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Clanpot Shake posted:In my IRL group last night things started coming to a head. We've infiltrated a secret facility where two of the planet's three major crime families / political powers are performing experiments using a warp artifact that fucks with time. This effort is lead by an immensely powerful psyker and it's heretical as all get-out. This could lead to one of those great roleplaying stories you tell years from now. Go for it and keep us posted.
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Clanpot Shake posted:In my IRL group last night things started coming to a head. We've infiltrated a secret facility where two of the planet's three major crime families / political powers are performing experiments using a warp artifact that fucks with time. This effort is lead by an immensely powerful psyker and it's heretical as all get-out. This can only end terribly. Deliciously, deliciously terribly. Go for it!
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I don't know if anyone has posted this in any of the 40K threads yet: http://io9.com/captain-harlock-may-be-the-most-awesome-scifi-flick-of-513791011 I do not understand the crazy moon language being spoken in the trailer but it sure looks a lot like Rogue Trader: The Anime to me.
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Jun 18, 2013 02:47
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If you didn't know, the Captain Harlock anime and its variants have been around since 1978 (well, 1953, but he only got a proper series in the 70's). The Captain Haarlock of the FFG series is obviously inspired by the guy. But yeah, it's definitely RT the Series, and anyone who likes playing RT should give one of his many series a go (I recommend Space Pirate Captain Harlock and its sequel, Endless Odyssey, though that might just be my nostalgia talking).
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I've been running RT for a few sessions and there's something I'm having trouble with. Weapon ranges. On a reasonably sized map all combat will occur at 'short range' and even shotguns will generally find themselves to not be limited by range. When a lasgun has a range of a hundred meters you'd need a physical battle map of several meters for range to matter. We're running on Roll20 but that doesn't really handle huge maps very well and either way it's not very fun to have tiny tiny tokens strewn on a humongous mostly empty map. If I'm getting the rules right, to make matters worse all weapons actually have a range double that listed in the armory. A little counterintuitive! 'Long range', a -10 penalty, only occurs when you fire at more than double the listed range... So even a shotgun has a range of 60 meters (a 60x60 grid is huge!) and a lasgun reaches out to 200 meters with no penalty. 'Long range' runs up to four times the listed range so you can fire up to 400 meters mostly fine. It's only after that you get a -30 penalty. This isn't a problem if you don't mind that range isn't a concern but I'd rather it be. Have I missed something or will I just have to houserule the ranges down or come up with something else? Elukka fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Jun 19, 2013 |
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Jun 19, 2013 11:18
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It's range increments, so the same as D&D and stuff. A range of hundreds of meters for long-range shots with a rifle that is unlikely to hit is pretty reasonable though. Shotguns do have a range of 60 but they have a special quality, Scatter, which only works at point blank range and penalises you at long range. Shooting a shotgun at 120m or whatever is totally doable but it'll probably be shrugged off as you've got a big penalty to hit, low damage and they get an armour bonus. All combat occuring at 'short range' is totally reasonable if you're moving building to building or in most of the situations you find yourself in an RPG. Range isn't going to be a concern in most of those scenarios. If you want range to be a problem then, yeah, you're probably looking at a bigger battlefield scenario with open area to move or units in between where you are and who you want to shoot. I think the thing you've missed is that being out of range should be really unusual. If you want to emphasise range as a concern you need more than big corridors or something, maybe try having the characters looking to assault a fort with a defined killing ground around it or some fields and open things they need to cross. You don't really need to map that all out as well, you can just say "The giant runways sized to support landing ships fit for regimental transport is over 300m wide, you and your bros can see the badguys set up with nothing in between you except the wrecked remains of a Leviathan and a scattering of potholes". Then you can break out the map for the up close combat stuff I guess? It might be just a Roll20 issue but for longer range stuff you can abstract the map a lot more since individual movements of a few m left or right doesn't really matter.
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Jun 19, 2013 12:21
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Also don't forget that all ships and such in WH40k are absolutely massive, with even a frigate measuring several km long. So if there's a spinal corridor, it would be super lengthy. Moreso for a bulk transport or whatever, the cargo bays would just be cavernous.
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mkultra419 posted:I don't know if anyone has posted this in any of the 40K threads yet: You can tell this isn't Rogue Trader: The Anime, because it appears to only have one giant skull in it. If it were truly RT, there would be at least 25 skulls in the trailer, and at least one of them would be an enormous skull pauldron. Edit: I just realized that a bunch of people have Jolly Roger's on them, but I don't think fabric skulls count.  Still looks rad, though.
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After reading this thread and having nobody to play with in my area, I'd really, really like a goon rolld20 40k game. Would anyone be interested in that sort of thing?
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I'd definitely be interested in giving it a try, finding locals for a 40K game is really challenging.
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Does anyone have any tips on running Tau? So far they've just been getting mowed down by the Kill-Team and I need to make them "feel" more threatening once they reach the main force instead of just scouting groups.Firstborn posted:After reading this thread and having nobody to play with in my area, I'd really, really like a goon rolld20 40k game. I know I'd like to do it. Heh, three no avis. What a lovely bunch are we.
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Jun 19, 2013 17:52
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Elukka posted:I've been running RT for a few sessions and there's something I'm having trouble with. Weapon ranges. On a reasonably sized map all combat will occur at 'short range' and even shotguns will generally find themselves to not be limited by range. When a lasgun has a range of a hundred meters you'd need a physical battle map of several meters for range to matter. We're running on Roll20 but that doesn't really handle huge maps very well and either way it's not very fun to have tiny tiny tokens strewn on a humongous mostly empty map. In addition to what everyone else has said, you can change the distance that one tile represents in the map option screen in Roll20.
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I'm very familiar with the setting, and the type of nerd to read most of the 40k novels and play the video games and all, but not confident enough to run as storyteller. I think if one of you guys wanted to, we would only need like 1 more to give it a go. Assuming nobody else wanted to get in, we could recruit from Roll20, too. My e-mail is shishioh @ rocketmail dot com, mail me, we can get on AIM or something and discuss further (I don't have PM). I'm getting a little irrationally excited about playing Roll20 40k with you guys. Any other gentlegoons want to get in?
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Jun 19, 2013 18:15
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Miruvor posted:I'd definitely be interested in giving it a try, finding locals for a 40K game is really challenging. Don't pitch it as a 40k game. Pitch it as a dystopian sci-fi (investigative | action | space opera) game. The 40k lore is great, but for people who don't know it joining a game where everybody does can be kind of intimidating.
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Jun 19, 2013 18:20
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Dirty_Moses posted:Does anyone have any tips on running Tau? So far they've just been getting mowed down by the Kill-Team and I need to make them "feel" more threatening once they reach the main force instead of just scouting groups. Crisis Suits with 1+ plasma weapons are The Real Deal and a Broadside hit is dodge-or-burn-a-FP for a lot of characters.
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Firstborn posted:I'm very familiar with the setting, and the type of nerd to read most of the 40k novels and play the video games and all, but not confident enough to run as storyteller. I think if one of you guys wanted to, we would only need like 1 more to give it a go. I feel like we should keep it in house, personally. But that's just me, I don't mind too much. Karandras posted:Crisis Suits with 1+ plasma weapons are The Real Deal and a Broadside hit is dodge-or-burn-a-FP for a lot of characters. I'll keep that in mind, thanks. What I mean though is how do I roleplay, as the GM, the Tau to the players to make them more threatening?
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Dirty_Moses posted:I'll keep that in mind, thanks. What I mean though is how do I roleplay, as the GM, the Tau to the players to make them more threatening?  Serious answer: The Tau have crazy advanced tech in a lot of ways, so your killteam might come across traps and stuff they just don't understand. If you want to go more subtle with it, the scariest thing about a Tau to a YES BROTHER marine is probably how reasonable they can be. Your killteam might run into humans who the Tau have straight-up assisted with no obvious tradeoff, Tau who want to parlay, etc. I think that's probably the way to go with it because, while they make for a really effective conventional shooting military, the Tau are the least physically intimidating main enemy in 40k. You could add some Kroot, though; they can be pretty intimidating. poo poo, they're space marines, throw a greater knarloc at them.
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I'd also be down for a Roll20/OpenRPG/etc. 40k game. I've been looking for people to play one for the longest time, and I can't seem to find anyone local or online who'd be willing. I kinda really want to play Only War.
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I'd love to play some Deathwatch. I kind of really want to just blow poo poo up and get my limbs replaced with better ones.
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I would definitely agree the greatest threat the Tau pose is ideological. They are reasonable, honorable, and xenophobia in the face of the help they can give could result in significant military setbacks against the Stigmartus or Dagon. But they shouldn't be pushovers either! The Tau have a couple ways of dealing with things like a rampaging Kill-Team. The first and most frequent tool is going to be redirection. There's tons of double-agents throughout the Crusade on both sides, and the Tau also have ways of manipulating the perceptions of machine-spirits. Kill-Teams can find themselves thrown off course, lured away from critical objectives, and facing tough decisions about just which conflicting intelligence reports to believe. Redirection can take more insidious forms, too - the Kill-Team could find itself framed our outed for any real or imagined acts of collaboration with the xenos at any time. Ebongrave himself is paranoid enough to order hits on anyone whose actions he can't predict, even without interference from the Tau. Even outside the psychological realm, the purely physical threat the Tau pose are going to take two forms, patience or all-out assault. The Tau approach warfare, fundamentally, from a hunting mindset. Depending on the circumstances, including their own disposition and composition, they are likely to try to use a combination of patient traps and aggressive assaults to force favorable engagements - once they get wind of the Kill-Team. Think of fox hunters using extreme mobility to force their prey to run into a trap, or hell even buffalo hunters running their prey off a cliff. Alternatively, the Tau might let the Team come to them, letting them wander into a carefully constructed free fire zone and unleashing a hellacious barrage from a kilometer away. In either case, the Tau are unlikely to act in a way that's "fair" to the Kill-Team. They will use tricks and deceit to force the Team to waste ammunition, fuel, and other resources. They will create carefully composed traps and spring them on a hair trigger. One of the ways that you as game-master can use them more "fairly" is for the Tau to act forcefully in ways that render the Kill-Team operationally ineffective if not personally dead. That way the Kill-Team can still "lose" without necessarily ending up dead. When they've been caught flat-footed, they might try to leverage the Team's honor against them, by offering single duels they have no chance of winning to buy time for their comrades. Ultimately, the Tau are just as likely to attack the mission rather than the operatives. Then, when the Kill-Team is defeated, they might present their ultimatums or attempt to negotiate. The only time these aloof aliens will act recklessly are when their leaders are truly at risk, at which point discipline and meticulous planning give way to suicidal aggression.
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Use superior mobility against them. Attack to draw the Kill-team out, then withdraw as soon as they arrive. If they don't take the bait, then the Tau attack succeeds and there's a massive pressure on them to respond next time. If you can force them to be constantly relocating, always having another crisis halfway across the battlefield to respond to, you can deny them downtime they need to recover and reconsider their tactics. They don't need to be dead to lose.
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Also I don't know if the Tau have anything like this already statted, but a Tau sniper team with the pulse equivalent of a long las would be dangerous as hell. You could make that into a neat encounter that's less about killing power and more about just finding the little bastard and closing on him without getting shot or letting him relocate.
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So who wants to ST this behemoth? Let's get an actual tally of who wants to play, and try and set-up a meet at least to discuss settings and any character restrictions, or whatever. The first step would be probably signing up for Roll20 and opening a game. Interested: DreDee2 VanSandman Babe Magnet Dirty_Moses Miruvor Myself More than enough people, I think! Edit: An IRC chat would suffice for set-up. Firstborn fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jun 19, 2013 |
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Okay, sounds awesome. Thanks everyone. Play it subtle, force the Space Marines to think outside of the box and deal with an intellectual threat as well as a physical one. As of now, they've only really fought Pathfinders and Stealth Suits, though I think a surprise Auxiliary attack from Kroot, Vespids, and Humans would shake things up before they realize the Tau tricked them into heading to the wrong planet and launched a full fledged invasion just a planet or two away. But anyway, while I'd love to play pretty much any of the 40k RPG's, I'm already running one in real life and can't see myself running another one. Sorry, but I'll have to be strictly a player if we get something together. Only War, Black Crusade, and Rogue Trader are probably my favorites though. Dre2Dee2 posted:I'd play anything, preferably something with a mechanicus class I think they all have some sort of admech class. Which is of course awesome. e: I'm actually running Deathwatch tonight ironically enough, so I can't set up anything just yet. At least nothing voice required. I can dick around textually via laptop no problem.
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I think it'd be better in text, honestly. Edit: Really, it doesn't even have to be Roll20. It would be an AIM conference or Skype for all I care. We can do rolling by the honor system is rollers don't exist for wherever we end up going. Firstborn fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jun 19, 2013 |
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Hell, I'd be up for a 40k game of some description. I can't do it on Fridays or Sunday nights, though.
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Does anyone here feel comfortable enough being the storyteller for a game? Anybody? In the event that absolutely NOBODY steps up, I will run an Only War campaign, but be warned it'd be my first game as a ST in WH40k. I've run plenty of World of Darkness (old and new) and D&D games, but never WH40k before. I'm very familiar with the lore, that sort of thing, and would probably need a week or so in order to brush up proper on ALL THE RULES. If nobody takes the position before the day is out, I begrudgingly will FOR THE EMP'RAH. Firstborn fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jun 19, 2013 |
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Firstborn posted:Does anyone here feel comfortable enough being the storyteller for a game? Anybody? Two things: 1. Whoever DM's, it's no pressure, really. It isn't so bad, I'll help you out and I'm sure the other players will too. 2. Feel free to run a published adventure path. Doesn't bother me any. On topic: What exactly are the changes to combat that Black Crusade and Only War made? I want to utilize them in the earlier games but every time I try to comb through the books in question to look for differences my eyes fog up and my brain gives out.
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If I ran a campaign, the first one would probably be a pre-generated adventure. I hope that'd be okay with everyone. Just to cut my teeth on. Everytime I've done this, I've always adjusted them in various ways, so it wouldn't be exactly the same, but probably use a lot of the same beats and NPCs and stuff. Edit: It'll be either Only War or Deathwatch, I'm thinking.
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I'd be wiling to join but I'm European so there might be some time zone issues.
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Can you guys hop on IRC so we can talk about scheduling and stuff? irc://ircnet/goonhammer If you don't have it, Chatzilla is an easy one-step add-on to Firefox. Just join when you can, or send me an e-mail. Again, still looking for an ST, but I will run it if we can't find anyone in a pinch. Firstborn fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Jun 20, 2013 |
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Dirty_Moses posted:Two things: Off the top of my head. Several specialized skills were folded into more general ones. You can find a list in any of the core books; Parry is now a skill; Righteous Fury lets you roll 1d5 on the critical table instead of adding 1d10 to the damage; Base attack is +10, so with an aim action you get +20 and a full aim gives you +30; Semi-Auto gives you a -10 malus to hit, Full Auto is -20 (counting from the base +10). This is to make people make a choice between extra potential damage or precision; I think a few things have turned into half-actions instead of full ones, but I can't name one right now; A handful of Talents have changed how they work, but most of them are still the same. Just make sure to double-check them when a player picks one; The Primitive Trait now has a number rating. Instead of doubling the effects of armor they have a cap on their damage; Some weapons have tweaked stats, but that's not necessarily contraditory (and you can use the DH/RT tables), just treat those as different models of the guns. And I think those are all the major changes.
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ZearothK posted:Base attack is +10, so with an aim action you get +20 and a full aim gives you +30; How does this work in practise in Only War? Do people willingly use full-auto weapons, or is it all about best high damage/pen single shot weapons they can get?
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Full auto only works out at being -10 to your BS, and weapons with full auto normally have range enough to remove the problem of range penalties. Then there's a talent for Heavy weapon specialists that allows their comrade to improve their aim, and pinning is more effective with full auto suppression. Pinning can be really important. Of course, it's not like they have the chance to pick weapons very often anyway. You're a grunt, you get what you're given and have to justify every reload.
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jammu posted:How does this work in practise in Only War? Do people willingly use full-auto weapons, or is it all about best high damage/pen single shot weapons they can get? As I understand it, this definitely helps cut out the complete full-auto spam that was kind of characteristic with the original Dark Heresy rules. The biggest issue remains the balancing between normal weapons and anything with the Accurate quality that can grant up to +2d10 more damage. Haven't really run enough scenarios to see how this works out.
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Miruvor posted:As I understand it, this definitely helps cut out the complete full-auto spam that was kind of characteristic with the original Dark Heresy rules. The biggest issue remains the balancing between normal weapons and anything with the Accurate quality that can grant up to +2d10 more damage. Haven't really run enough scenarios to see how this works out. It's still quite powerful. Ratlings in Only War or anyone specialized as a sniper in the other games can reliably instakill most opponents, though they are less useful against hordes and the like. This was something already present in the previous iterations, and it's even stronger with the new ruleset.
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goatface posted:Of course, it's not like they have the chance to pick weapons very often anyway. You're a grunt, you get what you're given and have to justify every reload. Miruvor posted:As I understand it, this definitely helps cut out the complete full-auto spam that was kind of characteristic with the original Dark Heresy rules. The biggest issue remains the balancing between normal weapons and anything with the Accurate quality that can grant up to +2d10 more damage. Haven't really run enough scenarios to see how this works out. Yeah. I'm more familiar with Rogue trader and it's relatively ease of getting the weapon you want. In our RT-group it is a choice between high-end Full Auto & Plasma/melta/H-Weapon.
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ZearothK posted:Base attack is +10, so with an aim action you get +20 and a full aim gives you +30; No offense, but I just want to reword this part because I think the way you said it is a little bit confusing. Single attack gives +10, Semi-auto/Swift Attack has no modifier, and Full Auto/Lightning Attack gives -10. Aiming for a half round gives +10; devoting a full round to aiming is +20. You can aim any attack.
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ZearothK posted:Base attack is +10, so with an aim action you get +20 and a full aim gives you +30; quote:I think a few things have turned into half-actions instead of full ones, but I can't name one right now; Also, as pointed out the changes to Righteous Fury can potentially make things a bit weird. I like the new system a lot better (fun crits!), but it definitely gives Accurate weapons a huge leg up in terms of dealing damage to hard targets. On the other hand, Only War definitely provides some tools to boost damage- with squad support and Hammer of the Emperor Talents you can pretty easily have your humble Lasgun doing something like three shots that do 1d10+13 before adding any damage from variable power setting. edit: Note that the Long Las can get the same bonuses and push its damage up to really high numbers too. The point was more that you can get damage values high enough that multiple shots can put on serious hurt if you're not attacking things with aggressively high T+AB values. Things like the Get Them! sweeping order and Mighty Shot effectively get multiplied over the number of your attacks, so if you'd otherwise be at least doing some damage on a hit you can do equivalent/superior damage with semi- or full-auto weapons. LGD fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jun 20, 2013 |
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