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SheepNameKiller posted:Yeah the jewels are no longer there unfortunately, finding the cask really just gets you the cask itself. I was unclear on this for a little while too even though it's explicitly stated in the OP.
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:New Orleans I tried it, and nothing really lined up. The blocks are all square except those south of Decatur, and those are all triangle shaped.
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GWBBQ posted:You have an odd definition of unfortunate if it includes solving a puzzle and literally digging up lost buried treasure. The puzzle-solving is cool but the treasure is now a probably-broken decayed box and a key to nothing. Crashbee fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh wow, daisy-as-palmetto works really well, I hadn't put that together till you said. Could be another sign pointing towards Ft. Moultrie & the palmetto logs. The good and bad thing about Fort Moultrie and Sullivan's Island is that, because it's so tied to symbols of SC in general with the flag and everything, if you can tie something to that symbology than it also ties to Sullivan's Island whether or not that's intentional. I'd say the best case for Sullivan's Island so far is really the African imagery, considering that Sullivan's Island was America's largest slave trading port.
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GWBBQ posted:You have an odd definition of unfortunate if it includes solving a puzzle and literally digging up lost buried treasure. The treasure's no longer there, that's what's unfortunate. But it is still fun to try to solve the puzzle, and you do still get the expensive ceramic container that once held the treasure inside of it 
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Jun 5, 2013 22:31
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Flewdefur posted:SAN FRANCISCO Hmmm, it could be the SA hand grenade...
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It looks like a heart. A real one, that is. But every time I look at it I see a melting dick.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:05
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RoanokeSham I Am posted:Roanoke The main reservation I have about the landing site idea is that the directions would have essentially taken the reader in a full circle. Remember that the start of the verse tells the reader to pass the memorial and then cross the Washington Baum Bridge, which takes them away from the location of the first flight. It seems very odd (and literally roundabout!) to then route the reader through Roanoke and back across the waters to the memorial. It's possible, as you noted at the end, but a key question I have is, is that kind of twisty-turny set of directions consistent with the two found casks and their accompanying verses? That, and all of the imagery in the book links the Cask 3 site to something Elizabethan, rather than to our good ol' American friends Wilbur and Orville. Then again, there is a lot of circular imagery in the illustration -- all those key rings and bubbles -- so heck, maybe there is something to the Wright Bros. site. We ought to compile a shortlist of proposed Cask 3 sites with the supporting evidence/interpretation. I can try to do it later this week, unless someone else wants to give it a shot first!
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Jun 5, 2013 23:07
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Cask 9stab posted:which is the metro that connects to the Olympic stadium, which opened in 1976 If that musical note is a 76 then I am even more lost then I was before. If we are looking for St-Louis connections in Montreal, anyone wanna look into St-Louis Square?
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Saltin posted:Milwaukee I've also been thinking that maybe the "culvert" was that tunnel-like entrance on the south side of City Hall. Glad to see someone else has the same idea. So here's how this might work chronologically: View the three stories of Mitchell Still have no idea. But... As you walk the beating of the world Neutrino suggested Water St, as water could be the "beating of the world." Could it mean looking south as you walk down Water St toward the Mitchell building, maybe seeing the top 3 floors of it in the distance? Perhaps you could see the top of the Mitchell building somehow when 794 still ran into that part of town, up by Knapp St., which is where I suggest you start for... At a distance in time from three who lived there Might this mean starting around Knapp street and walking south past Juneau and Kilbourn on Water St? At a distance in space From woman, with harpsichord silently playing Across the street (distance in space) from the Pabst (there's a lyre on top of the Pabst, but no harpsichord or woman) Maybe this is some sort of reference to the PAC (now the Marcus Center) and you are supposed to cross the street to Red Arrow Park... Step on nature Red Arrow Park? Cast in copper No idea, maybe something that used to be in Red Arrow Park where there's now a skating rink. May simply mean "go to City Hall" as the bell in the tower is copper (see here: http://city.milwaukee.gov/museum). Also, is that copper tile on the roof? Ascend the 92 steps Takes you to the first landing in City Hall, presumably where you'd see the compass on the floor...? After climbing the grand 200 200 steps in City Hall. "Climbing" doesn't have to necessarily mean you're going up. Maybe you're climbing back down. Pass the compass and reach Walk through City Hall going south The foot of the culvert Go outside and step to the end of the tunnel. Below the bridge From here there's only one bridge visible, to the West on Wells. Now does he mean "on the other side" (which is south a bit) or was there actually some way of getting below the bridge before they put in the RiverWalk? Walk 100 paces Southeast over rock and soil The river DOES travel southeast at this point! But what was here before the RiverWalk??? To the first young birch Pass three, staying west you'll see a letter from the country of wonderstone's hearth No idea about the birches, and they may not be there anymore because of the RiverWalk. Crossing the river, here's where Saltin identifies the Letter Carrier's Monument, which would be west, however back north at this point. This is also where we see the Germania building... On a proud, tall fifth At its southern foot The treasure waits Germania building is 5-sided. German, which fits the theme. The southern edge of the building is a parking lot, there is no soil. There are some trees lining the street at the southern edge. Who knows how long those have been there. That's all I got. A lot of it works, though there are some holes. Maybe walking that route we'll find something that lines up with the picture. Don't forget the locust in the picture... perhaps pointing to a locust tree under which the cask is buried?
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SF Regarding these images: http://i.imgur.com/TDoLDqJ.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/Wum7gHi.jpg This alignment is the result of rotating the image clue counterclockwise. So, when we overlay a map of SF, we have an interesting alignment of this red spot (I don't think it's an artifact):  And the Vaillancourt Fountain:  Look at it up close: http://goo.gl/maps/Y7MWf Stuff seems to coincide like the "White house" and the ferry terminal. Take a look around and see if it make sense to you, or see if I'm nuts. P.S. Forced to use Photobucket because imgur is being an rear end in a top hat.
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Jun 5, 2013 23:42
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BJG posted:The Pear could be Pearman bridge and/or a hint at the South Carolina flag, with a crescent in the shadow: BJG, you nailed it. I kept coming back to the pear and the daisy because there was some kind of familiarity there I just couldn't put my finger on. It is the South Carolina flag, with the daisy doing double duty as the birth flower. That is so brilliantly simple and obvious now that you've pointed it out. I guess we are overthinking some things.
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Jun 6, 2013 00:04
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NoSoup4U posted:San Francisco
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12_String posted:SF That's definitely a small printing error. In the solved cases there we're no tiny clues like that and, as previously stated, there is no precedent for using map overlays. bonestructure posted:
How the gently caress do you confuse a daisy with a palm tree. If the author wanted you to look for a palm tree he would have had the artist draw a palm tree. A pear is not a moon and it's above the flower, not next to a tree.
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TheLastManStanding posted:How the gently caress do you confuse a daisy with a palm tree. That's a Palmetto!  edit: but yeah I agree and i'm sure the original author would have known the significance of the Palmetto specifically (as being a sturdy tree that deflected cannon rounds from the British in the revolutionary war) and not snubbed it. Emacs Headroom fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 6, 2013 |
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TheLastManStanding posted:That's definitely a small printing error. In the solved cases there we're no tiny clues like that and, as previously stated, there is no precedent for using map overlays. Gettin' mad about puzzles. When the book was published, it didn't have Charleston, SC next to Cask 2's image. One of the things you had to guess in the treasure hunt was the location for each cask from the clues in the print. The location hints in this image were the shape of the Charleston peninsula on the African mask, which alone was probably enough for most people, and the South Carolina flag emblem (half-moon and palmetto) in the pear and daisy. Look at the shadow on the pear and the ragged shape of the daisy, which is also there to indicate the April - daisy - diamond link. Even if you think that idea is not right, it fits with the style of symbolism found in the other prints.
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I'm totally on board with the shape of Charleston; it's an exact match in terms of shape and it's a widely recognizable shape (in terms of the people living there), just like Ohio was. I just don't get the other people who are making long convoluted connections, like all the people doing map overlays of tiny landmarks or the people thinking one palm tree on the side of a road is somehow special. Any round shape with a shadow is going to have a crescent and picking one plant when shown another is ridiculous.
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Jun 6, 2013 00:45
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TheLastManStanding posted:That's definitely a small printing error. In the solved cases there we're no tiny clues like that and, as previously stated, there is no precedent for using map overlays. Goddamn dude, settle down. This is all for fun, not some loving competition. So, the overlay shown here (http://thesecret.pbworks.com/w/page/22148488/1_Park), is just a coincidence? Not exact, but pretty damned close. Could be some sort of reference point, could be BS.
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Jun 6, 2013 01:02
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Puzzle solving needs branching (trying out new ideas) and pruning (tossing out ideas that won't work). There's no point in trying to knock people doing either process. We need both.
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Saltin posted:Milwaukee Unfortunately the Letter Carriers statue is more recent and was dedicated in 1989. i believe there was a flagpole with some plaque and mostly concrete there previously. It was kind of a dead zone, if I remember correctly. One clue in the picture that I am trying to pin down is the view of City Hall. I have a feeling that it is very important and have used Google streetview to narrow it down to here. I am going to go around there tomorrow and take a few more pictures to see if I can stand exactly where he took the picture. It may be in a grassy spot near the parking structure of which there are a few. I would like to see if any of the trees are birch. It is hard to tell by the streetview images. 
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Jun 6, 2013 01:29
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Emacs Headroom posted:Puzzle solving needs branching (trying out new ideas) and pruning (tossing out ideas that won't work). There's no point in trying to knock people doing either process. We need both. True, but the issue is when people don't use any sort of method. Or, more to the point, they pick an idea and try to make the evidence fit, instead of examining the evidence and letting that take you to the conclusion. It's really just fundamental issues with certain people's methodology. It's fun to read their theories, mind you. The people that are getting angry and insulting should probably relax a bit. Calling people "literally insane" because you disagree with an interpretation, for instance, is excessive and really ruins the joyous atmosphere that a treasure hunt should be. Edit: I do disagree that the daisy and pear are meant to represent SC's flag, but who knows. What I am more interested in is why a pear is growing on a pine tree at all. It reminds me of those basic kid puzzles that put two images next to each other to come up with a word or phrase or some obvious meaning. For instance, a pear next to a pine could mean a pair of pines. Also, two things to keep in mind about the Fort Sumter picture: the flagpole at the real one is not in the dead center (I had trouble verifying if the pole had been moved since the early '80s). Also, the shadow happens to point north, though I am more inclined to think this is simply meant to be a clock face. Luminous fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jun 6, 2013 |
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NYC I took a look at the Strand bookstore for old Atlases. There were a few world atlases from 1982 and earlier, but lacked necessary detail of the cities in question. Nothing useful. We would need city specific maps from that time period. I'm open to suggestions on how to procure them. Also, though it had already been checked on by someone else here, I can confirm that they do not have a copy of The Secret.
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12_String posted:Goddamn dude, settle down. This is all for fun, not some loving competition. I'm not really buying that particular overlay. It sure looks similar when someone draws red lines all over the map, with intention of recreating a portion of the illustration. But what about all the streets that don't have red lines drawn on them? And the line crossing over the water above the park seems pretty arbitrary (unless there's a pier or something obscured by the line).
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StinkyMeat posted:NYC Local person goes to a library and, likely, uses micro Edit: For Cask 2 (Charleston, SC) Since somebody mentioned how the fairy has gone rather overlooked, I have been looking it over. No super revelations at the moment. Obviously the patterning can look like water, land, etc. THe two things that have stuck out to me so far are: 1 - I think the circular objects are meant to be cannonballs. Largely predicated by the 2nd circle from the top of either side of the wings - this circle has a motion effect lines after them. 2 - The relative symmetry of the wings is broken on the bottom wings, where the left side has blue then white (following the top edge and ignoring the minor black), the bottom has blue, orange, white. Edit2: Also, can we get links in the OP to the solutions for the two solved casks? Luminous fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jun 6, 2013 |
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Jun 6, 2013 01:39
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Luminous posted:Local person goes to a library and, likely, uses micro The best maps showing the most detail are fire insurance maps and you may be able to find them from that time in a library or university. The company that did them was called Sanborn. Otherwise, many libraries or historical societies will have photography files organized by street or even parks. You can find some good stuff there. Aerial photos are pretty easy to find although not with that much detail. You could get lucky though.
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NYC Have we entertained the idea that the Statue of Liberty face might not mean THE Statue of Liberty, but one of the replicas somewhere else in the US? I'm not sure if there is a list of US cities with a Statue of Liberty in them.
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I'm all for people Caging on the puzzles, since these other ten are going to be harder than the located ones, though I agree that Preiss leaned more towards simple visual cues and street names rather than obscure literary references in the located ones. Was there an explanation for the gemstones not matching up in the portraits? Milwaukee is supposed to be an amethyst, and has what looks like a topaz or sapphire. Some of the other ones don't match either. Also lol at Preiss handing the Cleveland dude a sapphire instead of an aquamarine.
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ExtraNoise posted:NYC There's quite a few: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicas_of_the_Statue_of_Liberty#United_States
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Crashbee posted:The puzzle-solving is cool but the treasure is now a probably-broken decayed box and a key to nothing. if it got enough publicity, you'd have to think SOMEONE who had an interest in the book back in the day would be willing to pay a healthy sum to own a legitimate casket/key from the treasure hunt, likely more than the gemstone itself would be worth.
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ExtraNoise posted:NYC Some people have, though part of the heat that has gone in here got them shouted at. To be honest, the face is so generic that I think looking at the pose and garments would be a better indication of what the statue is meant to represent. The angelic pose and angelic robes I think are a lot better at indicating what needs to be looked for. Edit: Also, for Verse 10 (whether it is attached to Cask 12 or not), the isle of B could mean that B is the discoverer or claimer, not necessarily the name of the isle. Luminous fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jun 6, 2013 |
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Barfoid 3 posted:BOSTON The face looks quite a bit like the Jesus behind Phillips Brooks in the Trinity Church monument. The scroll work on the margin of the dome is also reminiscent of the image, as well as the checkered pattern so characteristic of the landmark. I had this idea that the poem's reference to metal walls and those moving past the coliseum could refer to a subway car. This would further reinforce the likelihood of its being in copley, which is just near a subway station.
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TheLastManStanding posted:That's definitely a small printing error. In the solved cases there we're no tiny clues like that and, as previously stated, there is no precedent for using map overlays. Wow, if these get solved, are you gonna go back through the thread and ream every single person who was wrong? Go outside and scream at the birds for tweeting slightly off-key or something. You never know if one idea will lead you to another that is the one you are looking for. It's called brainstorming dude, didn't you ever do this in high school?
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The Boston gem is absolutely the wrong kind of green if it's a peridot, too. Regarding gymnastics required to make clues fit, don't forget that something that matches almost-but-not-quite today could have matched a lot better in the 80s. Also, the centaur's helmet in the second solved puzzle was never explained, despite it being very prominent in the image and even the illustrator acknowledging that it had a special significance. Imagine trying to solve the same puzzle today in the absence of a good match for the fountain/garden structures. That would make things like the helmet relatively more important and at the same time make the whole thing much harder since the helmet clue is clearly one of the more obscure ones that will probably never be linked to anything. I think the best thing to do is to entertain as many theories as possible, especially since we have many people solving the riddles.
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Luminous posted:Some people have, though part of the heat that has gone in here got them shouted at. To be honest, the face is so generic that I think looking at the pose and garments would be a better indication of what the statue is meant to represent. The angelic pose and angelic robes I think are a lot better at indicating what needs to be looked for. I disagree, in the images used to actually find casks, the central figure was not something anyone actually found, but it just had hints as to where to look. The face is pretty clearly the Statue of Liberty and that (plus whatever that face is that's hidden on her dress) just might be all we can get from the figure.
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Luminous posted:True, but the issue is when people don't use any sort of method. Or, more to the point, they pick an idea and try to make the evidence fit, instead of examining the evidence and letting that take you to the conclusion. It's really just fundamental issues with certain people's methodology. My main issue with the pear/SC flag tree thing is that it doesn't necessarily tell us anything new if it IS true (unless it's really abstractly pointing to Fort Moultrie, which I am willing to keep as a possibility). We know it's in Charleston, SC. I feel like it's much more likely that it means something just as you said: in conjunction with the pine and probably the daisy as well. Looking back at the verses, I did realize that Verse 5, which has the very strong Citadel call out, could also reference the SC flag. The "single standing member of a forest" would be a tree, and what most famously has one tree but the flag itself? Could indicate a place where the flag would fly (like a fort or government building).
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NYC Is anyone Russian or Eastern Orthodox? I've given up on the poem, and am trying to just work off the picture. We know it's connected with November, and with Russia, so I was looking at the Russian Orthodox liturgical calendar, and it looks like the most important date in November is "The Entry of the Most Holy Theotokos into the Temple", a feast day. Basically what I'm trying to do is find a connection through the known stuff (November, Russia, the onion-domed church in the picture) to link it to some unknown stuff like say one of the poems.
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Strongylocentrotus posted:Roanoke The problem with it being the gardens, as i see it, is that the trail just goes dead. Everyone can get to the gardens, most get to the sunken gardens, and then...nothing, With the one that was found in Cleveland, when they got to the right spot they new because of all the thing from the illustration that they found. Columns, fountains, statues, walls, all kinds of things. None of that really appears to be happening at the elizabethan gardens. If nothing is fitting like it did in the other finds, and we are just guessing that we should dig under this bench or that gate, then it may be because we are not in the spot where we should be digging. That's why I am really starting to think it is not in the elizabethan gardens; like I said earlier we are led to the Gardens by the poem, but not really ever led into them. I was supposed to go down to the outerbanks this year and we decided not too. Now I wish we did, so i could walk around the gardens, the fort and the museum with my ipad and a camera looking for items in the illustration that matches something in real life. of course, My wife would not be happy with me spending our vacation looking at symbols on marker stones and counting bricks.
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Maybe if would be useful for people to visit the exact spots of the solved puzzles/found casks just to see how much of the imagery in the picture is visible from that spot, etc. Gives us more of a baseline of information to work from.
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Nesetril posted:Also, the centaur's helmet in the second solved puzzle was never explained, despite it being very prominent in the image and even the illustrator acknowledging that it had a special significance. I don't know, I think he was just trying to make Parkgate road, which is 30 feet away, into part of the map. Also, Bellflower road is not that close, relatively speaking. It's in the same general area, but I would not ever associate them. It runs into East Blvd, which is kind of one side of that park area, but I always considered the gardens to be on MLK, not East. Also note, he must have picked the spot and had the art done before they changed Liberty to MLK, and he didn't make any kind of announcement when it changed names...
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SAN FRANCISCO/CASK 1 Did we ever get a solid clue on which verse it was? I feel like Golden Gate Park is the primary location to scout and photograph, especially as it's huge. Then we've got the other suggestions: Ghiradelli Sq, Russian Hill Park/Open Space, Panhandle Park, the Lafayette Tennis Courts (which are being renovated right now so no dice), Legion of Honor, Stern Grove, and City Hall plaza.... any I'm missing? I have a tentative plan to head down to the city this weekend, (since I was thwarted last weekend) and take some photographs.
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