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our network asks sots to be around -6db with -2db peaks and nats/music to be in that range if they're the focal point but apparently they've been doing LKFS metering for like, at least the last year and none of our shows have been rejected (until now)
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Moist von Lipwig posted:check out the wtf with dave grohl they talk about the same thing and it's cool good deal, grabbing it now man do i envy marc. talking to cool people as a part of your job just seems like it would own so much. he's done a ton of really awesome shows.
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Jun 6, 2013 04:30
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i cant stand him
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Jun 6, 2013 04:32
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chumpchous posted:i cant stand him your loss brah
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Detroit Q. Spider posted:your loss brah
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Jun 6, 2013 04:37
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Moist von Lipwig posted:yeah I don't care if it's authentic to how it would really sound stop making me gently caress with the volume when I'm watching a movie so i don't wake up the neighbors screaming kids If you plug up via RCA cables, Dolby digital is supposed to apply a 3:1 compressor on your cinema mix to get the dynamic range to only be 3 dB in a full 12 dB mix. Basically don't use optical unless you spent more than 200$ on speakers. Also I've seen the dialogue metadata flag set wrong on some older discs so that could cause problems when you play back that one weirde old mix. Most units have some sort of internal dynamic range compression override but good luck finding it. Every manufacturer calls it something stupid that makes no sense like "night mode" or some Bs
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Jun 6, 2013 04:38
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any dolby digital capable receiver should have SOME dynamic range control but yeah good luck finding yours. sometimes it's midnight, sometimes quiet mode...ugh. consult yr. manual i suppose
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Jun 6, 2013 04:41
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pagancow posted:Every manufacturer calls it something stupid that makes no sense like "night mode" or some Bs is that what that loving thing is? gently caress
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Jun 6, 2013 04:41
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The worst is when your cable box has a compressor on the audio and then Your tv has a maximizer running as well. Basically dialogue gets so low that you can't hear it but then the background noise is so loud that is practically blows your speakers. Good times for audio engineers.
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Jun 6, 2013 04:42
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pagancow posted:The worst is when your cable box has a compressor on the audio and then Your tv has a maximizer running as well. It's that sort of thing you almost can't worry about. Almost. I left the compressor off on my cable box because if you play through decent (e.g., not TV speakers) the background noise becomes a constant low rumble. How people don't notice that is beyond me. Oh right, most of them use the tiny downward facing TV speakers you can't hear anyway.
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Jun 6, 2013 04:47
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pagancow posted:If you plug up via RCA cables, Dolby digital is supposed to apply a 3:1 compressor on your cinema mix to get the dynamic range to only be 3 dB in a full 12 dB mix. i use analog digital out from my htpc and it still does it and i have paradigm studio series speakers i still hate it and use a drat equalizer within windows because it annoys the piss out of me i doubt my receiver has this super secret feature but please let me know if it does as it's old as piss http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/rx/rx-v2200_black__u/?mode=model
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Jun 6, 2013 05:46
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i hope whoever invented whisper quiet dialogue/gigantic booming sound effects for everything, died painfully
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Jun 6, 2013 05:48
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You kids and your loud movies!!! Get off my lawn!!! edit: Also, drat you kids for mixing your movies so it actually takes advantage of the range my nice set up offers! I want everything mixed like stereo VHS again! I didn't go and spend all this money so I could have actual decent sound! Doc Block fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jun 6, 2013 |
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Jun 6, 2013 06:12
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Doc Block posted:You kids and your loud movies!!! Get off my lawn!!! problem is i live in an apartment and to hear the voices i have to have my receiver at around -10 and those loud booms get me in trouble when the subwoofer kicks in i'm literally half-deaf in my right ear
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Jun 6, 2013 06:25
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Doc Block posted:You kids and your loud movies!!! Get off my lawn!!! making the voices ridiculously quiet and the other noises ridiculously loud isnt actually taking advantage of the range.
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Jun 6, 2013 06:27
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pagancow posted:Its legit. lol if you think professionals all shoot in jpg
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Jun 6, 2013 08:45
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flyboi posted:tbqh the thing i loving hate about holywood mixing is how they make the voices so quiet but ALL THE EXPLOSIONS ARE AT MAX loving VOLUME!!!! this has gotten so bad that i just gave up on dolby digital/surround sound completely and run everything in "All Channel Stereo" mode, which means explosions, vocals, music, etc. are all the same in every speaker. yeah it's not the ~true movie experience~ but holding the controller the entire duration of the movie to increase/decrease the volume got old really fast. the worst is my cable box that does this; old crappy late 90s TV shows pumping EVERYTHING only through the center speaker so that when commercials come on i am greeted with a blast of 5 speakers trying to sell me cereal. i havent found a work around for that yet; i might literally have to revert back to RCA audio again 
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Jun 6, 2013 13:05
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flyboi posted:i use analog digital out from my htpc and it still does it and i have paradigm studio series speakers thats because you're using a drat PC that probablly uses FFDshow for it's AC3 decoder instead of a real one made from the Dolby SDK
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Jun 6, 2013 13:38
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flyboi posted:problem is i live in an apartment and to hear the voices i have to have my receiver at around -10 and those loud booms get me in trouble when the subwoofer kicks in If the subwoofer kicks in other than when the LFE track calls for it to play then you're doing it wrong. The LFE never kicks in unless they want to physically shake the room.
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Jun 6, 2013 13:39
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Install Gentoo posted:making the voices ridiculously quiet and the other noises ridiculously loud isnt actually taking advantage of the range. The whole definition of "dynamic range" is "how big of a difference is there between the quietest thing, and the loudest thing" every +3dB is twice as loud a movie which mixes their dialogue at -12dB FS (0 is full blast) could potentially get 16 times louder than the mix of the dialogue. Guns/explosions/etc are more than 16 times louder than normal 60dB speaking voice. 72dB is barely a yelling voice.
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Jun 6, 2013 13:44
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Most Movies are 12 dB in room from dialogue to 0 Most games are 8 dB in room from dialogue to 0 Most TV shows are 3dB in room from dialogue to 0 Most Music is has 1dB of headroom because yall fuckers think it sounds better. Dolby Digital solves this Dynamic range problem by reducing it if the user requests, or plugs into a lovely medium. You can't un-do dynamic range compression and that's why music people are angry, as they are stuck with a mix that is designed for lovely headphones and will never feel good on bigger system.
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Jun 6, 2013 13:48
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pagancow posted:The whole definition of "dynamic range" is "how big of a difference is there between the quietest thing, and the loudest thing" Okay I take this back, it could potentially get up to 81 dB if ALL OF THE SPEAKERS are firing a tone at 72dB. 81 Is p loud. But realistically it's going to be about 60-80dB and that 80dB will be TOUCHED only when something really big explodes, in ALL OF THE SPEAKERS w/ music, and w/ someone screaming all at the same time.
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Jun 6, 2013 13:51
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haha like you got 6 speakers.
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Jun 6, 2013 13:55
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flyboi posted:i use analog digital out from my htpc and it still does it and i have paradigm studio series speakers WMP has "quiet mode" which is the same thing
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Jun 6, 2013 15:10
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is there a simple way to dynamic range compression on mp4 files. i have a poo poo setup and that's how i like it, gently caress cinema mixes
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Jun 6, 2013 15:38
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yeah is there any good way to kill that dynamic range that sucks so much on some older music? just kidding, im trying to "stir the pos" so to speak
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Nomnom Cookie posted:is there a simple way to dynamic range compression on mp4 files. i have a poo poo setup and that's how i like it, gently caress cinema mixes Set it up in your hardware chain? TVs almost always have some level of DRC in them. Audio Receivers usually do too. Also if you're in a room that is hardwood floors with stone flat walls, it will always sound like poo poo hth
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Jun 6, 2013 16:11
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homeopathic music dynamic range... 30c successions of encoding into 32k mono MP3 then reencoding back into FLAC
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pagancow posted:thats because you're using a drat PC that probablly uses FFDshow for it's AC3 decoder instead of a real one made from the Dolby SDK lol no it's windows media center's cable control thingy all my cable tv comes in through ~magic~ i'm not a sperg who setup a htpc to watch my mkv animes
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Honestly I wish they'd make it a quasi-requirement that your Blu-ray or whatever have a 2.0 track in much the same way iTunes purchases have a mandatory 2.0 AAC track. Like the Dolby Headphone mix a precious few number of movies have. I mean, back in DVD's early days even loving Criterion was refusing to put out widescreen enhanced DVDs specifically because almost no one had equipment for it and the 4:3 crushing that DVD players did loving sucked, now all of a sudden it's like "nope can't afford to put a 200 meg 192kbps 2.0 audio track on a 50 gig disc"  They literally released something like 50 movies before they finally went anamorphic and only reissued a handful of the earlier discs (Charade and Brazil got reissued, and Yojimbo/Sanjuro eventually got better editions).
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flyboi posted:lol no it's windows media center's cable control thingy nah ur beyond sperg using a cable card and an hdhomerun prime. p.s. the newer firmwares have dlna support and support for whatever the drm extensions for dlna are so maybe sometime in the future we'll be able to watch stuff w/out wmc. Not that wmc is bad, it would just be nice to be able to watch something on other devices or maybe make it easier to decrypt and stream it elsewhere.
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ya it kinda works i have the beta firmware on mine but samsung sucks at dlna and i can't use it on my smart tv works fine on the ps3 though, just really obnoxious without a guide sucks balls on ipad tho because lol no mpeg 2 acceleration 
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Shaggar posted:nah ur beyond sperg using a cable card and an hdhomerun prime. p.s. the newer firmwares have dlna support and support for whatever the drm extensions for dlna are so maybe sometime in the future we'll be able to watch stuff w/out wmc. Not that wmc is bad, it would just be nice to be able to watch something on other devices or maybe make it easier to decrypt and stream it elsewhere. watch one ur xbox 360 windows media extender software for windows 8 windows media center pcs
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univbee posted:Honestly I wish they'd make it a quasi-requirement that your Blu-ray or whatever have a 2.0 track in much the same way iTunes purchases have a mandatory 2.0 AAC track. Like the Dolby Headphone mix a precious few number of movies have. I mean, back in DVD's early days even loving Criterion was refusing to put out widescreen enhanced DVDs specifically because almost no one had equipment for it and the 4:3 crushing that DVD players did loving sucked, now all of a sudden it's like "nope can't afford to put a 200 meg 192kbps 2.0 audio track on a 50 gig disc" Having multiple Mixes is usually a waste of time and disk space What's a better solution: Your TV doing the DRC on its own becuase you hooked up via RCA? Or: User selecting the 2.0 mix because they just want to watch a loving movie after working all day? hmmm
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every Comcast Cable box I've seen has some level of DRC on by default. You had to turn it off if you wanted your movies not to sound like poo poo.
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pagancow posted:Set it up in your hardware chain? hardware chain. heh. my "hardware chain" is an appletv hooked to a tv. sometimes dvdrips i download will have too much dynamic range and i need an easy way to make the dialogue louder like does ffmpeg have a DRC filter
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flyboi posted:ya it kinda works i have the beta firmware on mine but samsung sucks at dlna and i can't use it on my smart tv I got my parents a hdhomerun prime (lol) and they have one of those newer Samsung tvs and it didn't work their either. but lmao @ ios not being able to decode mpeg2
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pagancow posted:The whole definition of "dynamic range" is "how big of a difference is there between the quietest thing, and the loudest thing" +3 dB is twice the power, but it takes +10 dB to be twice as loud
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Nomnom Cookie posted:hardware chain. heh. my "hardware chain" is an appletv hooked to a tv. sometimes dvdrips i download will have too much dynamic range and i need an easy way to make the dialogue louder you could compile it in hahahahhahah just use your TV's DRC
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Coughing-up Tweed posted:+3 dB is twice the power, but it takes +10 dB to be twice as loud Oops you're right about +10db for "percieved loudness" level. So yeah there isn't as much dynamic range as I thought! http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-levelchange.htm 3dB is correct about doubling the power.
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