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SAN FRANCISCO/CASK 1:Awesomazing posted:I think this guy has pretty much figured out SF. clockworx posted:That's really cool. Some seem like a stretch ("stone walls door" when you're miles away from Alcatraz, and I'm sure you could find "education" and "justice" almost anywhere). The picture seems like a definite match (especially with the backwards Gh), but it seems to mostly be the verse parts that are pushing it. I wonder if it's possible he's right about the location and picture, but pushing the wrong verse? Russian Hill was mentioned last week. We looked at the Russian Hill park when we went into SF on Saturday: check a few pages back for our pictures. It doesn't match: being able to see the 'Gh' is completely reliant on a very specific level of tree growth (we could not see the 'GH' from beside the pole), there's nothing else that matches from the picture, and it's using a verse which another city is pretty sure is theirs. We have more matches in a different park. Seriously, if you haven't checked the pictures from Saturday, go and do that and fold that information into your calculations. Fistgrrl posted:I'm pretty sure some goons in this very thread went there.  GENERAL I don't like the way so many theories twist the verses around to fit, without doing a dang thing with the pictures. The pictures are macro-scale guides (review the Cleveland cask) and focusing on a verse while ignoring the picture means you're throwing out at least 50% of the clue. I especially don't like this because for some of the casks we still don't know for sure which verse applies. ChickenOfTomorrow fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:GENERAL Is it fair to say we don't 100% know that any particular verse goes with any particular picture apart from the ones that have been found?
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TotalHell posted:Is it fair to say we don't 100% know that any particular verse goes with any particular picture apart from the ones that have been found? Some pictures have a "generally accepted" riddle associated with them; presumably this association came from the Q4T work. Of the verses that are still up for grabs (i.e. not "generally accepted" to apply to a certain picture) it seems no-one wants to claim verse 5, and everyone wants verse 7 to apply to 'their' picture.
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TotalHell posted:I think people are understandably wary of digging in public/state/national parks, or even asking permission to do so lest you come off as a weirdo or just get flatly denied. This is the sad reality of today. It's not easy to dig in public parks in the middle of large cities. You want to be drat sure before you start digging holes. Plus, these parks are huge and the casks small. BJG, I can understand your frustration, you're across the pond and have some really good ideas that no one seems to be following up -- and you can't follow them up either. I do plan on going to Houston soon, but it is three hours from Austin by car (and I'm considered close, if you can believe that!). I can't make a whole bunch of trips, so I'm trying to run down as many possibilities from here as I can before I go. I anticipate spending significant time in Hermann park, but I'll probably scout other areas. If you have a way to video conference with someone with a US iPhone (Skype?), I'd be more than happy to do that from the park so that you can "see" the park a little better. Nothing like being there and all that. All the other locations are too far for me to realistically visit unless I happen to end up there for work or vacation. San Francisco is a five hour plane ride across two time zones, for instance. The US is big in ways I find that Europeans typically don't understand. I do appreciate what wilhouse did. He was convinced it was in the Children's Zoo and drat near dug the whole place up. That's impressive. He also lived in Houston and it still took him years to get to that point. I've been looking at this for a week. I don't know enough yet to feel confident doing productive digging. Last, I'm not trying to throw the baby out with the bath water, but I was amazed reading back through the threads just how much accepted knowledge was really just pure speculation. You and I don't think the cask is in the children's zoo, and while that pole is compelling and I didn't see it before, that rhino sign is new and definitely didnt look like that in 1982. The verse is compelling with the 982 reference that seems to indicate the train, but nothing else seems to fit. We've had to ignore huge sections or make v-shaped paths to make it work. I feel like someone decided that's the verse and now no one can see it any other way. I also know that in 1982 you couldn't mention Houston without thinking of the space program. So I'm looking at other theories. I'm not sold on them, but I feel like we're reaching on Hermann Park. I don't know if that's because it isn't there or we have the wrong verse, but I think fresh eyes is the best tool we have. Everyone else, if you're having trouble getting access to Q4T, try emailing the main administrator Mark Parry at mark-parry@ntlworld.com einTier fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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BJG posted:I'm just waiting for the day when people stop yakking about this puzzle and dig a hole in the ground, but I doubt it'll ever come. Ah, so Wilhouse was the guy that the Zoo's PR guy told me about. From what he told me, they dug out huge tracts of the Children's Zoo and never found anything but a water line. I'm also pretty convinced by the zoo picture you posted that matches up the park pillars with the ones in the painting. Really hope this one's in Hermann Park and wasn't in the Children's Zoo and the visual cues were just to get you in the right general area or else it's gone forever.
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BOSTONVolte posted:Has anyone looked at Fenway Park being the "colloseum with metal walls" mentioned in the Boston poem? There's a Fenway Victory Garden, located on The Fenway ('near those that pass the colloseum with metal walls'), which has water near it ('Face the water') and the sections of the garden have letters A through Z ('All the letters are here to see'), and one of the sections is called Center Section ('a green tower of lights in the middle section'). Granted I have no idea if it was laid out that way in 1982 but the garden itself is much older. Who knows how different it is today, maybe there's a green tower of lights in the center section of the Fenway Victory Garden? Yeah, there's lots of things that could ambiguously point to the Fens portion. 'All the letters are here to see' > Agassiz Road (letters from A to Z) bridges the river and has openings that look like the window behind the lady, 'feel at home' > there's a park called 'Mother's Rest' across from the lettered garden paths by the E side of Agassiz, there's a bend in the river that looks like the lady's neck shadows, and a couple others. It seems like every theory that pops up relies too heavily on either the text or the image; it's been hard to find things that blatantly overlap and mutually confirm the other side.
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Good afternoon and welcome to Hunting For Numbers with GWBBQ. I've been looking around various US cities looking for anything that might match up to the Cask 12 picture, but as people have mentioned, your best bet is to find coordinates for latitude and longitude. Since we haven't anything that unequivocally links it to New York City, grab pairs of numbers, see where you end up, and look for anything that matches the picture. Using one of the High-Res scans provided by Bankok on page 29, I have gone completely off my rocker and started hunting for anything that might resemble a number. I marked up anything obvious I saw, a few not obvious ones, and a couple that sort of look like numbers but I'm pretty sure aren't. Anyway, here's a bunch of stuff.  TotalHell posted:Is it fair to say we don't 100% know that any particular verse goes with any particular picture apart from the ones that have been found?
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einTier posted:I do plan on going to Houston soon, but it is three hours from Austin by car (and I'm considered close, if you can believe that!). I can't make a whole bunch of trips, so I'm trying to run down as many possibilities from here as I can before I go. I anticipate spending significant time in Hermann park, but I'll probably scout other areas. If you have a way to video conference with someone with a US iPhone (Skype?), I'd be more than happy to do that from the park so that you can "see" the park a little better. Nothing like being there and all that. I live about an hour from Houston, I've been planning to take a trip up there but the stars haven't aligned correctly yet. If you're going to head up there at some point, let me know and I can meet you there and we can see what we can figure out.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:Some pictures have a "generally accepted" riddle associated with them; presumably this association came from the Q4T work. Oh, I know that there are generally accepted associations, I just wanted to point out that nothing can be seen as absolutely certain or the right match until a picture and verse are paired up to find a casque. Also, as to Verse 5, I am perfectly happy to have that point to Charleston, if only for the Citadel line (the Citadel being a very famous military school in Charleston).
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TotalHell posted:Is it fair to say we don't 100% know that any particular verse goes with any particular picture apart from the ones that have been found? Yes, it's very much fair to say. The way the original post was worded, I thought someone had definitive proof that these verses belong with these images, but that doesn't seem to be true. For instance, the discussion on Verse 1 starts with catherwood assuming it refers to sights in the Children's Zoo. She finds the 982 reference and is positive it refers to the train. Someone else thinks it's Yellowstone and the spout and whistle are Old Faithful. Then there's discussion on trains and the 982 and the railroad track in the bottom of the painting. Then we're led to "small of scale, step across", which must be the mini trains. Then the quote by Herman Melville, which must mean it's in Hermann park. By post nine, literally, wilhouse is convinced enough to pick up a shovel and go digging. By page two, it's accepted knowledge that the 982 is the train in Hermann Park and no one questions it. Here are the posts that essentially make the entire case for verse 1 being tied to Houston. catherwood posted:Verse 1 catherwood posted:rfox, not sure if you want me to say this in the open forum, but I think your approach to the verses has missed the point. For example, that one with "long palm's shadow" is most certainly going to be anything BUT a palm tree. That's just how I would write a clue if I wanted to make a challenging treasure hunt. It's the same reason people mistook the verse for Chicago as pointing to Washington, D.C.: the word 'congress' was put in there specifically to throw people off. fox posted:....... Dan Amrich posted:A spouting whistle could well simply be the retired train. The casque could be hidden in the retired train itself...? wilhouse posted:Here's a link to train 982 in houston By this kind of reasoning, I've made just as strong a case that the cask is in Tranquility Park and the verse with "giant step" is the one we should be looking at. Don't take that to mean that's where the cask is! I personally do not much stock in my Tranquility Park theory -- but I'm just saying that a lot of what we think has already been definitively proved really hasn't.
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GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:I live about an hour from Houston, I've been planning to take a trip up there but the stars haven't aligned correctly yet. If you're going to head up there at some point, let me know and I can meet you there and we can see what we can figure out.
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einTier posted:Judging by your username and distance from Houston, I have to believe you live in Beaumont, where I'm originally from. Incidentally, I worked with Gary Lee Love back in the early 90's. You're some kinda sorcerer.
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NYC I had a thought about the lady in the NYC picture. What if she's not a statue? What if she is a headstone decoration or in a stained glass window? Someone earlier posted some stained glass window pics with the same small circle patterns as the "window" in the top of the picture. Maybe she is in a similar window? I like the idea that the rectangle is the twin towers. Maybe the church in question would be in a position where you could only see one of the towers? Trinity church would be in the right place, but I'm not sure you could have seen the towers from there. There appears to be some kind of bird statue inside the church as well: http://www.flickr.com/photos/84242640@N00/6089018766 But I can't get find a better picture of it. Autumn2May fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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Autumn2May posted:NYC Ooo! I found a better eagle! It's on the building next to the church! https://maps.google.com/maps?q=trin...,,1,-47.54&z=19
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If that rectangle were the twin towers why wouldn't there be two of them? Just pointing out there are a shitload of things shaped like rectangles in NYC. I think the statue very much resembles the statue of liberty, and the bird's head very much resembles the Chrysler bird. But the rectangle/twin towers thing is a stretch.
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Jun 12, 2013 18:08
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SheepNameKiller posted:If that rectangle were the twin towers why wouldn't there be two of them. You could only see one of them from Trinity because one would have been behind the other.
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Jun 12, 2013 18:09
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Autumn2May posted:You could only see one of them from Trinity because one would have been behind the other. I'll assume that's relevant if someone puts together all the clues and it turns out to be the trinity church, as is I think it's a stretch to assume that it's the twin towers if the location is anywhere else.
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St Augustine - Cask 6 In the image, noticed a resemblance to the Castillo De San Marcos on the flag. It's obscured by the purple circle, not sure what that means.  A bit of a stretch, but played around with the map a bit. The marker shows where the castle is located. I don't think the shoreline would have changed this much in 30 years.  The first chapter (The first city?) Written in water (Right on the intracoastal waterway, near an ocean outlet) Near men With wind rose Behind bending branches And a green picket fence (Plenty of these and tall trees in the area) At the base of a tall tree You can still hear the honking (Traffic all over) Shell, limestone, silver, salt (shell and limestone were used in construction quite a bit in the area) Stars move by day Sails pass by night (Lots of sailboats on the water there) Even in darkness Like moonlight in teardrops Over the tall grass Years pass, rain falls.
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GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:I live about an hour from Houston, I've been planning to take a trip up there but the stars haven't aligned correctly yet. If you're going to head up there at some point, let me know and I can meet you there and we can see what we can figure out. I'm also down to go. EinTier, we could carpool if you like.
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New York(???)OMG BYZANTIUM posted:This is probably totally wrong, but does anyone think the "New York" image does not show New York? Ever since I saw the water at the bottom, I immediately thought of Buffalo and Niagara Falls. Is it just me or do the collective outlines of the windows around the bird kinda resemble the outline of a state? The blue spotted window sorta looks like Minnesota or Wisconsin to me. And the combined crimson and off-white windows look like Idaho.
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Aciid c0d3r posted:I'm also down to go. EinTier, we could carpool if you like. Count me out of any "Goon Meet"-type stuff unless somebody has a really good idea of where the cask is buried (as in, like good enough that we actually find it there) and I get to take some of the credit for finding and uncovering it. Also I would like the option to take the cask and its contents myself (assuming that it is in good enough condition) so that I can try to sell them to my university and maybe have my name included in a story on the school webpage. I've been in undergrad for too drat long and I WANT SOMETHING TO SHOW FOR IT DAMMIT!  
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St Augustine I'm sure it's been noted, but the right side of the rock is a silhouette of a face. It looks like a young unbearded man (but he might have a goatee, given the length of his chin) wearing a helmet of some sort. His mouth seems to be slightly open, and he has a weak jaw. He either has a prominent Adam's apple or a very stiff shirt/armor (or perhaps both). It's definitely not Ponce de Leon (he's bearded). Figuring out which statue it is should probably be a top priority. e: Best I can do is the Father Lopez statue. He's not wearing a hat, though, so I might be way off  
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Count me out of any "Goon Meet"-type stuff unless somebody has a really good idea of where the cask is buried (as in, like good enough that we actually find it there) and I get to take some of the credit for finding and uncovering it. So you don't want to do any of the footwork that could lead to the treasure, you just want to be there when it's dug up and then keep it?
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I think that might've been one of dem jokes
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GaryLeeLoveBuckets posted:So you don't want to do any of the footwork that could lead to the treasure, you just want to be there when it's dug up and then keep it? No, just the opposite. I'm saying I want to do most (if not all) of the footwork. Otherwise there would be nothing for me to take credit for. No pain no gain and all that. EDIT: I might make a stop by Home Depot this afternoon to pick up a few things. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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Jun 12, 2013 20:05
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MassaShowtime posted:What park is that? It isn't in a park itself. It's right across Peel street from Place du Canada in a space between Saint George's Anglican Church and Edifice La Laurentienne. So maybe the church garden or maybe something related to the 1986 building.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:No, just the opposite. I'm saying I want to do most (if not all) of the footwork. Otherwise there would be nothing for me to take credit for. No pain no gain and all that. If you're reading this thread, you're already collaborating with others. I'm willing to do the carpool thing, I just don't know yet how to work it into my schedule.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:New York(???) Speaking of the blue-spotted window, has it been pointed out that it's larger than it should be? The vertical separation that should cut the top tip off isn't there. A piece of the magenta window that should be between the wings is gone as well. It probably has been mentioned somewhere, I haven't been able to keep up with every post.
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Achmed Jones posted:St Augustine The negative space shape of the lower right kinda looks like Florida, but only somewhat. I'm sure the cloud shapes, owl, rock island and stone 'face' will all be clear once the integral clue is deciphered.
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I was looking at N.O image again today, specifically the background The checker background I think is reference to the great chess player Paul Morphy, and I was thinking about the fact that he studied at tulane university, the insignia colors of the university kind of match the red/blue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulane_University The chalk effect may be a reference to chalk and blackboard. Or it could be a reference to the musician louis gottchalk. Whether they reference locations or they're just referencing notable person/people from new orleans is anybody's guess... I've got a theory that it's buried in front of the university in the semi circle, but need to put it all together... Bloke fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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emosx posted:New Orleans You really should read all the thread. This isn't the first time that someone has gone over the same info like this, just seems like wasted energy could be better served further researching the theories.
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St Augustine The Father Lopez statue was moved in 2010. See here. It "was originally located where it faced the southeastern shore of an interior portion of Hospital Creek." To be sure, I'm not saying that the rock-silhouette is Fr. Lopez (though I am convinced it's a face), but we'd need to find its original location to do any more scouting. e: According to this it was (and still is) at Mission Nombre de Dios - just in a new spot. Mission Nombre de Dios is where de Avilez landed, so it fits the verse obviously. If someone could scout around the mission's grounds to look for quote:Behind bending branches It'd also be good to look across Hospital Creek (like the statue was) towards the other side - if there's a green fence and/or a giant tree, so much the better. Particularly since it'd be pretty messed up to bury (or dig up) the treasure on the mission's grounds. Achmed Jones fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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Yip Yips posted:Speaking of the blue-spotted window, has it been pointed out that it's larger than it should be? The vertical separation that should cut the top tip off isn't there. A piece of the magenta window that should be between the wings is gone as well. First time I've seen it mentioned (though, of course, that doesn't mean it hasn't been mentioned). But, I have looked at that picture many times and never noticed that until you pointed it out. I think, now that you have mentioned it, that is a bloody obvious clue we should pursue.
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Luminous posted:First time I've seen it mentioned (though, of course, that doesn't mean it hasn't been mentioned). But, I have looked at that picture many times and never noticed that until you pointed it out. I think, now that you have mentioned it, that is a bloody obvious clue we should pursue. People talked about that a few pages back. I think it's just a bit of an oversight on the illustrator's part, but carry on.
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Milwaukee This may be helpful, though it's not definitive and it's an early picture. This is an old painted photo (from the 1940's) that shows the river by City Hall. Though some of the buildings cover it up, it looks like there were never any trees along the river where the RiverWalk is now. You can see Pere Marquette Park a little higher in the photo. I was a little concerned that some of the instructions in the verse might have been pointing us to trees that were once along the river and are gone now, but it doesn't look like that's the case. Unless, of course, it's pointing to trees that were ripped out when Pere Marquette was re-landscaped. EDIT: actually, that's not Pere Marquette Park at the top there. I don't know what that is. EDIT 2: that green spot at the top is where a bunch of condos are now, perpendicular to Highland Ave. Hopefully those weren't built in the 90's, they look kind of modern on google maps... Dr. Bit fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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LargeHadron posted:People talked about that a few pages back. I think it's just a bit of an oversight on the illustrator's part, but carry on. Ah dang, this is what happens when you go out of town and can't be arsed to read 200 new theory posts in detail. I do admit, I find it hard to believe it would be an oversight, given the intricacies that his art has, but it's true that I can't immediately see what sort of connection it could have to anything.
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St Augustine I found a picture from the Mission looking across Hospital Creek.  It's too bad how trees grow and fall down; hopefully there's a single big tree (or stump) or fence outside of the shot.
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New York(???)Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:New York(???) The more I look at this painting, the more I think that the bird, the crimson window, the off-white window, or some combination thereof are meant to resemble the shape of a state. Exactly WHICH state, I'm not sure. Could be a notheastern state, or it could be Montana or Idaho. Both Montana and Idaho are at about the same latitude as New York, so for all I know either one could work. Or maybe the shape is that of New York, and I just can't tell. I don't have Photoshop anymore, so I can't really take a transparent picture of a state and overlay it onto another picture as easily as I used to be able to. v  v
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