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PunkBoy posted:Zack Ryder retired Tommy Dreamer. Tommy Dreamer wrestled in TNA for a while after that, and also works indie shows to this day
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Jun 9, 2013 03:21
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Tommy Dreamer wrestled in WWE like half a year ago.
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Jun 9, 2013 03:23
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Zack Ryder only retired Tommy Dreamers' shirt that day.
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Jun 9, 2013 03:30
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Somehow I completely forgot about that 3MB match.
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Sheamus murdered Jamie Noble. "GET 'EM AGAIN, BIG RED!"
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oatgan posted:Tommy Dreamer wrestled in TNA for a while after that, and also works indie shows to this day Oh drat, forgot about that.
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dont remember if it was mentioned but tony mamaluke is another who has worked all 5 major US feds
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Skinty McEdger posted:Also HHH has spoken about wanting one more match with Shawn to round off both their careers, so I'm pretty sure it's less if more when. D-X vs Undertaker at Mania 30, Undertaker still wins.
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Let's get back to discussing WCW. I don't know if this was posted here recently, but here's a nice little collection of Raven's Flock videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/RavensFlockClassics This is the kind of stuff that made me prefer WCW to the WWF, from '97 till '99, which is when they started giving Raven those cringe worthy skits with Kanyon and Raven's upper middle class family. It's not that it wasn't funny, it's that it was handled poorly.
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Rad R. posted:Let's get back to discussing WCW. I dunno, I kind of like them, but then I love goofy poo poo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_-fOC2RD4 Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jun 9, 2013 |
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Yeah, I actually kind of like them in that 'so bad it's good' kind of way, but I was a massive mark for Raven and still prefer his Flock/cult leader angles.
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I loved some of the Raven's flock videos. It's a shame promotions don't try stuff like this anymore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei_DAZexqDw
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Chromatic posted:I loved some of the Raven's flock videos. It's a shame promotions don't try stuff like this anymore. Ugh, this was one of my favorite WCW moments as a teenager. I was a Raven fanboy since ECW so seeing him on a bigger stage as the same character doing the same kind of thing was incredible for me; then, seeing him pop up on loving MTV and DDT DDP (so many acronyms) through a coffee table blew my mind.
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VogeGandire posted:Yeah, I'd agree, it's probably the best heel turn in history. The timing, the setup, it was all absolutely perfect. The one thing I thought was strange about Hogan's promo when he turned was that he was talking about how these guys were from an organization up north, and that he knew more about that organization than anyone else. Hadn't they basically gone out of their way to say that it was emphatically not a legitimate cross-promotional thing/invasion, because of some legal issues?
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Am I the only one that always hated Raven? Every angle was the same and they always felt like he was writing his own fanfiction about how awesome Raven is.
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Judeccahedron posted:The one thing I thought was strange about Hogan's promo when he turned was that he was talking about how these guys were from an organization up north, and that he knew more about that organization than anyone else. Hadn't they basically gone out of their way to say that it was emphatically not a legitimate cross-promotional thing/invasion, because of some legal issues? They had to come out and say flatly that Hall and Nash didn't work for "that company up north" anymore, but it was still like an invasion/take over thing especially once they revealed Hogan as the third guy.
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oatgan posted:Am I the only one that always hated Raven? Every angle was the same and they always felt like he was writing his own fanfiction about how awesome Raven is. I liked his feud with Tommy Dreamer, but pretty much the rest of his career is him being a massive mark for himself.
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oatgan posted:Am I the only one that always hated Raven? Every angle was the same and they always felt like he was writing his own fanfiction about how awesome Raven is. I remember liking his feud with Chris Benoit and DDP. I loved his short lived WCW face turn with Perry Saturn as his tag partner.
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oatgan posted:they always felt like he was writing his own fanfiction about how awesome Raven is. How do you figure? Most of his angles were about the Raven character being a sleazy, whiny jerk who needed flunkies to beat up his opponents, and he spent most of his matches selling and getting beaten up.
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I'll post this in the right thread this time... All this Raven talk reminds me of the best Raven, when it was revealed he was really just a spoiled rich kid from the suburbs
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And I'll post this in the right thread too: That entire angle can be forgiven because Kanyon taking the flip bump into the pool is the funniest thing in wrestling history.
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According to Meltzer, Michael Buffer got around $10,000 for every individual Nitro or PPV he did an intro for. $10,000 each for all those "Bret the Hit Man Clark" intros. His intro for Dennis Rodman is my favorite - "His fierce competitiveness and desire to win has earned him the label of 'bad boy', and he's proud of it. Because he's so good, he's as bad as he wants to be. And that's very, very bad. Ladies and gentleman, the ultimate bad boy, Dennis Rodman!" God drat, so many people got so filthy rich off the worst run wrestling company in existence. WCW's failure is really astounding on so many levels. Even Meltzer, who has covered almost every detail of wrestling for so long, it still astounded by it when he talks on the radio show. How could one company torpedo 90% of its worth in less than a year?!
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I wish I was on WCW's payroll in the mid-90s
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Tato posted:According to Meltzer, Michael Buffer got around $10,000 for every individual Nitro or PPV he did an intro for. $10,000 each for all those "Bret the Hit Man Clark" intros. His intro for Dennis Rodman is my favorite - "His fierce competitiveness and desire to win has earned him the label of 'bad boy', and he's proud of it. Because he's so good, he's as bad as he wants to be. And that's very, very bad. Ladies and gentleman, the ultimate bad boy, Dennis Rodman!" Is it bad my first thought was "Only $10,000 an appearance?"
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Great White Hope posted:Is it bad my first thought was "Only $10,000 an appearance?" That was mine as well
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I thought it came out that Buffer was getting paid literally by the word, which is why he would be so needlessly verbose in his intros?
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cunny mcalister posted:I thought it came out that Buffer was getting paid literally by the word, which is why he would be so needlessly verbose in his intros? It's...plausible. That sounds EXACTLY like something WCW would do.
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Quantity over quality
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How much did WCW shell out for the KISS demon?
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I've never seen an exact figure, just a generic statement of "millions."
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Great White Hope posted:Is it bad my first thought was "Only $10,000 an appearance?" The internet legend around his appearance is that he was paid upwards of six figures for his appearances so it's not surprising people would be surprised he made "so little." I liked the idea of using him for PPV main events, but for Nitros (I remember some weeks he would introduce a promo?) it seemed silly.
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MD2020 posted:How much did WCW shell out for the KISS demon? Considering the return they got on him, the answer is clearly "way too loving much", Although I do enjoy that to get around the provision in the contract they had with Gene Simmons that dictated he main event at least one PPV, they just put him in a throwaway match on some PPV and referred to it as a "special main event". El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jun 10, 2013 |
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Oh, my god. Look at the television examples.
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oatgan posted:Am I the only one that always hated Raven? Every angle was the same and they always felt like he was writing his own fanfiction about how awesome Raven is. i dont hate raven but i do find his smug "look at me im so smart" poo poo really obnoxious
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cool-haired luke posted:i dont hate raven but i do find his smug "look at me im so smart" poo poo really obnoxious That is why I liked him better in WCW because he actually got his comeuppance unlike in ECW.
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The way he debuted in WCW was awesome. A very weird angle with Stevie Richards. I don't think the WWF had anything like that at the time. Still, even that is an example of how WCW didn't have long term plans. They were pushing Raven for a long time, especially during his US Title feud with DDP, but after getting jobbed to Goldberg and doing a comedy gimmick, he was going nowhere so he just left.
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Phenix Rising posted:They had to come out and say flatly that Hall and Nash didn't work for "that company up north" anymore, but it was still like an invasion/take over thing especially once they revealed Hogan as the third guy. Ah, okay. One thing about that reveal is that even aside from the part at the end, the commentary has some of Schiavone's best work, like the part where he's saying "I guess this was planned all the way back in '94." You can practically hear the  in his voice.I do think the earlier idea of having Heenan say something to the effect of "I never thought I'd be saying this, but come on Hogan!" only to say "Of course, the one time I actually decide to trust Hogan, he stabs me in the back." Also, didn't Madden try to do the "Hulk Hogan, you can go to hell" line at the 2000 Bash at the Beach?
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I think my favorite part of the Hogan turn was that one dingus who tried to jump into the ring and just got immediately stomped the gently caress out.
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haljordan posted:I think my favorite part of the Hogan turn was that one dingus who tried to jump into the ring and just got immediately stomped the gently caress out. I had forgotten about this. Hall loving stomps him in the head repeatedly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq2XB9tDdm8
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