pretty pissed about it in SoD.
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Cliff Racer posted:He was pretty pissed about it in SoD. He didn't really care about that part. It hadn't moved on its own for 16 years.
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Jun 2, 2013 08:12
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He was mad about not getting to drink coffee again.
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Jun 2, 2013 13:05
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Right, thats what I meant. Course he was never going to be able to drink coffee again anyway unless there was a latte mushroom down there.
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Jun 3, 2013 02:38
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Cliff Racer posted:latte mushroom Super Mario Bros. just hasn't been the same since Starbucks bought the franchise.
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Spiderdrake posted:I hope they bump into a Xykon trapped in an illusion that some how works on him and they're totally baffled at him mumbling 'oh yesss, such delicious coffee' over and over But... But he liked the coffee because it was terrible. 
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Jun 3, 2013 09:17
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Cliff Racer posted:Right, thats what I meant. Course he was never going to be able to drink coffee again anyway unless there was a latte mushroom down there. ...I'm certain some underworld race has worked on such a thing.
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Jun 3, 2013 10:27
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Bloodly posted:...I'm certain some underworld race has worked on such a thing. If the Dragon magazine strips are anything to go by, there is bound to be a Dark Coffee plant in the underground ecosystem.
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Jun 3, 2013 12:54
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Toussaint Louverture posted:But... But he liked the coffee because it was terrible. Because it reminded him of all the GOOD coffee. So the worst coffee reminds him of the best. It's confusing.
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Jun 3, 2013 18:13
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Shugojin posted:Because it reminded him of all the GOOD coffee.
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Jun 3, 2013 18:51
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NihilCredo posted:It was a joke that fell flat and took way too many panels in an otherwise excellent book. Let's not dwell too much on it.
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Jun 3, 2013 19:57
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Colon V posted:I'd disagree. I'd say it provided some real insight into his character, even more than a lot of the 'main' scenes did. Not being snarky, I genuinely didn't see any point, or any humour for that matter, in that coffee joke (unless it was "He's old"). The post-lichification followup was stunning, yes, but you'll have to enlighten me about the first gag.
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Jun 3, 2013 20:08
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NihilCredo posted:How? That's because it isn't a joke. It's character development relating to how after decades of evil, all Xykon has to show for it at that point is memories. That by experiencing something bad it forces him to relive all the good times. And that's what makes the second scene in the diner work, the fact that becoming a lich had a real and tangible price to pay that Xykon wasn't expecting, and further, that his one really human connection, his memories of coffee, is lost forever in his rush for power. That scene's important, and no, it really isn't funny at all. It isn't meant to be. The advantage to writing a self-contained book ike "Start of Darkness" is that Rich isn't constrained to one joke a page like he is in most of the webcomics where-in there's always a joke save for the most crucial of scenes, like Durkon's death. jng2058 fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jun 3, 2013 |
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Jun 3, 2013 20:54
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Ing2058 is exactly right. But I also see it as fleshing out Xykon as a more realistic character, by giving him some very simple and relateable passions. He loved coffee, good coffee, bad coffee, really any coffee. It's a simple thing that we as readers can more easily relate too as a cost for his becoming a Lich. Simple pleasures that he treasured and we may take for granted are lost to him now.
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It has been a while since I read start of darkness, but I thought he liked bad coffee, because it was more memorable to good coffee. That you had to hold onto the fleeting feeling of good coffee. But bad coffee was memorable. You can't help but remember that terrible cup no matter how hard you tried.
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Shwqa posted:It has been a while since I read start of darkness, but I thought he liked bad coffee, because it was more memorable to good coffee. That you had to hold onto the fleeting feeling of good coffee. But bad coffee was memorable. You can't help but remember that terrible cup no matter how hard you tried. Not quite. Paraphrasing here: when you drink a good cup of coffee, you immerse yourself in that cup and enjoy that experience. But when you drink a cup of truly godawful coffee, your brain does everything in its power to not immerse itself in the experience. And to avoid having to think about the horrible sludge you're currently pouring down your gullet, your brain forces you to remember every single cup of good coffee that you've ever drank. So basically when you drink a cup of good coffee, you only experience that cup of coffee. Conversely, when you drink a cup of bad coffee, you experience every single cup of good coffee you've ever had. Which at his age was a LOT of coffee.
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Jun 3, 2013 22:01
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You'd think an epic spellcaster would be able to come up with some sort of illusion that recreates the taste of some really good coffee at will. I know, one less spell slot for POWERRR, but how high a spell level could that really be?
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My Lovely Horse posted:You'd think an epic spellcaster would be able to come up with some sort of illusion that recreates the taste of some really good coffee at will. I know, one less spell slot for POWERRR, but how high a spell level could that really be? Undead are immune to phantasms, and still wouldn't be able to perceive non-mental illusory tastes. 
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Jun 3, 2013 22:19
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I mean he has an entire Goblin army, what the gently caress does he think magic jar is for? You need some pleasures of the flesh, you take some over for a while.
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Jun 3, 2013 22:21
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Didn't we already have this conversation and the spell doesn't work that way?
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Spiderdrake posted:Didn't we already have this conversation and the spell doesn't work that way? It was domination that didn't let you experience what the person is experiencing, and someone suggested magic jar instead.
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Jun 3, 2013 23:00
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jng2058 posted:That's because it isn't a joke. It's character development relating to how after decades of evil, all Xykon has to show for it at that point is memories. That by experiencing something bad it forces him to relive all the good times. And that's what makes the second scene in the diner work, the fact that becoming a lich had a real and tangible price to pay that Xykon wasn't expecting, and further, that his one really human connection, his memories of coffee, is lost forever in his rush for power. Incidentally, I think a much better illustration of the difference between human-Xykon and lich-Xykon was his relationship with the wizardess in the evil lair. Even though they were clearly both ruthless assholes already, they still had a basic and sincere human connection that would just be completely unthinkable for an undead.
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Kickstarter Update #59: Free Wallpaper (1/10) The Wallpapers are free for everyone - not just Kickstarter backers, and are available on Rich's website in a variety of resolutions. Rich Burlew posted:So I've made a decision regarding updates for the near future. In order to avoid that feeling I talked about where I don't update if I don't have something concrete to show you guys, I'm going to start releasing the wallpapers that I've already completed—one new wallpaper every time I don't have anything else to deliver. I have five of them already (mostly) done from before I got hurt, and I had been waiting until they were all finished before releasing them. But I recently realized I don't need to wait, right? So here's the first wallpaper:
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Jun 4, 2013 13:24
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Seeing Durkon in that is a little sad.
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Jun 4, 2013 13:41
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I keep looking at it and seeing new monsters hidden in places that I missed before, very nice.
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It's a tribute to the cover of the original 1E Monster Manual
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:. . . That unicorn has armpit hair. It's unreasonable to expect modern beauty standards to be applied to a fantasy setting.
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TheFuzzyLumpkin posted:. . . That unicorn has armpit hair.
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Jun 4, 2013 20:17
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That is the happiest dragon I've ever seen.
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It's a dude-icorn. They obviously said look, he's got this wild roadie hair and this ultra masculine beard, go for broke and give him pit hair to go with it. The centaur knows what's up.
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greatn posted:I mean he has an entire Goblin army, what the gently caress does he think magic jar is for? You need some pleasures of the flesh, you take some over for a while. Why gently caress with a goblin proxy body when you can just flat out Shapechange?
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Naramyth posted:Why gently caress with a goblin proxy body when you can just flat out Shapechange? Mostly because he can't. Xykon is a Sorcerer and he trades away number of spells known for number of spells he can cast per day and the flexibility of not having to pre-memorize. We've seen Xykon's spell list. Shapechange ain't on it.
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It's a little pedantic to ask why he wouldn't just take over some new body and have physical experiences with that. He was the one who drank all that coffee and had all those experiences, and becoming a Lich made him shed all of those. Even if he can vicariously enjoy them through someone else (somewhat literally), it just isn't the same anymore. Xykon was a fair bit different before his Liching, still horrible but a little more human, and a lot of that was stripped away to just a lust for power and some extremely wild, manic whims.
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