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Pornographic Memory posted:Fate's the boring route that lays down a ton of boring exposition that sets up the other routes to get to the good stuff faster. How do I know which route I'm on? And where do these route's branch? I saw a couple of times in the game (once at Tiger Dojo, once after the end) that I should go back to the night of the third day. Is that such a branching point? e: Oh god, those Illya bad endings... how was she sane in the epilogue when she was this far gone from the very beginning?
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The routes are done in order, you can only unlock one route by doing the previous route. I can't remember where they branch though. The three routes are: Fate Unlimited Blade Works Heaven's Feel e: Whether UBW or HF is better is controversial, but everyone agrees they're way better then Fate. I'm a UBW guy though. Cake Attack fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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Jun 12, 2013 03:12
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Cake Attack posted:The routes are done in order, you can only unlock one route by doing the previous route. I can't remember where they branch though. You get on UBW by using a Command Spell to stop Saber from attacking Archer and Rin and you get on HF by escorting Sakura home.
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Jun 12, 2013 03:19
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Cake Attack posted:The routes are done in order, you can only unlock one route by doing the previous route. I can't remember where they branch though. What route you get depends on the choices you make in the first three days. Any time a Sakura-centric choice comes up after completing UBW, you choose the option that makes Shirou spend the most time with her and Fate will branch into HF at the end of the third night, though there is a couple alternate scenes setting up HF before then. UBW is simpler. You'll get a choice when Saber attacks Rin at the start of the story to either stop her or not. If you stop her with a Command Spell, Fate branches into UBW. As an aside, you can transfer into UBW from Fate by choosing not to cooperate with Rin when you get the choice, but it leads to an unavoidable Bad End. And yes: Fate may be the most boring route, but I can't be too harsh on it since it stars Saber.
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Jun 12, 2013 03:21
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Sylphid posted:And yes: Fate may be the most boring route, but I can't be too harsh on it since it stars Saber. gently caress scenes aside, the Saber/Shirou relationship was fantastic and definitely the centerpiece of the Fate route. Oh, I forgot to ask, but can HF be accessed before UBW is completed or do I have to finish UBW first?
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Jun 12, 2013 03:26
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ViggyNash posted:gently caress scenes aside, the Saber/Shirou relationship was fantastic and definitely the centerpiece of the Fate route. UBW first but you also want to play UBW because it explains a lot of stuff you don't know!
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Jun 12, 2013 03:28
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I believe you can bungle your way into HF wrong by brute force but it's an automatic bad end? It's pretty impossible to get a real bad end unless you are a huuuuge knob to everyone, particularly each routes heroine. I'm not quite done with HF but I really feel like Rin, as much as I like her, is by far the least convincing of the pairings. It think UBW would probably be stronger if it didn't worry about having someone to sleep with. The relationship feels so peripheral the whole time.
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Jun 12, 2013 05:00
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I don't know if I've ever heard an ending theme as out of place as the one on the Chaos;Head anime. Holy crap.
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Jun 12, 2013 10:23
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I heard the anime was horrifically bad and that you should only ever read the VN. I'm guessing it met that description?
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Jun 12, 2013 13:52
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Okay, finished my first route in Clannad. It was Fuuko's. Yeeesss, the drama and the angst. Bring it on, Key. Show me how ridiculous your writing can get. The jokes were actually sort of amusing sometimes, too. The unfinished translation and scripting errors, not so much.
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Jun 13, 2013 22:25
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Still falling for Arcueid.
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Jun 13, 2013 23:27
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iirc Fuko's arc is pretty much the most "out there". On the whole Clannad is a lot more grounded in reality than, say, Kanon. By the way, Misae's arc is bullshit cause at the end she'll ask you like 3 questions in a row and it's not really obvious which answer is "correct" without a guide. God, it's been forever since I played clannad, not touched it since 2008.
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Jun 13, 2013 23:28
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I just realized something about Steins;Gate. It never once references Shibuya or the events of Chaos;Head despite how much happened then. They only take place 1 year apart.
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Suleman posted:Okay, finished my first route in Clannad. It was Fuuko's. Yeeesss, the drama and the angst. Bring it on, Key. Show me how ridiculous your writing can get. Sadly, Fuuko's route is about as KEY as it gets outside of the awful True Ending, the rest of the game shockingly displays varying levels of competency intertwined with the requisite KEY nonsense which means you might actually like it (I did). And yes the comedy in this game is actually pretty good most of the time, which surprised me because most of my other experiences with KEY comedy have been insufferable.
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Jun 14, 2013 01:33
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ViggyNash posted:I just realized something about Steins;Gate. It never once references Shibuya or the events of Chaos;Head despite how much happened then. They only take place 1 year apart. I can't remember where, but there's an off hand mention to the earthquake in Shibuya somewhere. It might be in a text message so you may have missed it.
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Jun 14, 2013 02:06
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Cake Attack posted:I can't remember where, but there's an off hand mention to the earthquake in Shibuya somewhere. It might be in a text message so you may have missed it. I have a vague memory of something like that, but considering the circumstances of all 3 earthquakes and the nature of the New-Gen murders, I figure it would still be big news in some way. But it's never substantially mentioned besides the odd text.
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Krinkle posted:Wasn't that chaos head though? I don't remember that in steins;gate. Watch The Core. Actually, that one applies to anyone who didn't sleep through highschool. Silver2195 posted:Most of them aren't outright plotholes so much as implausibilities (in particular, Saber retroactively becomes kind of stupid). Rin's mother not being mentioned at all, even in passing, and I still find it quite a stretch that Kiritsugu never realized Kotomine survived. On the other end of the subject, Saber becomes much more driven towards obtaining the Grail which is reflected in FSN, and F/Z gives a lot more depth to the relationship between Gil and Kotomine.
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Jun 14, 2013 05:10
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The protagonist in Steins;Gate is a real hoot. I wish more games gave their protagonists as much characters as these series of games. Most entertaining thing about it so far.
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Jun 14, 2013 10:37
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Not only us Okabe a fantastic character to begin with, he's also one of the most fascinatingly dynamic characters out there.
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Nephilm posted:
No, he definitely knew Kotomine survived. It's not likely he knew how or why, but while wandering the burning Fuyuki he came across Kotomine and decided not to fight him anymore. His activities post-Grail War, at least what I've heard from people who have read the novels, were to try and make sure another Grail War couldn't break out, but those activities definitely didn't accomplish a lot.
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Jun 14, 2013 16:18
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ViggyNash posted:I just realized something about Steins;Gate. It never once references Shibuya or the events of Chaos;Head despite how much happened then. They only take place 1 year apart. They do, multiple times, reference Shibuya briefly. If I recall the events at the end of Chaos;Head correctly, and I probably don't, Taku erased the events of the last earthquake using his crazy powers in the true end so it probably wasn't a big deal to Okabe and friends, especially when they have their own worries to deal with. Also, one of the things I love about Steins;Gate is that they really go out of their way to make the protagonist the center of the show, he's not just the narrator, but he's the best character and the one who drives the plot the most. Its a nice change of pace from many VNs where the protagonist is, as has been said a trillion times already, just a player surrogate.
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Sinner Sandwich posted:They do, multiple times, reference Shibuya briefly. If I recall the events at the end of Chaos;Head correctly, and I probably don't, Taku erased the events of the last earthquake using his crazy powers in the true end so it probably wasn't a big deal to Okabe and friends, especially when they have their own worries to deal with. Woah, what? I don't remember that in the ending. It seems that I may not have finished Chaos;Head.
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Sylphid posted:No, he definitely knew Kotomine survived. It's not likely he knew how or why, but while wandering the burning Fuyuki he came across Kotomine and decided not to fight him anymore. His activities post-Grail War, at least what I've heard from people who have read the novels, were to try and make sure another Grail War couldn't break out, but those activities definitely didn't accomplish a lot. No, I think you're wrong about the first part. He wandered around the ruins and Kotomine was near him at one point, but Kotomine himself says that Kiritsugu probably didn't notice -- he was so busy trying desperately to save someone, anyone, that he had complete tunnel vision. And of course Kiritsugu didn't realize Kotomine survived -- he dealt Kotomine an utterly fatal blow. If the Grail hadn't replaced his heart, he really would be dead. After that, Kiritsugu was so focused on Shirou and Ilya and stopping another War that it would have been easy to evade his notice.
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Einander posted:No, I think you're wrong about the first part. He wandered around the ruins and Kotomine was near him at one point, but Kotomine himself says that Kiritsugu probably didn't notice -- he was so busy trying desperately to save someone, anyone, that he had complete tunnel vision. Fair enough. It's been a while since I saw the last episode, but I could have sworn there was at least a shot of Kiritsugu at least noticing Kotomine alive and well when he was supposed to be dead, but it wouldn't be the first time I remembered things wrong from that show.
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Sylphid posted:Fair enough. It's been a while since I saw the last episode, but I could have sworn there was at least a shot of Kiritsugu at least noticing Kotomine alive and well when he was supposed to be dead, but it wouldn't be the first time I remembered things wrong from that show. I was going off of the LNs, actually. It's Act 16, Part 10 on Baka-Tsuki, if you're interested in looking it over. Kiritsugu looks directly at him, but Kotomine says he doesn't seem to notice.
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ViggyNash posted:Woah, what? I don't remember that in the ending. It seems that I may not have finished Chaos;Head. Einander posted:And of course Kiritsugu didn't realize Kotomine survived -- he dealt Kotomine an utterly fatal blow. If the Grail hadn't replaced his heart, he really would be dead. After that, Kiritsugu was so focused on Shirou and Ilya and stopping another War that it would have been easy to evade his notice. The thing is that Kotomine is a fairly prominent member of the church in regards to Fuyuki, and would have been very involved in the behind-the-scenes clean up process as the Church and the Association dealt with the aftermath of the war. Kiritsugu himself was also fairly active for the first few years before the curse really set in (indicated by making connections around the city and spending time abroad), yet in all that... failed to notice that the new Fuyuki priest and War supervisor was a man named Kotomine? An alternate interpretation is that he learned of it, but figured he wouldn't be able to kill him, so they just avoided each other. That feels very anti-climatic, though.
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Nephilm posted:That doesn't happen. Well, in the True Ending it probably gets changed since the bad guys win and get god powers, but in the Good/Normal it just ends in the ruins. Can someone give me a clear answer on this then? Did Taku somehow reset the world so that the earthquakes and/or the New Gen murders were forgotten or ignored? I thought all the endings were variations of earthquake, Taku fighting, poo poo blows up, Taku dying, then either Rimi kills him or doesn't kill him.
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ViggyNash posted:Can someone give me a clear answer on this then? Did Taku somehow reset the world so that the earthquakes and/or the New Gen murders were forgotten or ignored? I thought all the endings were variations of earthquake, Taku fighting, poo poo blows up, Taku dying, then either Rimi kills him or doesn't kill him. I was probably incorrect, then. Aside from the bad ending that Nephilm brought up, which I am pretty sure is not the true ending, it usually ends just like you described. On the other hand, Taku is directly mentioned and plays a role in a Steins;Gate supplementary disc called... The Distant Valhalla, I think, which is about the alpha world line where Okabe and the Lab Members are kidnapped by SERN and forced to work on the time machine that will allow the Committee to create the dystopia. Edit: spelling errors
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Is that worth playing or would it be more beneficial for me to just look up the info if that's all I'm looking for?
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Nephilm posted:That doesn't happen. Well, in the True Ending it probably gets changed since the bad guys win and get god powers, but in the Good/Normal it just ends in the ruins. I thought the implication was that Kiritsugu decided he wasn't going to try to solve problems by killing any more. He probably even assumed that Kirei's role in taking care of the orphans showed that he regretted his role in causing the explosion; he didn't know the truth about Gilgamesh.
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So, I finished Kira Kira. It was good, but I don't know if I'll revisit the True route or Kirari's. I was pretty devastated after Kirari dies in "her" route. I say "her" because it really is Shikanosuke's. After she died, I really felt the same way he did, pretty well emotionally drained, especially because of why she went back into the house. After the hallucinations, and him actually feeling again, the end was a pretty  way to end the otherwise  route. It was really good to see Aki, the girl they help out in Osaka For the True route, Shikanosuke was even worse than in Kirari's. It was hard to read through because he was so drat bleak about everything. It did, however, lead to a much needed scene after the concert, where he and Kirari both lean on each other emotionally. That was something that just didn't happen with the other routes. Overall it was a good read. I liked Chie-nee's route the best, especially because of the scene in the cult's camp where they're in the truck. Kirari's route and the true route were really meant to be seen one after the other, and worked well together. Kashiwara's was pretty forgettable. Now that I've finished that, on to Heaven's Feel.
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I finished Tomoyo's route in Clannad. This is probably as down-to-earth as Key gets, I guess. The characters almost seemed to have Real Problems, though it actually got a bit too slow towards the end. Also, it's interesting to see a VN relationship in which neither character is a doormat. I think Tomoyo After is supposed to continue this storyline. Is it worth the time?
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Jun 16, 2013 01:04
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Not really.
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Suleman posted:I think Tomoyo After is supposed to continue this storyline. Is it worth the time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNiOwQb7bOQ
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Dysfunctional Systems is on Greenlight. For those of you that don't know what Greenlight is, Valve has opened their game approval process, allowing users to help vote on what they'd like to see make it onto Steam. You can visit the games thread here. I haven't played it yet, but I remember people being generally favourable towards it.
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Jun 16, 2013 01:33
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Lol, yeah Tomoyo After was kinda porny at the beginning. Actually I think most of the adult content was in the first 15-30 minutes of the game.
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unpronounceable posted:Dysfunctional Systems is on Greenlight. For those of you that don't know what Greenlight is, Valve has opened their game approval process, allowing users to help vote on what they'd like to see make it onto Steam. You can visit the games thread here. I haven't played it yet, but I remember people being generally favourable towards it. Woah, that UI is slick and really well done. Doesn't look too bad artistically, and the music is great. The story seems interesting enough so I might check it out.
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Dysfunctional Systems is pretty good, definitely worth the 5 bucks (I'm disappointed there's no :5bux:) Fairly short though.
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I don't know if it's already been said, but World End Economica episode 1 is up on mangagamer. It's a romance/sci-fi/economics deal written by the author of the Spice and Wolf light novels. So if you are a fan of Spice and Wolf or just think it sounds kind of interesting I think it might be worth checking out.
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Mborg009 posted:I don't know if it's already been said, but World End Economica episode 1 is up on mangagamer. It's a romance/sci-fi/economics deal written by the author of the Spice and Wolf light novels. So if you are a fan of Spice and Wolf or just think it sounds kind of interesting I think it might be worth checking out. From what I've heard, the translation and localization are both kind of awful. I wouldn't recommend it. Edit: While I'm thinking about it, here are some examples, courtesy of a quick twitter search. That said, the MangaGamer version will apparently feature translation corrections... eventually. Encouraging. Also, apparently there's an official French version released by Kawasoft? But I can't read French. Einander fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jun 16, 2013 |
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