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IT Guy
Jan 12, 2010

You people drink like you don't want to live!
Oh thank gently caress, we have 16 SonicPoints deployed, each one more lovely than the other.

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diehlr
Apr 17, 2003
Remember not to use restricted post tags next time.

zalmoxes posted:

Woah! It looks like SonicWall actually has plans to update their firmware to make the wireless suck less.
http://www.sonicwallonline.co.uk/News/SonicOS-5-9-Imminent-Biggest-update-ever.html

The biggest complaint I hear is that is flat out doesn't work well. New features look good on paper, but don't really count if they don't work.

Syano
Jul 13, 2005

zalmoxes posted:

Woah! It looks like SonicWall actually has plans to update their firmware to make the wireless suck less.
http://www.sonicwallonline.co.uk/News/SonicOS-5-9-Imminent-Biggest-update-ever.html

That's a pretty massive feature list for wireless. Maybe it will make us take a second look at sonicwalls wireless solution because right now it blows

EDIT: Its sort of enterprise wireless... anywho, what has me most excited about the Sonicos 5.9 release is integrated support for 4g usb modems. I can go plug my 4g devices directly into the unit rather than use these stupid cradlepoints

Syano fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Mar 26, 2013

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Aquila posted:

At Ubiqiti's price point and the fact you don't have a big upfront (or ever) cost of a controller I'd recommend buying one just to play with, even if you have to use personal funds to do so, it's what I did. Also note that they're likely going to be announcing a new Unifi AP of some sort very soon (this week possibly).

http://www.ubnt.com/announcing-unifi-3

They announced everything the other day. UniFi 3.0 software is coming April 15 and 802.11ac access points are coming in May at $299 a pop.

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

That's sweet, their forums were suffering rampant white knighting saying 802.11ac APs would not be available till 2015/6. Now just waiting on timb for laptops to match.

MrMoo fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 27, 2013

zalmoxes
Sep 30, 2009

:eurovision:
I installed SonicOS 5.9 on the NSA 2400 today and was pleasantly surprised. SonicWALL implemented CAPWAP! and it works!
They also added a decent CLI in the new release.

GOOCHY
Sep 17, 2003

In an interstellar burst I'm back to save the universe!
I bought a Ubiquiti Airrouter to replace my aging Linksys b/g wireless unit. Anybody have an opinion on that gear? It seems to get pretty favorable reviews.

other people
Jun 27, 2004
Associate Christ

GOOCHY posted:

I bought a Ubiquiti Airrouter to replace my aging Linksys b/g wireless unit. Anybody have an opinion on that gear? It seems to get pretty favorable reviews.

I didn't think the AirRouter was being made any more?

The Unifi access points are awesome though, and a single unit works great for in-home wifi.

GOOCHY
Sep 17, 2003

In an interstellar burst I'm back to save the universe!

Kaluza-Klein posted:

I didn't think the AirRouter was being made any more?

The Unifi access points are awesome though, and a single unit works great for in-home wifi.

Seems to still be out there and for sale on newegg.com and amazon.com. I picked mine up from newegg last night.

Tony Montana
Aug 6, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Just on the Cisco kit, I designed and implemented about 15 wireless networks in hospitals using the 1140 APs and a WLC to tie it all together. Used reasonably light WAN links to have only the APs at the sites and a single WLC back at HQ. There is some cool stuff the 1140s can do where if the WAN link fails they can continue to auth in a reduced fashion, but access doesn't stop. Of course most of the critical apps operate through these WAN links too, so all hell will break loose and probably the wifi network is the least of their worries. When I used the WLC I have to say it was kinda clunky, it was cool and all and did the funky stuff like monitor the networks and cover a dead AP by jacking up signal on the surrounding ones, but the firmware and software was buggy as poo poo and the Cisco TAC pretty regularly just said 'oh yeah, no that's hosed. Here put on this pre-release stuff and it should be better.. kinda'.

The final network was pretty kickass though, to the extent they could throw away their phone system and go to the Cisco wireless phones (7921). I think they wanted to end up with a kiosk system too, once they'd implemented some QoS, so the residents could use the network and if old Joe wanted to start torrenting horse-porn, it wouldn't slow down the front desk using the scheduling app. I don't know what ended up happening (I moved on), but yeah, it was a cool job and the Cisco kit itself was of the usual high standards. But yeah, if you're thinking of going down this route be sure you ask the Cisco rep about that WLC software and if it still sucks.

carlcarlson
Jun 20, 2008
Wanted to chime in and say that thanks to this thread we replaced our patchwork lovely wifi with a 3-pack of the UniFi APs and had everything configured and deployed in about 10 minutes. It's nice to be able to see how many devices are actually connected on each AP, as I had no idea of the actual usage on our old shitboxes.

Although the warning to keep it at least 20 centimeters away from a person made me a little nervous while I had the first one at my desk :ohdear:

Fly
Nov 3, 2002

moral compass

carlcarlson posted:

Wanted to chime in and say that thanks to this thread we replaced our patchwork lovely wifi with a 3-pack of the UniFi APs and had everything configured and deployed in about 10 minutes. It's nice to be able to see how many devices are actually connected on each AP, as I had no idea of the actual usage on our old shitboxes.

Although the warning to keep it at least 20 centimeters away from a person made me a little nervous while I had the first one at my desk :ohdear:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_burn

Keep it away from your retinas at least.
The APs have much less power than a microwave oven though (< 1W vs 1.1 kW in the oven).

ior
Nov 21, 2003

What's a fuckass?

Mierdaan posted:

Our Cisco 1131AG APs are like $400 w/ smartnet.

Keep in mind that is technology from 2006...

Gism0
Mar 20, 2003

huuuh?

Kaluza-Klein posted:

I didn't think the AirRouter was being made any more?

The Unifi access points are awesome though, and a single unit works great for in-home wifi.

I've been running a single Picostation m2hp for the past year in my home (paired with a MikroTik RB450G.) The range is fantastic, it covers the entire house and halfway down the street! Though it's only a 1x1 device so I guess it could be faster.

I think I'll upgrade to the new Unifi AP AC once there's stock in Australia, I've also heard you can upgrade the Picostation's firmware to UniFi - Anyone got any experience with that?

zalmoxes
Sep 30, 2009

:eurovision:
Anyone have experience with Meru wireless?
We're considering switching to either Meraki or Meru this summer. I currently have 5 MR16s from Meraki to evaluate for a month, and they're decent, but I havent had a chance to play with Meru gear yet.

Mierdaan
Sep 14, 2004

Pillbug

ior posted:

Keep in mind that is technology from 2006...

Oh definitely - sorry, I forgot you couldn't hear the disdain in my voice. If we had it to do over again, we wouldn't go this route. Mixing cheap 1131ag APs with an expensive 5508 at a SMB with low requirements doesn't make a ton of sense, but it's stable and consumes zero of my time at this point.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


zalmoxes posted:

Anyone have experience with Meru wireless?
We're considering switching to either Meraki or Meru this summer. I currently have 5 MR16s from Meraki to evaluate for a month, and they're decent, but I havent had a chance to play with Meru gear yet.

You know, my company carries Meru, and in theory I'm supposed to be able to design a Meru deployment if a customer ever asked me to. Just... in 2 years, I don't think I've ever had a customer ask me to. Supposedly, they do some voodoo majick that lets everything run on the same channel, and I guess you don't need a site survey? I'd probably get one anyways, but good luck finding someone that specializes in Meru to do one. :shrug:

SpaceRangerJoe
Dec 24, 2003

The little hand says it's time to rock and roll.
Jumping on the Unifi bandwagon here. I had a couple standard APs at a branch location for a few months a year ago, and they worked very well. When that location closed, I brought them back to our corporate office. I replaced a pair of Apple TimeCapsules that were used as wireless APs (with one bridged to the other). Now I have 4 unifi APs, each broadcasting our 3 SSIDs. We have a Corp, Guest and one for a bunch of training laptops. I've seen over 120 devices active at a time, and we've never had a problem. I had wanted to use their built in guest network feature for a captive portal, but I ended up just running it all through our router and handling the VLANs there. I've had probably 50 devices connected to a single AP before and haven't seen any problems.

I do wish that I could block devices from connecting to a particular wireless lan, but not the whole system. The V3 stuff with no drop roaming looks pretty cool too. I don't think people have any problems with that, but it will make me happy to see it work a bit more smoothly. For less than $400 in hardware, we are very pleased with it.

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!
I think I'm one of the only people that has had bad luck with the UniFi devices.

After some period of time, sometimes minutes, sometimes hours, every Android device in the building is suddenly no longer able to connect to the AP. They'll get caught in a loop where they constantly disconnect and reconnect after trying to obtain a DHCP lease. Sometimes iOS devices act the same way, and we've been only seen a Windows device suffer the same problem once.

RMA'd the unit, the replacement does the same thing. Tried the 3.1.1 beta firmware, no luck. Their support guys have no idea what's going on, and we can't reproduce the problem on demand.

What are the sane alternatives? We only need one AP, as long as it can cover the same range as the UniFi LR. We don't need anything remotely fancy, just WPA2 and the ability to assign a tagged VLAN to an SSID.

I still want to get my hands on the EdgeRouter Lite...

McGlockenshire fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Apr 21, 2013

fed_dude
May 31, 2004
Hoping I could get a little SonicWall help here. I've got a client with a SonicWall and then a SonicPoint attached to it. They have a corporate SSID, works fine. Then they have a guest SSID. I can connect, and I can open web pages (and ping) with the IP, but not the URL. So DNS, right? Except it's got the same DNS settings as the corporate does. And they claim it worked up until recently. I've been all through the sonicwall config, didn't see anything that jumped out at me, and no one would have been in there changing anything except me anyway. So WTF?

stevewm
May 10, 2005
I assume you have the Sonicwall serving DHCP on this guest SSID... I would have them connect a computer to the guest SSID and run a ipconfig /all to make sure the client is getting a good IP/DNS.

If they are then my next step would be touse the Packet Monitor function on the Sonicwall. Set it up to grab traffic on the SonicPoint interface. If they try to load a webpage, you should see a DNS request packet come in (UDP, port 53) and be consumed/forwarded, not dropped.

Syano
Jul 13, 2005

fed_dude posted:

Hoping I could get a little SonicWall help here. I've got a client with a SonicWall and then a SonicPoint attached to it. They have a corporate SSID, works fine. Then they have a guest SSID. I can connect, and I can open web pages (and ping) with the IP, but not the URL. So DNS, right? Except it's got the same DNS settings as the corporate does. And they claim it worked up until recently. I've been all through the sonicwall config, didn't see anything that jumped out at me, and no one would have been in there changing anything except me anyway. So WTF?

Latest firmware?

InstantInfidel
Jan 9, 2010

BEST :10bux: I EVER SPENT

McGlockenshire posted:

I think I'm one of the only people that has had bad luck with the UniFi devices.

After some period of time, sometimes minutes, sometimes hours, every Android device in the building is suddenly no longer able to connect to the AP. They'll get caught in a loop where they constantly disconnect and reconnect after trying to obtain a DHCP lease. Sometimes iOS devices act the same way, and we've been only seen a Windows device suffer the same problem once.

RMA'd the unit, the replacement does the same thing. Tried the 3.1.1 beta firmware, no luck. Their support guys have no idea what's going on, and we can't reproduce the problem on demand.

What are the sane alternatives? We only need one AP, as long as it can cover the same range as the UniFi LR. We don't need anything remotely fancy, just WPA2 and the ability to assign a tagged VLAN to an SSID.

I still want to get my hands on the EdgeRouter Lite...

That sounds suspiciously like something else in your network could be the issue. What routers/switches/modem are you using?

stevewm
May 10, 2005

McGlockenshire posted:

I think I'm one of the only people that has had bad luck with the UniFi devices.

After some period of time, sometimes minutes, sometimes hours, every Android device in the building is suddenly no longer able to connect to the AP. They'll get caught in a loop where they constantly disconnect and reconnect after trying to obtain a DHCP lease. Sometimes iOS devices act the same way, and we've been only seen a Windows device suffer the same problem once.

RMA'd the unit, the replacement does the same thing. Tried the 3.1.1 beta firmware, no luck. Their support guys have no idea what's going on, and we can't reproduce the problem on demand.

What are the sane alternatives? We only need one AP, as long as it can cover the same range as the UniFi LR. We don't need anything remotely fancy, just WPA2 and the ability to assign a tagged VLAN to an SSID.

I still want to get my hands on the EdgeRouter Lite...

I vote something on your network is definitely suspicious.

We have 7 different sites with 2-3 UAP LRs each and 2 SSIDs (one tagged, another one not tagged). We have a ton of employee android and iOS devices connecting to our guest network and some android tablets connecting to our staff SSID, never had a issue with any of them. Using Windows DHCP servers at each site. Running UniFi 2.3.8. The only issue we did have where some legacy Symbol devices that where speaking an older version of the WPA/TKIP protocol that the UniFi APs did not understand, which Ubiquiti fixed in a firmware update.

One thing I have found, and this has held true with most wireless access points I have used; is to not use the "weird" security settings. For example, use only WPA-TKIP, or WPA2-AES. Any other combinations or the "both" mode available on many APs usually causes some devices to have issues connecting. Also, for the 2.4Ghz band stick with 20mhz channels (the HT20 setting in UniFi). Lots of devices have issues with 40mhz channels on 2.4Ghz.

stevewm fucked around with this message at 13:57 on May 16, 2013

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Did Ubiquiti ship a wireless controller for UniFi yet?

stevewm
May 10, 2005

psydude posted:

Did Ubiquiti ship a wireless controller for UniFi yet?

What do you mean by this? A wireless controller appliance?

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

stevewm posted:

What do you mean by this? A wireless controller appliance?

Could be a virtual server or a program. I'm just talking about something that supports movement between APs without a loss in connection and that supports multiple SSIDs.

ptier
Jul 2, 2007

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
Pillbug

psydude posted:

Could be a virtual server or a program. I'm just talking about something that supports movement between APs without a loss in connection and that supports multiple SSIDs.

Still in for 3.0 but it is not out of beta yet.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

psydude posted:

Could be a virtual server or a program. I'm just talking about something that supports movement between APs without a loss in connection and that supports multiple SSIDs.

In the 3.x software they have a "zero hand off" feature. It requires all APs to be on the same channel. It allows devices to move between APs with minimal to no interruption. All APs in the zero hand-off group appear as single AP to clients.

The UniFi controller software is still only used for configuration, statistics, and for running the guest client portal (if used). Even the new zero-hand off feature doesn't require the controller to be running, as its handled entirely by the APs themselves.

McGlockenshire
Dec 16, 2005

GOLLOCKS!

InstantInfidel posted:

That sounds suspiciously like something else in your network could be the issue. What routers/switches/modem are you using?

stevewm posted:

I vote something on your network is definitely suspicious.

Na, it wasn't. We picked up another AP from another vendor, and it demonstrated the same behavior. The exact same behavior. Yet a simple consumer device running DD-WRT had no problems at all.

So we now had three different APs to work with (the UniFi, the "replacement" and a cheap consumer unit running DD-WRT), so we proceeded to go through every single possible thing that could cause problems, and couldn't cause problems.

At first we thought it was something wrong with the Atheros SoC in both the UniFi and the other unit, but that didn't end up being it.

Both the UniFi and the other new unit do automatic "best" channel detection. When we forced the units to sit only on one channel, the incorrect Android behavior disappeared. It's been stable for a few days now, with only one device causing any sort of trouble... and, well, it's running a very not-stock Android version, so we're just blaming it on the phone vendor.

McGlockenshire fucked around with this message at 17:58 on May 16, 2013

stevewm
May 10, 2005

McGlockenshire posted:

....Both the UniFi and the other new unit do automatic "best" channel detection. When we forced the units to sit only on one channel, the incorrect Android behavior disappeared.....


Could be why we have never had a problem. I've never let the AP decide the channel, I have always set it myself.

GOOCHY
Sep 17, 2003

In an interstellar burst I'm back to save the universe!
I wonder if that's the problem with my wife's Nexus 10 dropping wireless connections to my AirRouter. I'll have to take a look at that tonight.

former glory
Jul 11, 2011

Does anyone have some knowledge they can share on putting up point-to-point links in the 3km range? I'm looking to link my house to a friend's house in order to get reliable broadband to my rural location. I've been researching a bit and it seems like a 5Ghz MiMo link is pretty state of the art for this sort of connection right now, but is it overboard? The model I'm currently set on is a Ligowave set: http://www.ligowave.com/ligoptp-5-23-pro, which is coming in around $1200 for the set. I assume most other vendors will be in that range for the equivalent gear.

Is it worth considering lower frequency unlicensed spectrums, like 2.4Ghz? I figure what I save by going that route -- maybe $400 -- I will give back in aggravation due to interference issues. I'd love to hear recommendations or caveats from anyone who has put up a PTP connection for whatever application. Even some good vendors would be appreciated. Thanks!

edit:url typo

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



You want a pair of Ubiquiti airGrids (non-MIMO, up to 100Mbps actual throughput) or Nanobridges (2x2 MIMO, up to 150Mbps actual throughput). Get them here or here for about $60-80 per side. No need to pay $1200 for a 5GHz PTP link.

5GHz should be fine for that length link. Make sure you have good line-of-sight, including the first Fresnel zone and you'll be golden.

SamDabbers fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jun 6, 2013

former glory
Jul 11, 2011

SamDabbers posted:

You want a pair of Ubiquiti airGrids. Get them here for $70 per side. No need to pay $1200 for a wireless PTP link.

You just blew my mind. :aaaaa:

It's so much cheaper than these other systems that it has me scrambling for any obvious deficiencies. The only thing I see being a possible issue is the lower power output of the units, but those Ligowave units are spec'd for > 100km, whereas I just need 3 -- s'all good!

Can I typically get away with a few treetops in the line of these things? I've never pointed any before, but my line seems pretty direct on flat ground, with both antennae sitting on TV towers at about 30'.

former glory fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jun 6, 2013

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



former glory posted:

You just blew my mind. :aaaaa:

It's so much cheaper than these other systems that it has me scrambling for any obvious deficiencies. The only thing I see being a possible issue is the lower power output of the units, but those Ligowave units are spec'd for > 100km, whereas I just need 3 -- s'all good!

Does the line of sight have to be perfect with these systems, or can I typically get away with a few treetops?

Ubiquiti is big in the wireless ISP space, and are generally regarded as reliable and excellent bang for the buck. The OS on these is Linux/OpenWRT-based and open-source so you can tinker with it too if that's your thing.

If you don't have a clear Fresnel zone, you may actually benefit from lower frequencies, since those penetrate structures (including wood) better. There are 2.4GHz versions of both those models too. As far as the power output goes, those models are advertised for 20-30km so that shouldn't be a problem with your 3km distance. The clear LOS is quite important for a good connection. If the trees aren't ridiculously tall, maybe you can put up a taller pole on each end?

Partycat
Oct 25, 2004

former glory posted:

Can I typically get away with a few treetops in the line of these things? I've never pointed any before, but my line seems pretty direct on flat ground, with both antennae sitting on TV towers at about 30'.

Probably. I have a friend running a pair of nanostations 5GHz with the power cranked up all the way, through two apartment buildings, walls, cars, and bushes, at ground level. It connects between -80 and -90dBm which is terrible but it connects and operates well (~10Mbps or so) given the conditions.

former glory
Jul 11, 2011

SamDabbers posted:

Ubiquiti is big in the wireless ISP space, and are generally regarded as reliable and excellent bang for the buck. The OS on these is Linux/OpenWRT-based and open-source so you can tinker with it too if that's your thing.

If you don't have a clear Fresnel zone, you may actually benefit from lower frequencies, since those penetrate structures (including wood) better. There are 2.4GHz versions of both those models too. As far as the power output goes, those models are advertised for 20-30km so that shouldn't be a problem with your 3km distance. The clear LOS is quite important for a good connection. If the trees aren't ridiculously tall, maybe you can put up a taller pole on each end?

OpenWRT is definitely a plus - I like to tinker. I'm considering the higher pole if need be, since we can both add to our TV antennae. I'm going to climb up and assess the line a bit better tomorrow when it isn't raining, but I'm thinking I'll start with the 5G link and hope for the best, and then move to potential tower mods after that. All great suggestions, thanks again.

former glory
Jul 11, 2011

I've got a site survey booked for next week to assess the feasibility of a tower up to 80' to get LOS to the ISP. Basically they have a van that can measure the signal with a pole up to that height and give me a yea or nay on the spot. The price they're ballparking for a full 80' is about $5k, scaling down from there with the actual height -- does that seem reasonable? I know I should shop this around, but the part of me that has been using LTE internet service capped at 15GB/month for a long time just wants to get this done and over with.

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the spyder
Feb 18, 2011

McGlockenshire posted:

I think I'm one of the only people that has had bad luck with the UniFi devices.

After some period of time, sometimes minutes, sometimes hours, every Android device in the building is suddenly no longer able to connect to the AP. They'll get caught in a loop where they constantly disconnect and reconnect after trying to obtain a DHCP lease. Sometimes iOS devices act the same way, and we've been only seen a Windows device suffer the same problem once.

RMA'd the unit, the replacement does the same thing. Tried the 3.1.1 beta firmware, no luck. Their support guys have no idea what's going on, and we can't reproduce the problem on demand.

What are the sane alternatives? We only need one AP, as long as it can cover the same range as the UniFi LR. We don't need anything remotely fancy, just WPA2 and the ability to assign a tagged VLAN to an SSID.

I still want to get my hands on the EdgeRouter Lite...
I'm in the same boat- except with latest gen Apple products. It only affects RMBP, iPad3/4, MBA.
Everything else is fine.

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